Across the high frontier: a Big Gemini space TL

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Maybe I should put more Lockheed bribery scandals in my TL (more politics would also help - changes are planned, but further down the line, in the 90's and beyond. The space program can really influence politics, it is just a matter of finding connections between the two) :cool:

EDIT: good grief, didn't realized that the Spiegel scandal happened right during the Cuban missile crisis. Talk about a crazy period to live in Germany !

At 9 p.m. on 26 October, its offices in Hamburg, as well as the homes of several journalists, were raided and searched by 36 policemen, who confiscated thousands of documents.[5] Augstein and editors-in-chief Claus Jacobi and Johannes Engel were arrested. The author of the article, Ahlers, who was vacationing in Spain, was arrested in his hotel during the night.
This happened only a day before the height of the Cuban missile crisis when on October 27 Major Rudolph Anderson U-2 was shot down and he was killed. With tensions probably escalating near Berlin, Germany was really, really living interesting days !
 
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Europe in space (12)

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Diagonal to space

July 4, 1976


"Jesus, this is like an idea out of a freakin' James Bond movie !" the American pilot shouted to his french copilot, covering the noise of the Tyne engines.

The French Air Force C-160 Transall had took of from Cayenne airport an hour earlier, and orbited a position out of the coast, trailing a cable between two poles sticking out of the back of the airplane. Their target now quietly swung under a large parachute. The Transall manoeuvered in a collision course trajectory, flew past the parachute, and snagged the payload. The parachute collapsed, with the heavy payload hanging hundreds of feet behind the plane.

"Be ready for the kick in the ass!" the pilot shouted.

"Quoi ? the what ?"

"Le coup de pied dans le cul !" he laughed. His french was improving, after all.

The Transall brutally jerked with the weight. A sergeant in the noisy open cargo bay of the plane started winching in the cable and the rocket bodyit trailed.

They landed the Transall at Cayenne airport without a glitch. The mission had been a success, a tremendous one.

DIAGONAL was the result of a cooperative venture between the French CNES and Lockheed, between Diamant L-17 press-fed stage 1 and Lockheed Agena space tug. Old Diamants had a couple of solid-fuel upper stages now replaced by the Agena. Specific impulse improved enormously, from a low 250 second to 325. Payload to orbit accordingly doubled, up to 500 kg.

Thanks to that superior performance it had been possible to integrate a recovery system within DIAGONAL first stage. As a pressure-fed rocket Diamant Amethyste was very strongly build, enough to withstand a spalshdown into the ocean under a parachute.

The alternative was to snatch the stage midair using a cargo plane. The CNES had been enthusiast about the project but funding was not coming – French President Giscard had made sure every penny flowed into Ariane.

That DIAGONAL second flight marked the end of the Diamant era. The launch pad was gone, and even the Kourou launch base was being mothballed until 1979 and Ariane first flight. There had been a program of job termination or freeze. Lockheed was ready to carry on DIAGONAL alone; their target was the all-solid SCOUT rocket.




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Diagonal Agena second stage reached orbit with little propellant left in the tanks but that was still enough for on orbit testing and manoeuvering of the European space tug.

As for Diamant first stage, it is the only operational pressure-fed rocket in the world - despite Robert Truax best efforts to develop that technology in the United States.

 
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Nice Idea

Actually the DIAGONAL could bring more payload in orbit, if Agena-D use NTO oxidizer instead the red fuming nitric acid.
it make also Agena-D compatible to Diamant launch infrastructure (let's label that as Agena-E)

it would look like Diamant BP4 with bigger upper stage 1.403 meter ø of Améthyste, against 1.5 meter ø of Agena-E

The reuse of Améthyste is possible, empty weight is 2,200 kg or 4,850 LB.
So catch up the rocket stage under it's parachute with aircraft is realistic.
refurnish the Améthyste stage is possible, clean up and replace pressurize cartridge and refuel it.
although the work has to be made in HAZMAT protective suit
like those one (Arianespace engineers fueling ATV with UDMH fuel and NTO oxidizer).
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Thank you for the tip Michel.

the red fuming acid
Red fuming... Every time I read this expression I can't help but thinking about this - red fuming with anger
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More seriously, SpaceX once planned to reuse Falcon 1 first stage before dropping that rocket.
I plan to mix OTL Shuttle SRB reuse with Falcon 9 economic case and apply that to DIAGONAL.

