Across the high frontier: a Big Gemini space TL

what for Irony
actually this was original concept for Europa rocket the British Blue Streak and French modified Diamant first stage in 1961.
Now in this TL Atlas Little brother get adopt by General Dynamics (GD) and get a Agena upper stage
but there is some issue:

The Engines, can GD keep the RZ2 engine or must replace them YLR-89-7 from Atlas Rocket ?

The Autopilot, the Europa II electric system were junk, bad integration into three stage and susceptible to electrical disturbance.
Here GD and Lockheed (or how ever build this Agena stage) has to build new autopilot

Logistic, next the Blue Streak Stage need GD the production site, tools and engineers, how build the Blue Streak.
mean the Blue streak ist still build in Great Britain or relocation of production site to Canada (less problematic for GD) ?
and Launch site GD offer Cape Canaveral
Archibald, there a option you have overlook for Blue Streak-Agena: Centre Spatial Guyanais Europa II launch pad !
after the end of Europa II flight the site was mothballed, later demolish for Ariane-1 launch Pad in 1977

Now with installation for fueling a Blue Streak and stage wtih UDMH/N2O4 already there, is bargain for canada !
if you adapt the Agena to UDMH/N2O4
and as Bonus Centre Spatial Guyanais near equator get Blue Streak-Agena more payload into GEO

I think that ESRO and French would be interest to launch there Satellite with Blue Streak-Agena into GEO
 
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Archibald

Banned
ITTL Ariane will have harder times than OTL - it may be a casualty (after all, this is an alternate history, so there must be trade-offs).

The Engines, can GD keep the RZ2 engine or must replace them YLR-89-7 from Atlas Rocket ?

AFAIK the RZ-2 was somewhat a licence-build MB-3 as used by Thor, so the GD engineers are on well-known territory.

The Autopilot, the Europa II electric system were junk, bad integration into three stage and susceptible to electrical disturbance.
Here GD and Lockheed (or how ever build this Agena stage) has to build new autopilot

The Agena provived guidance to the rockets it rode.

As for the Europa autopilot, guess who was in charge of the inquiry ? a guy called Lutz Kayser. I plan a different fate for Kayser ITTL (well, with Marshall in serious trouble, a lot of German rocket scientists will have to seek a new job)

General Dynamics bought a lot of things from ESRO at bargain price, and that include toolings and many other things.

Ariane is still on track as per OTL, with the French pushing hard for the L3S. Of course without Spacelab the second package deal, July 1973, will be different.
Ariane trouble will start later, in 1977, when a non-existing shuttle won't kill the excellent Atlas-Centaur for the coming Intelsat V launch contracts.

Former CNES boss Frederic d'Allest recognized it some years ago - Ariane couldn't stand comparison with Atlas-Centaur. We just lacked launch experience. God bless the space shuttle that had Atlas-Centaur pushed by the wayside, just enough to give Ariane some breath. ;)
 
ITTL Ariane will have harder times than OTL - it may be a casualty (after all, this is an alternate history, so there must be trade-offs).

Ariane is still on track as per OTL, with the French pushing hard for the L3S. Of course without Spacelab the second package deal, July 1973, will be different.
Ariane trouble will start later, in 1977, when a non-existing shuttle won't kill the excellent Atlas-Centaur for the coming Intelsat V launch contracts.

Ariane had some trouble, like french President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing just in office, he almost killed the Program, He consider it too big for France...



AFAIK the RZ-2 was somewhat a licence-build MB-3 as used by Thor, so the GD engineers are on well-known territory.

not quite the RZ.2 and RZ.1 was based on US rocket engine Rocketdyne S-3D used on Jupiter rocket.
oh i forgot the S-3D got over worked and simplified, became Rocketdyne H-1 for Saturn IB, what reworked became R-27 for Delta 2000 replacing the MB engines also derivate of S-3D.
yes, the S-3D got complicated family tree

Former CNES boss Frederic d'Allest recognized it some years ago - Ariane couldn't stand comparison with Atlas-Centaur. We just lacked launch experience. God bless the space shuttle that had Atlas-Centaur pushed by the wayside, just enough to give Ariane some breath. ;)

The Shuttle was consider no-plus ultra in Space flight, that Ariane on long run beat it, no one imagine...
USAF had began to terminate the Titan III and Atlas-Centaur and Delta contracts in favor of Space Shuttle until January 1986 change everything.
the gap after destruction of Obiter Challenger was enough to get Arianespace a foot into the door.
 