Lockheed will learn to love DIAGONAL in the future - Maxwell Hunter and Ben Rich are on the case.
 
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Battle for the space shuttle (20): the aftermath (3)

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Langley taking the helm - the shuttle dream ain't dead yet

"Advanced space transportation studies have been conducted at the Langley Research Center recently. The Orbit-on-Demand Vehicle Study focused on concepts capable of rapid launch. The Shuttle II study considered concepts with the potential to reduce the cost of transportation to orbit for payloads in the Titan III / 1971 Space Shuttle class.

Eleven design concepts for vertical (V) and horizontal (H) take-off launch-on-demand manned orbital vehicles were examined. Attention was given to up to three stages, Mach numbers, expendable boosters, drop tanks (DT), and storable (S) or cryogenic fuels. All the concepts featured lifting bodies with circular cross-section and most had a 7 ft diam, 15 ft long payload bay as well as a crew compartment.

Preliminary results study are used to identify major technology issues for development of a quick response vehicle. Baring a major technological breakthrough, reasonable vehicles are found to require significant advances in propulsion, structures, materials, and flight mechanics technology. Vehicle concepts using normal growth technology predicted for the 1990s are compromised by expendable hardware or by unmanageable size and complexity.

Operational analyses of the vertical-launch and horizontal-launch takeoff vehicles show that the latter have more inherent operational utility. The supply of liquid hydrogen propellant at alternate sites is a major issue; however, propane may be a viable option for at least one concept. Propellant for orbital maneuvering significantly increases gross weight for many of the concepts. This increase is greater for horizontal-takeoff systems because of their larger orbiters.

Performance requirements and design features of the next generation of manned launch vehicles are discussed. The vehicles will launch within minutes of demand and will have a several-day turnaround time. Launch and landing sites will have minimal facilities. Baseline requirements comprise carriage and return of a 5000 lb, 7 ft diam, 15 ft long payload, a 160 n. mi. polar orbit, a 200 fps on-orbit delt-V capability, provisions for two men for 24 hr, an 1100 n. mi. cross range option, 500 flights/vehicle, land on 10,000 ft runways, and be acceptable passing over populated areas.

A preliminary design study has also been completed for a larger, fully reusable, single-stage-to-orbit transatmospheric vehicle. The specified mission capability was to lift a 20,000 lb payload to low earth orbit. A ground accelerator-assisted horizontal take-off was chosen to increase operational flexibility. The multi-mode propulsion system included the use of air-turborocket, ramjet, scramjet and rocket engines. Weight and performance estimates were obtained for the vehicle. A computer package was developed to perform aerothermodynamic analyses of the propulsion modes throughout the flight environment from take-off to low earth orbit. Results are presented for a semi-optimized trajectory. The analysis indicates that a vehicle of this type has great potential for providing low cost, flexible access to space.
However significant advances are needed in propulsion and fuel systems, lightweight durable structures and airbreathing acceleration engines. Trade-offs have yet to be fully explored among the number of stages and horizontal or vertical take-off.

Single-stage vehicles simplify the logistics whether in H or V configuration. Expendable elements impose higher costs and in some cases reduce all-azimuth launch capabilities. A two-stage H vehicle offers launch offset for the desired orbital plane before firing the rocket engines after take-off and subsonic acceleration. A two-stage fully reusable V form has the second lowest weight of the vehicles studied and an all-azimuth launch capability. Better definition of the prospective mission requirements is needed before choosing among the alternatives.

Deleting hydrogen ?

Hydrogen has a high boil-off rate, an undesirable feature if a space plane is to be hold in a fueled alert status. It is expensive, difficult to store, and not readily available at most locations. For these reasons, some vehicles were designed to use no hydrogen - only systems that used a hydrocarbon fuel and liquid oxygen as an oxidizer were analyzed. The results indicate that hydrogen could be eliminated with a small increase in gross weight, and the dry weight might even decrease slightly.

The possibility of utilizing jet fuel (JP) stored primarily in the wings of hydrogen-fueled single stage to orbit has been evaluated and compared to the performance of all hydrogen-fueled vehicle. Results indicate improvements in performance for a wide range of potential payload sizes, particularly when in-flight refueling of the JP fuel is considered as a means of increasing range and mission flexibility."


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Soviets in space (17)

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Maskirovka



January 1977

Moscow



Moscow, Queen of the Russian land

Built like a rock to stand, proud and devine

Moscow, your golden towers glow

Even through ice and snow, sparkling they shine

(Genghis Kahn – Moscow)



The Maskirovka is working nicely. Serguei Afanasyev smiled at the evident confusion of Western observers. Even their best experts - Charles Vick, Charles Sheldon - were aghast. To make a long story short, they knew very large rockets shot out of Baikonur, but they didn't had a single clue of what was going below the fairing. What Western observers could do was monitoring the payloads trajectories - and the Maskirovka had been set up just to confuse them on this matter.



According to the Western newspapers Afanasyev was reading delightfully, the Soviet had heavy spacecrafts on the Moon and on Mars, running in parallel with Salyut earth orbit platforms.



Missing from the reports was evidently the ongoing MKBS huge space station. And that was the other side of the Maskirovka: Salyut acted as a smoke mirror. Not only Salyut masked its Almaz military twin, it also somewhat hide the MKBS. Skylab heritage meant the future American space station would be send to a 51.6 degree inclination orbit, so Salyut and Almaz were send on a similar orbit, with some modules assembled one by one. The real space station, the MKBS, was to come only in the next decade and it would go into a polar orbit inclined by 98 degree over the equator (although that was not carved in stone yet - 51 degree was a strong possibility)



Western newspapers showed evident signs of anxiety; they described a Soviet space program provided with an unlimited number of N-1s, a program that included space stations in earth orbit and manned lunar landings and a vigorous automated Mars program starting with a big rover, then leapfrogging Viking with a sample return, the two evidently pathfinders to a manned trip to Mars before the end of the century. All this at a time when Ford and that Carter peanut farmer were cutting NASA and the military to the bones.



Welcome to space Potemkine village. Afanasyev thought bitterly.



Yes, they had more N-1s than they needed, but production had been curtailed to vehicle 14L – five giant boosters, no more. Work on them proceded at slow pace, giving the imperialists the illusion the production had never stopped, unlike their Saturn.

Potemkine rockets - how about that ?



And the fears about Moon andMars extended programs were equally laughable. The two camps had somewhat killed each other, taking Mishin with them. Afanasyev had strong doubts about some infernal machination from Ustinov to get ride of Korolev successor. It had been a pathetic scene, happened in the fall of 1973.



"Mishin wants a manned lunar Soyuz together with an automated landing - either an unmanned LK meeting Lunokhod 3, or the same Soyuz picking up samples from a Luna scooper. But the Americans are no longer going to the Moon. They are instead building a space station. And they are flying sophisticated robots to to seek life on Mars. We should use our N-1s for such missions."



In August 1974 the fifth N-1 flight test, the first N-1F, had been a success at least. Vehicle 8L had send an unmanned Soyuz with a LK lander in orbit around the Moon. The LK lander had gently touched down on the lunar surface near the Lunokhod 2 rover, which launch had been delayed by 18 months, swapping launches with the Luna 22 orbiter. All this carefully orchestrated to happen on August 9, 1974, the day when Nixon had left the White House in disgrace.



Lunokhod 2 had actually filmedthe LK descent and touchdown on the lunar surface, a major propaganda coup for the Soviet leadership. Meanwhile the Soyuz returned with high resolution pictures of the lunar surface.



The very successful mission had been the lunar program last gasp; the L3M had been buried with Mishin and the end of Apollo. The LK was good for nothing. After ten years and billions of rubbles spent the Soviet Union had now a manned lunar orbitcapability – for nothing. Worse, Afanasyev thought cynically, they even had enough N-1s left to launch a manned Mars shot. How about that. But if America retreated to low Earth orbit, so would the Soviet Union.



Glushko had been one element in Ustinov conspiracy to get ride of Mishin. The Lavotchkin bureau had been another. But the final nail in the coffin had come from Mishin owns deputies - bastards like Feoktistov had plotted against their own boss. And Mishin had been finally sacked, the L3 buried forever, and USSR had embarked into sampling Mars, with a rover to scout the surface first.



N-1 vehicle 9L had been expended into an automated Mars shot, Afanasyev pet project he had defended at all cost, again for an extremely mixed result. It was a two phases atempt at beating Viking, and another spinoff from the lunar program.