Archibald

Banned
not quite the RZ.2 and RZ.1 was based on US rocket engine Rocketdyne S-3D used on Jupiter rocket.
oh i forgot the S-3D got over worked and simplified, became Rocketdyne H-1 for Saturn IB, what reworked became R-27 for Delta 2000 replacing the MB engines also derivate of S-3D.
yes, the S-3D got complicated family tree

Amen to that !
 
Soviets in space (8)

Archibald

Banned
November 23 1972

Baikonur, Kazakhstan

The day was cold, with a nasty desert wind carrying dust all over the streets. Natalia Marushkova was in the queue for one and half hour, as usual. She was not even sure there would be anything left in the tate store shelves when she would push the door; maybe she had spent all this time freezing to death for nothing.
She thought about her husband, probably at his post at the cosmodrome. He occupied a low-ranking post, the kind no one cared much. They had come in Kazakhstan fifteen years before, like so many others. Along the years they had witnesses so much launches that they did not cared much about; it was routine all-over. At times however some events reminded them that rocketry was not an ordinary business. Ten years before, a close friend from Natalia had lost its husband in a frightening accident; the second stage of a rocket had fired while the booster was still on the pad, triggering a huge explosion, killing a hundred people. Exact toll had never been known as many workers had been vaporized in the explosion, or their remains dug in a mass grave. More recently the third N-1 had been launched at night, and the ensuing crash had illuminated the steppe kilometres away, like a nuclear blast. Routine all-over, she thought, shivering again.
Today was part of such routine.
The N-1-7L was on the pad. The 4000 tons lunar rocket had been improved; in fact the 7L was an interim step toward the N-1F, the definitive variant of the monster booster.
Natalia heard a loud rumble, and actually felt the earth shaking. Even at distance, she had a glance at the N-1 climbing above the battered apartment blocks she lived in. The rocket trailed a huge pillar of flames and an immense cloud of smoke. Thirty engines fired together, lifting the lunar rocket through the sky.
To Natalia it looks like everything worked fine, at least for the first hundred seconds of flight. First stage separation was only seconds in the future. Such was the design of the N-1 that, to reduce acceleration forces six engines had to be shutdown around 110s in flight. They shut correctly… and, for an unknown reason, an engine detonated. Flames erupted from the rocket side and the doomed booster was destroyed by range safety officer a second later. Natalia saw an immense flash of light, followed by a large explosion. Minutes later, the blast shattered windows of the store, and she actually felt it on its face.
First stage separation actually had happened - two seconds before the explosion, which had nevertheless destroyed the upper stages. The flight was the most successful a N-1 had ever performed so far; massive amount of telemetry had been received before the explosion, a boost for the forthcoming N-1F to be tested in 1974. In fact the 8L and 9L were already in the jigs, and there were great hopes they would work.



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1972: NASA hell of a year (21)

Archibald

Banned
some alt-history within the alt-history

December 20, 1972

With the return of the last Apollo yesterday, it is time to examine the future of NASA manned spaceflight program.

The year 1972 has been memorable, if not chaotic, for many reasons we won't discuss here. 1972 was a landmark year, where NASA destiny was suspended to a host of difficult decisions.

It somewhat started late 1971 with the space shuttle death.

In the future there will certainly be a lot of regrets and speculation over the lost vehicle. It should be reminded that the space shuttle was the last piece that remained from the ambitious Integrated Program Plan imagined by the Space Tak Group in 1969. As such, the shuttle cancellation forced NASA to create an entirely new manned space program from a clean sheet of paper.