Lavotchkin automated robots had essentially saved Soviet honour against Apollo; some Lunashad brought back samples of lunar soil, others had dumped sophisticated Lunokhod rovers on the surface. In 1970 Afanasyev himself suggested Lavotchkin director Babakin to expend such mission to Mars - rover first, then soil sampling.



Mars, however, was many order of magnitude harder than the Moon. So the size and complexity of the robots grew exponentially, to the point it took a full N-1 to send them to their destination. At a time when every single modest probe the Soviet Union send to Mars failed miserably, trying a full scale sample return bordered on craziness, and Babakin simply refused to try the mission. His premature death in October 1971, however, removed that obstacle.



Arguing that Viking had to be leapfrogged, Afanasyev threw all his power behind the twin Mars missions and the rover was ultimately a go in 1972, with the launch coming five years later. The armada of probes to be send to Mars in 1973 was cut to a pair of landers, and that was not a bad thing since a close examination of the planned orbiters showed defective electronic chips unable to withstand interplanteray space harsh environment. And indeed both Mars 6 and Mars 7 landers failed.



The so-called 4NM was one hell of a monster spacecraft.



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It was a huge 20 ton probe which divided into a 3.6 tons orbiter derived from the earlier Mars probe series, and a 16-ton lander - a mass higher than the Apollo lunar module ! Late December 1976 the 4NM entered the Martian atmosphere with an asymmetrical aerodynamic shield 6.5 meters in diameter during launch and deployed once in the space up to 11 m thanks to an ingenious design consisting of 30 petals. After atmospheric entry angle, the shield fell and the ship landed using just four liquid-fueled rockets. Parachutes had been discarded early on per lack of knowledge about Martian atmopshere density.



And then the Marsokhod would wheel down the martian surface thanks to an inclined ramp. It was a huge machine massing 2610 kg including 200 kg of scientific instruments, mostly located in a cylindrical container on a side. It was powered by an RTG with a thermal power of 5 kW.

Due to the enormous distance, Marsokhod could not piloted by remote control from Earth in near real time as Lunokhods had been, so only a communications session would take place as of one hour, for which it would use a high gain antenna of 1.5 meters in diameter. The average speed of Marsokhod was to be 0.5 to 1 km/h and it was expected that worked one year on the Martian surface, covering about 100 km and obtaining 110 photographic panoramas.



Project 5NM intended at Mars sample return was to follow in 1977, but difficulties had it postponed to the 1979 opportunity.



Late 1976 and after a string of failures touching many subsystems of the giant ship carrying it, the lander - somewhat miraculously - touched down on the surface just in time for the Marsokhodto die as it was wheeling down the ramp. It was not even knew if its wheels ever made contact with the martian dirt. The whole automated Mars program program then collapsed, sending the 5NM sample return into development hell. Most of the 5NM large robot had been build, but it wouldn't be launched and went into storage in a corner of the MIK-112 in Baikonur.



Once again a Soviet Mars probe had been doomed by defective microships. In order to save money they were plated in aluminium, not gold. In turn that make the chips extremely vulnerable to deep space coldness and radiations; the components usually died within six months, the exact time a probe needed to reach Mars. The end result was a bunch of probes dying just as they reached the Red Planet. The Soviet Union had lost many probes that way.



Worse, there had been a very high price to pay. The troubled 4NM / 5NM program had caused a significant delay in Luna 24, the last Soviet mission to bring soil samples from the Moon, as well as contributed to a decision to cancel the launch of the Lunokhod-3 lunar rover and disrupted pre-flight tests of Venera-11 and Venera-12 landers.

In fact the 5NM had dragged on for so long it had put the Venus program in trouble. Roald Sagdyeev at the IKI was screaming like hell, because once again short-sighted political decisions (keep the N-1 flying) had prevailed over rational science planning.



Still, the Americans had been panicked enough to believe a “Mars rover race” had started. Afanasyev smiled at the vision of a pair of unmanned robots racing full bore across the martian landscape, sending rocks and dust flying everywhere. Yes, there had been a kind of mini-race, with the American hastily outfitting their third, backup Viking lander with tank-like tracks so that it could move. Even with the soviet failure, their project remained on track – a truly appropriate word – for a launch in the year 1979, heading for Mangala Vallis. The soviet were doing nothing to alleviate the American fears, clamouring their next step would be the sample mission.



A bitter irony of the Mars rover race was that, in order to tackle Marsokhod, the Viking-rover crash program had killed Pioneer-Venus. Venus, a planet where the Soviet Veneraruled !