After many twists and turns the space station made a spectacular come-back as NASA main project for the next decade.

NASA had to admit a space station could be build without a shuttle. Skylab was no help since it will be launched fully stuffed with anything the crew need. At the end of the day NASA had to imagine a crew and logistic system different from the shuttle. That resulted in a pair of distinct vehicles – Big Gemini and the Agena space tug.

The space station itself went through a serie of mutations; the overall space station design was ultimately frozen as a a 33-ft, S-II based (should we say, Skylab-ized ?) core with Skylab-derived, 23-ft diameter modules.

Both Big Gemini and Agena were picked up only after a fierce selection process that lasted six months. Big Gemini main competitor was obviously Apollo, but there many other interesting vehicles proposed, including lifting bodies.

The space tug was equally the subject of a rigorous competition among aerospace contractors. General Dynamics Centaur and Martin Marietta Transtage were eliminated early because they were just too big and too powerful for the space tug limited new role, that is, a space station module ferry. Lockheed Agena ultimately won a hard-fought selection process. It triumphed from a host of major competitors that are worth a detailed examination.

On one hand was Douglas Delta stage 2. The diminutive rocket body has an interesting feature: its TR-201 engine is nothing less than the plain old Lunar Module descent stage, the first throtteable rocket engine ever.

Facing Douglas was a bold Aerojet proposal. Aerojet engine is called the AJ-10, and it is pretty versatile. Two of them power the big Transtage. Just like the TR-201, the AJ-10 powers Delta second stage. Much like the TR-201 the AJ-10 is of Apollo legacy: it powered Apollo big service module.

Rockwell actually did proposed a modified Apollo service module for the space tug role; but the SM is just too heavy and bulky. It was eliminated along the Transtage and Centaur.

First round of the process had eliminated all solid-fuel candidates such as the Burner II and Star 37. The solids lacked flexibility since they couldn't restart.

Interestingly, just like the TR-201 and AJ-10 the Star 37 was of lunar legacy – it had been used to soft-land the Surveyor lunar probes.

Aerojet decided to bid of the space tug by themselves even if Martin Marietta Transtage and Rockwell Service Module used their AJ-10 too.

Aerojet space tug design cleverly borrowed elements from all three AJ-10-powered space vehicles – Delta stage 2, Transtage and Apollo SM. Somewhat ironically in the final competition Aerojet tug ranked third, well ahead of Martin Marietta and Rockwell bids.

At the end of the day however the Agena most serious competitor was the unnamed Delta stage 2 with its repurposed Lunar Module engine (note: the name Delta Transfer Stage has been proposed)

Many at NASA wanted an AJ-10 or TR-201 powered space tug to preserve a bit of Apollo knowledge. There was another, hidden argument that played against the Agena: its massive and classified utilisation by the National Reconnaissance Office.

Lee Scherer had to delicately weight pros and cons of each side; he had to pick up a space tug among the three finalists. Scherer ultimate choice, announced in late October 1972, was the Agena. It would work in tandem with Big Gemini.

These difficult decisions will certainly results in a lot of speculation in the future – beside of the lost shuttle, obviously.

Whatif NASA had been bold, and had picked up a lifting body design, either the X-24 or the HL-10 ?

Whatif NASA had stuck with Apollo, probably a block III variant with a smaller service module ?

Whatif that Block III Apollo had been paired with one of the three AJ-10 powered space tug bids ?

Whatif NASA had picked the very high performance Centaur as its space tug, and flown missions to a lunar orbit space station ?

Whatif the nuclear shuttle and the “true”, reusable chemical space tug had not been abandonned altogether ?

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Been some time since I last commented here.

From what I read, the N1-7L here lasted about 3 seconds longer than the OTL one, long enough for Block A shutdown/separation and Block B Fire-In-The-Hole Ignition - if still a little too late to save the upper stages. Still, getting the Block B to start at all is a massive improvement seeing as it was something that never happened IOTL.