We start a rover, they kill their Venus mission to fund another Viking against it; then we talk aloud about Mars sample return just to affraid them further... and in the end we beat them again to Venus, a planet they left to beat us at Mars.



We are making the American crazy.



It was just delightful.



Icing on the cake, to add a little more confusion the Pioneer Venus / Viking rover boondoggle had ultimately clashed with a third major, expensive project: the Space Telescope. The House of representative had starved the telescope first, in 1974; and the next year, as astronomers fought to bring the project back, it had been Pioneer Venus that had suffered the same fate. Needless to say, the planetary scientists and astronomers had been at each other throats. That had been the exact moment when Afanasyev had leaked the Mars 4M Marsokhod into the Pravda, thus to the world.



The Maskirovkawas over, but it had fulfilled it role nicely. All remaining N-1s were carefully mothballed with the pads in stealth mode - pending the launch of the MKBS in the middle of the next decade, of course.



Whoever in the White House at this moment will have one a hell of a surprise.



After years of immobilism, the soviet space program was rolling again, full steam.



Although there would be no new N-1s build, all three upper stages of it - themselves the smaller N-11 booster - would replace the Proton as soon as possible. Around the N-11 would be build a whole new, standardized family of modular rockets burning begnin propellants to replace Protonand Soyuzand Tsyklon. Engines would be a mix of Kuznetsov and Glushko, of small and large.



It suddenly occured to Afanasyev that they could in fact cut the last two N-1s, the 13L and 14L marks, into smaller N-11s. All they had to do was to junk the huge first stage, after removing all of the thirty engines on it. Engines that would go to the smaller rocket, by the way., since they were ground-started.



That way they could still confused the Americans over their superbooster while preparing to replace the Proton. It was one hell of an idea; it would make development of the N-11 smoother and faster altogether.



And if we ever churn N-11s like Soyuz or Protons, the Americans will have some heart attack. They will believe we are mass producing N-1 giant rockets – how funny.



Unfortunately Afanasyev boss Grechko had died a year before, leaving Ustinov sizing control of the military rocket aparatus, crushing both Afanasyev and Chelomei he hated so much. Yet before dying, Grechko had staged an ultimate coup against Ustinov he hated so much: he had managed to convince Glushko that he needed not to cancell Chelomei TKS, because that ship represented a true match to the American Big Gemini, unlike Soyuz that was too small.



Despite his friendship with Ustinov Glushko had happily complied, because the Soyuz belonged to the ennemy design bureau he had failed to control in 1974: the bureau of Korolev, Mishin and Chertok.



The TKS (an ungainly accronym he soon dropped in favor of Zarya) soon become Glushko weapon to control the manned spaceflight program and crush Soyuz. Even the space station program was schizophrenic: Glushko, again, had managed to save the Salyut and Almaz despite the MKBS, turning them into free fliers, backup core modules, and other applications.



Ferocious internal rivalries and confusing Americans: it was just an ordinary year in the Soviet space program.




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Sergey Afanasyev, also known as The Big Hammer - you don't want to mess with that guy, don't you ?
 
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Thank you very much.

No shuttle on the American side means no Soviet Buran, thus no Energia, and a surviving N-1. The fun thing with the N-1 is the host of (crazy) payloads that were tied to it (and OTL, died with it). There was the L3 manned lunar ship of course, the much upgraded L3M (forerunner of the DLB lunar base) but also some other spacecrafts such as a the giant MKBS space station (more on this later) and a Mars program, the 4NM and 5NM.

That what Mishin intented to do at the time he was sacked in 1974 and the N-1 was canned.

A great irony is that (OTL) JPL has fought for 40 years (still, to no avail) to fund and build Mars Sample Return, while the Soviets in the 70's had the political support (Afanasyev) and funding to do it, and it nearly happened. :cool:
 
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Thank you very much.

No shuttle on the American side means no Soviet Buran, thus no Energia, and a surviving N-1. The fun thing with the N-1 is the host of (crazy) payloads that were tied to it (and OTL, died with it). There was the L3 manned lunar ship of course, the much upgraded L3M (forerunner of the DLB lunar base) but also some other spacecrafts such as a the giant MKBS space station (more on this later) and a Mars program, the 4NM and 5NM.

That what Mishin intented to do at the time he was sacked in 1974 and the N-1 was canned.