The N1 as this point was about to be switched from the NK-15 to the NK-33 engines, which marked a serious leap forward for Closed-Cycle LOX/Keresone Engines, having been designed, built, and tested as reusable engines to assure their viability as expendable units.

That said, given by this point the N1 was deemed a failure by many, and that number was growing, plus being an obsolete design AFAIK, there's still no telling if the N1 is able to survive. The odds are certainly completely stacked against it.
 
Europe in space (9)

Archibald

Banned
Excerpt from: A history of the European Space Agency, 1958 - 1987

In spring 1973 the doomed Europa program was continuing its course, somewhat like a beheaded duck. The Blue Streak for the F12 launch was in storage in Kourou. Worse, four more Blue Streak, from F13 to F16, had been build. Two more were only spares.

Discussions over the second package deal were difficult. In the end it boiled down to three major projects: Ariane, the Agena tug, and Marots. At first glance the idea of an Agena tug riding atop an Ariane made a lot of sense.
It had its share of issues, though. Bluntly, the French did not wanted Lockheed or NASA engineers hanging around Ariane pads in Kourou. By the way Ariane timing was all wrong if flight testing of the tug was to be considered. Of course NASA could have flight-tested the Agena using a Delta or an Atlas or a Titan IIIB, but money was tight, as usual. There was no other solution than an interim European rocket.

A vague proposal was made to fly the tug as the second stage of an Europa Blue Streak, perhaps the never-launched F12 booster that rusted in Kourou. The technical and financial aspects, however, were daunting, and a torn in the side of Ariane-huggers. The Blue Streak Agena actually flew, but in Canada.

It was in this context that the idea of flying the space tug as the second stage of Diamant was proposed. The Agena fit the French launcher like a glove. It also solved the issues associated with the Ariane program, while the French national program would somewhat continue on the basis of a partnership with Germany and NASA space tug program. Hence was born DIAGONAL - DIamant - AGena - ONERA - Advanced - Launcher.


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The so-called Second Package Deal was finalized in February 1973 in Brussels, after difficult negotiations and lot of budget bargaining. Rocket launchers were the trickier part. France, Belgium and Germany finally dropped Europa II and Europa III altogether. The L-IIIS – a downscaled Europa III best known as Ariane – become de facto Europe satellite launcher. The now moribund ELDO was to merge with its ESRO nemesis, creating the European Space Agency in the process.

Great Britain Marots communication satellite program was funded, as was Germany involvement in NASA post-Apollo program. The Agena space tug would gradually evolve into a fully-fledged space station logistic vehicle to be launched by France L-IIIS booster. The French had to make that concession: the tug would be tested on a modified Diamant, but growth variants would ultimately fly on the much larger L-IIIS, probably after 1980. The French set drastic conditions for that; the tug on L-IIIS was not a priority and should not interfere with early technical and commercial development of that booster.

Only five years later that rather unflexible position was to change drastically.

In 1977 ESA member states could not agree on funding Ariane past the sixth booster. Another issue was that the European Space Agency by itself had not enough science and telecommunication satellites to "feed" Ariane flight manifest. The creation of Transpace, later Arianespace, by the French, was an answer to that crisis; but there, the proven Atlas Centaur ruled supreme, and commercial payloads were slow to come. Atlas Centaur was a superb, reliable launcher for the Intelsat satellites.

In this context, the French were more than happy to augment Ariane meagre flight manifest with Agena missions funded out of the tug program. In short, the ATV - Automated / Ariane / Agena Transfer Vehicle - supported Ariane at a crucial moment in its existence. Most of preliminary studies had already been done, and Agena integration on Ariane was straightforward.

Most of the Europa rockets that remained in the production line eventually ended in Canada through General Dynamics – despite France General Aubinière best effort to launch the Symphonie satellites with them.

Ironically, had Aubinière efforts paid, they would have undermined France case for the L-IIIS. A former boss of the CNES and the last boss of ELDO, General Aubinière was convinced he could make Europa II reliable enough to risk Symphonie to fly on it. It happened that final cancellation of Europa forced Symphonie to fly on American Delta rockets; but, since that satellite was a competitor to Intelsat, Europe was forgiven any commercial use. It was these harsh conditions that allowed France to convince a reluctant Germany that the L-IIIS was mandatory.
 
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I like the irony of this post

ESA to ponder about use Blue Streak with Agena tug as second stage
exactly was original Idea for European Rocket in 1961, to mate a British Blue Streak with French shorten Diamant stage
but then join germans the project and the third stage began complicated matter

DIAGONAL = DIamant - AGena - ONERA - Advanced - Launcher. LoL

ONERA - stand for Office National d'Etudes et de Recherches Aérospatiales (National office for aerospace study )
ONERA is not an agency for space science and exploration !
But it do wide range of research for space agencies, both CNES in France and the European Space Agency, like wise for the French defense agency or the Airbus Group
like study for future need in Aircrafts or Spacecraft or for scientific research on aerodynamics

by the way
The company Tefal was created by two ONERA engineers, the inventors of the “non-stick pan”.
 

Archibald

Banned
Irony, that's the word. I've plenty of ironical moments like this in my TL. Ironic references to OTL - in Voyage Baxter did the same (a flight-rated Saturn V as a lawn ornment. Can you believe that ?)

The ONERA got involved when the CNES asked them to test aerodynamics of an Agena attached to the Diamant L-17 "Amethyste" first stage. You never known about interactions between stages - just ask Europa II about it.

The reason why I created DIAGONAL are many

First, Agena and Amethyste have the very same (narrow) diameter of 1.50 m (that's an extraordinary coincidence)

Second, because, for all the studies done by Robert Truax, the one and only operationnal pressure-fed launch vehicle in the world, ever, was Diamant L-17.

Third, the ATV (Ariane Transfer Vehicle) can't be ready before 1981 or 1982 because Ariane can't be accelerated. It was fun to attach the Agena on Blue Streak and Diamant.

Btw, Europa was cancelled late April 1973 but the F-12 Blue Streak had already been shipped to Kourou !
The booster was abandonned, then it was sold for scrap. Aparently it ended as a chicken coop in Cayenne ! (just like the N1 stages in Baikonur being used as domes)

Just like Blue Streak - Agena was passed to General Dynamics, DIAGONAL will end in Lockheed hands. CNES won't fly a lot of DIAGONAL because of French President Giscard budget cuts. In fact only a couple of DIAGONAL will be flown from Kourou circa 1976 as space tug flight tests. After that the CNES will sell DIAGONAL to Lockheed at a bargain price, and Lockheed will pitch DIAGONAL against the all-solid SCOUT - with a trick.

OTL Europe was very interested in NASA Shuttle-tug, but in June 1972 NASA brutally withdrawn their offer for many reasons - reusable LOX/LH2 propulsion was too much for Europe, plus the shuttle-tug had military missions.
Here the shuttle-tug is dead, and replaced by an Agena with a much less difficult mission - ferry a space station module from orbital injection to the space station core. No more reusable LH2, no more military missions - Europe is a go.

Lockheed uses their "Starfighter connection" in Germany, Belgium, Italy to build Agenas under licence. Of course that will make things interesting when the Lockheed bribery scandals will be disclosed, in summer 1976...
 
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Pop culture (1) - a different Moonraker

Archibald

Banned
and now... a little alternate pop culture

(I'm no Bainbrin, but that was fun to imagine, and write. Hope you'll enjoy that part. There will be a related part II. I have taken a lot of fun writting ATL pop culture entries.)



in 1969 show-runners Gerry and Sylvia Anderson began production of a new TV series, UFO, Century 21's first full live-action television series. This sci-fi action-adventure series starred American-born actor Ed Bishop (who had also provided the voice of Captain Blue in Captain Scarlet & The Mysterons) as Commander Edward Straker, head of the secret defence organisation SHADO, set up to counter an alien invasion.