A great irony is that (OTL) JPL has fought for 40 years (still, to no avail) to fund and build Mars Sample Return, while the Soviets in the 70's had the political support (Afanasyev) and funding to do it, and it nearly happened. :cool:

here in This TL, JPL will be angry, very angry
See in 1960s JPL had Voyager Mars probes program, original small orbiter with Landers who needed Saturn IB with Centaur to get Mars
the Voyager Mars program became a Moloch the Lander became bigger and bigger until got size of Apollo capsule !
in Same time the cost exploded because they needed a Saturn V to launch two Voyager landers to Mars
then in 1967 NASA demanded staggering ten billion dollar (today value) for Voyager Mars probes program and Congress say NO WAY !

Irony, the mission were fly by Viking Mission under Langley and it's rival JLP in 1975
do progress in Electronics the Lander and Orbiter could build much smaller as 1967 Voyager Mars program
and cheaper only 3.5 billion Dollar (today value) for total program, more Viking had to come, but Soviets Mars probes were cursed to fail at Mars and shuttle program ate more and more of NASA budget.

Here in this TL Langley will run to storehouse and pull Viking backup out and start to modify it...
 

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Most people blame the planetary exploration crisis of 1981 on the space shuttle, but that's wrong.

The JPL was given monopoly over planetary exploration (1975) , and new director Bruce Murray (1977) only wanted Viking or Voyager class uber-expensive missions. Reagan OMB Czar David Stockman (1981) cut budget drastically, and most JPL missions were dead on arrival.
Things don't change from OTL
- Murray was bound to succeed Pickering as JPL director
- The Halley debacle won't change either (entirely independant from the shuttle existence or absence - JPL is convinced Halley armada ballistic flyby is not worth because it happens too fast - so let's have a solar sail or electric propulsion to slowdown the flyby - immature technologies that cost an arm and a leg)

ITTL the JPL is equally in trouble, for sure. So is the planetary exploration program, but for different reasons than OTL.

The Mars rover race (with sample return as the next, immediate step) is only beginning, and it will distort ITTL planetary exploration as much as the shuttle troubles OTL.

It will wreck both Soviet AND american planetary exploration programs !
 

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Ok, ok... Damn Elon Musk ! ;)

Let's put things into perspective

I started writting this TL eight years ago, and at the time the Falcon 1 barely flew correctly (in September of that year)

Then SpaceX thrown the Falcon 1 under a bus, and developped the Falcon 9 (from 2008 to 2011).

Then, the Falcon 9 had barely flown, late 2011 they claimed they would recovering the rocket, notably the first stage.

They build Grasshopper and started flying small hops in September 2012.
One more year and only five flights later, they flew F9R Dev 1 across 2013 and 2014 before it self-destructed in August 2014.

Late 2014 they thrown F9R Dev2 under a bus and decided to test high speed / high altitude recovery on operational Falcon 9 flights.

After a string of failures spanning over the year 2015 they landed a Falcon 9 on the solid ground in December, followed by barge landing this April.

From first hop of Grasshoper (40 m high !) to ground-landing in December 2015: slightly more than three years.

And yesterday, only three weeks after recovering a rocket for the second time, SpaceX claimed they would land a Dragon capsule on Mars as early as 2018 !

So why that rant ? become nowadays goddam reality works faster than any alt-history or sci-fi. I have serious trouble trying to keep my fictional pace adjusted to the fast-forward reality (and SpaceX is only the tip of a growing iceberg)
 
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Elon Musk turning the world upside down

with TESLA motors with electric cars who are ultra cool
now aiming for throat of US car industry, who shredder there electric cars protoype in 1993...

With SpaceX with cheap Rocket launch with aim for reuse
now aiming for balls of expensive ULA and Ariane Space

With Hyperloop the supersonic vacuum tube train
putting inflexible Amtrak on site track to the scrap yard

with SolarCity, how is now the second largest provider of solar power systems in the United States

what comes next ?
OpenAI: a not-for-profit artificial intelligence (AI) research company with goal develop artificial general intelligence in a way that is safe and beneficial to humanity !
Musk proposed a VTOL supersonic jet aircraft with electric fan propulsion, aka the Musk electric jet.
and now a long term plan for Colony on Mars.

Why i have sneaking suspicion, that in some years someone artificial sing "daisy, daisy, give me your answer, do" ?
 