UFO was more adult in tone than any of Anderson's puppet series, and mixed Century 21's signature futuristic action-adventure and special effects with serious dramatic elements. UFO was the last series made under the Century 21 Productions banner.

During production of UFO, Gerry Anderson was approached directly by Harry Saltzman (at the time co-producer of the James Bond film series with Albert "Cubby" Broccoli), and was invited to write and produce the next film in the series, which was to be Moonraker.

Collaborating with Tony Barwick to provide the characterisation, whilst he himself focused on the action sequences, Anderson wrote and delivered a treatment to Saltzman, which liked it. After Diamonds are forever release in December 1971 Moonraker become the next James Bond – and the first to feature Roger Moore after Sean Connery refused the role.

Moonraker was released on June 27, 1973.


Below is an excerpt from Gerry Anderson 1970 script


"James, you certainly heard that Hugo Drax made a fortune selling hundreds of its Moonraker rockets in many roles. Moonrakers regularly ferry NASA astronauts to the space station. Other Moonrakers stand as RAF and USAF nuclear-tipped missiles in underground and flying silos."

"Hell; yes, the flying silos. That eight engine 747 remind me of an adventure I had, at a casino, how was it called ?"

A nervous Q interrupted him

"No time for remembrance, 007."

"What did happened ?"

"We lost contact with an air launched Moonraker."

"How can they launch big rockets like that from aircrafts ?" Bond asked.

"Oh, that's not as difficult as it may seem at first glance. They just open the aircraft rear cargo door, then the rocket sprout a parachute that bite the air, and pull the booster out of the aircraft. After that it fell downward engine first, before another parachute straight it. After that they light the engines, and go into orbit !"

"How astute."

Q showed 007 a crappy reconstitution of what happened over the Atlantic ocean.

"We had these information from the CIA; they rapidly recovered the aircraft flight registers. They have a special tracking system that immediately warn them of any hijacking attempt. You can imagine the mess if a nuclear tipped rocket fell into bad hands..."

"well, that what happened isn't it"

"We think the Air Force was infiltrated. Someone evidently hide the hijackers into the Gemini capsule... The massive Boeing you see represents a new breed of 747s, heavily modified for military purposes. That aircraft is essentially a flying missile silo; its flanks house a powerful Moonraker rocket. The idea is apparently that flying the missiles make them less vulnerable than burying them on the ground at a fixed location.

"Last week test, however, was different. The Moonraker in the cargo section was not nuclear-tipped; instead it carried a manned military spacecraft that consisted, fore to aft, of a small Gemini capsule bolted to a pressurised cylinder, a small space station that featured a powerful camera. Manoeuvre by the crew of three in the Gemini, that camera was to take very high resolution photos. The craft was to spend a month in orbit and snap pictures of the Soviet Union or China. That made these two countries evidently nervous, and what happened won't help."

Q took a deep breath.

"The 747 crew reported they prepared to launch, talking with the ground and the Gemini crew. After the section was depressurised the cargo doors opened at the 747 end. And then, suddenly, the Gemini crew went silent." The screen showed the cockpit and the 747 crew evident amazement and terror.

"We have evidence that the Moonraker parachute unexpectedly sprouted out of the cargo bay, biting the thin air and moving the missile out of the aircraft." Shouting in the radio had no result, and suddenly the 747 jolted in the air, evidently alleviated of the rocket 200 tons mass.

"Where is the fucking rocket ?" the pilot shouted. He eyed its terrified copilot

"It came right toward our nose !" the copilot screamed. And indeed a dart suddenly pierced the clouds slightly ahead of the Boeing.

A dart that trailed a huge pillar of flames.

Right on the 747 path.

"Nooooooooooo...." was the last thing heard on the ground as the rocket engines burned through the airliner cockpit, incinerating its crew and sending the 747 into a deadly spin.

Bond face showed no reaction at the awful conclusion of the movie. He just said with a tired look "Here we go again. Nasty villains hijacking rockets, capsules and the poor astronauts flying them. Why does this remind me of another villain ten years ago ?"