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Still a work in progress - I have to find Elon Musk a role in my ATL (probably as Elton Rusk, just for the fun of it), in a world where he doesn't need to re-invent the wheel since cost of space access will drop long before 2015 ITTL. Maybe I will turn him into the first Mars pioneer, through his original "Greenhouse on Mars" concept that got SpaceX started in the first place exactly 15 years ago - May 2001. Musk is born only weeks before the POD (June 1971) and I don't plan to change the paypal breakthrough in any way.
 
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Still a work in progress - I have to find Elon Musk a role in my ATL (probably as Elton Rusk, just for the fun of it), in a world where he doesn't need to re-invent the wheel since cost of space access will drop long before 2015 ITTL. Maybe I will turn him into the first Mars pioneer, through his original "Greenhouse on Mars" concept that got SpaceX started in the first place exactly 15 years ago - May 2001. Musk is born only weeks before the POD (June 1971) and I don't plan to change the paypal breakthrough in any way.

Another strange Irony

Movie Director Stanley Kubrik gabe British company P Frankenstein and Sons Ltd a contract to build Spacesuits for movie 2001: A Space Odyssey
because they build pressure suits and Spacesuits prototype for British Royal Air Force

Now Elon Musk gave contract to Hollywood company Ironhead Studio to build spacesuits for SpaceX
according Jose Fernandez, the founder of Ironhead Studio
Musk really wanted the spacesuits to look stylish and "bad ass", while still remaining practical.

eeh, Ironhead Studio what they do ?

every Suit in Marvel movie (not quite the Ironman suit is from Stan Wilson studio)
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay, Watchmen, Bicentennial Man, Oblivion, Batman vs. Superman, TRON: legacy

a yes also the entire wardrobe of Daft Punk
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source http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iron-man-c...er-makes-spacesuits-spacex-astronauts-1558406
 
Robotic explorers (2)

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Banned
little update on planetary exploration

THE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
- A LOOK AT THE MURRAY YEARS

William Pickering had been the emblematic boss of JL for three decades. His successor was the ebulient Bruce Murray. Murray become boss in 1976 against a triumphant background. JPL had kicked Ames ass as the sole and only NASA center tasked with robotic exploration of the solar system. Voyager and Viking were unmitigated triumphs.

In 1977 a bumbling Murray disclosed what he called the purple pigeons, extremely ambitious robotic missions that would catch the public eyes just like Voyager and Viking did.

The Viking rover was seen as a precursor to Mars sample return, and this was bolstered by the Soviet similar Mars 4NM and 5NM program. The second purple pigeon was a mission to Halley comet in 1986, and there Murray thought big, too. To make a long story short, the Japanese, European and Soviet probes did a ballistic flyby of Halley. But Murray disliked ballistics. He strongly believed that ballistic flybys of Halley were not worth the money. They would just happen too fast – closing velocity was just too high.

A revolutionnary propulsion system was needed to slow done the Halley probe – either electric propulsion or, even better, a solar sail. That belief that ballistic flyby was unworthy become engrained in the JPL psyche, even if experience proved it to be totally wrong. The Euro-Soviet-Japanese Halley armada did a superb job. The JPL belief ultimately proved a disaster, since both electric propulsion and solar sails proved costly and unproven. In the end America send zero probe to Halley.

The combination of the costly Mars rover and the sterile Halley debate proved deadly. The biggest casualty was Venus. In 1974 the Viking rover killed Pioneer-Venus; in 1978 the overly ambitious Halley probe killed VOIR, the Venus Orbiting Imaging Radar.

Another collateral victim of the Viking rover was the Jupiter Orbiter with Probe – JOP, like VOIR, was postponed to the decade of the 80's. Much like the Voyagers and Pioneers before them, the Saturn and Jupiter orbiters Cassini and Galileo become twins. The sheer cost of the two flagships however wrecked the 80's and ensured VOIR was postponed again. Venus become a total loss, even bitter since the Soviet launched a bunch of successful Veneras there.

Then a much less glamourous project by contrast survived against all odds. A joint project between ESA and NASA, the solar probe was approved in 1978, pushing both VOIR and JOP into the 80's. The solar probe was approved in FY79 because ESA involvement made it less expensive at a time when the Mars rover and the overambitious Halley probe devoured NASA budget. Ulysses was launched in 1985 and flew out of the ecliptic. It was a very successfull, if unglamourous, mission.
 
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