Q nodded "You mean Dr No ?" Bond nodded "Himself. Or perhaps Ernst Stavro Blofeld - or both. Imagine a Drax - Blofeld - Dr No axis plotting against civilian spaceflight - Apollo or Soyuz."

Q shivered "An alliance of evil. Well, so far we have no proof that Drax ever met them... James, I want you to investigate Drax Industries, in California..."
 
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Dam i wanna see this version of Moonraker :cool:

On Europa II rocket F12
according German source, the Europa II rocket was complete deliver to Kourou

Now i saw in late 1980s on french TV about Ariane success story,
it feature also footage of Kourou spaceport center entrance view from route de l'espace
in front a large roundabout with Europa II rocket on it (F12 or mockup ?)

now on 2001 satellite photo of Kourou spaceport the roundabout feature not a rocket.
what happen to F12 in those 20 years i don't now

so far i know
F13 ended in German Museum (it feature static test burns ) also several Astris stage in various museums and university.
nearly complete Europa 2 (missing engines) ended up in Belgium on parking lot of Theme park for space.
another complete Europa 2 so pose to be in London Museum of technology (unclear information)
a complet Blue Streak hangs with Thor rocket in National Space center at Leicester.
another Blue Streak is on display at National Museum of Flight, Scottland
remains of Europa program is shatter over Britain, Belgium, France Germany and Kourou.
 

Archibald

Banned
The F12 blue streak was shipped to Kourou early in the month of April 1973, only to have the Europa II program cancelled on April 27. It would have been too costly to bring the Blue Streak back in Europe, so it remained in Kourou.

Gerry Anderson involvement in Moonraker is straight out of Wikipedia. There is also an entry about the Ian Fleming novel of the same name that was written in 1955 at a time when "Space Shuttle" didn't mean anything.
Flemming's Moonraker involves a nuclear V2, and I thought the lack of shuttle meant ITTL Moonraker movie could stay closer from the novel.

Since I've seen Moonraker as a kid, my teeth cringe at the shuttle hijacking utter siliness - when the Moonraker lift off from the back of the 747 carrier.

DAMN IT, THE GODDAM SHUTTLE LACKS THE EXTERNAL TANK, SO THE SSME ARE RUNNING ON WHAT FUEL ? :mad: FAIRY DUST ROCKET PROPELLANT ?
 
Since I've seen Moonraker as a kid, my teeth cringe at the shuttle hijacking utter siliness - when the Moonraker lift off from the back of the 747 carrier.

DAMN IT, THE GODDAM SHUTTLE LACKS THE EXTERNAL TANK, SO THE SSME ARE RUNNING ON WHAT FUEL ? :mad: FAIRY DUST ROCKET PROPELLANT ?

The biggest flaw in movie, despite that Derek Meddings and his miniatures team create best Shuttle launch scenes, bevor the Real thing was launched :D
All this with a Airifix Shuttle models attached to bottle rockets with signal flares and salt...
 

Archibald

Banned
I don't know much of James Bond so I checked Wikipedia. I see what you mean -
An American NASA spacecraft is hijacked from orbit by an unidentified spacecraft. The U.S. suspect it to be the work of the Soviets, but the British suspect Japanese involvement since the spacecraft landed in the Sea of Japan.
I was thinking about Dr No because of this

whether it is related to his co-operation with the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) on a case involving the disruption of rocket launches from Cape Canaveral by radio jamming.
Didn't realised how much James Bond was connected to the space race (besides Moonraker), one way or another.

I might retcon the thing a little (provided this forum allow myself to do so)

DONE - check the last entry ;)
 
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Operation Harvest Moon (2)

Archibald

Banned
Hippies on the Moon - with Apollo (four decades before Golden Spike)


PEOPLE WANT TO GET OUT OF THIS WORLD


February 20, 1973

The new pro-space movement that emerged in the mid and late-1970s was woven together from many threads. One was first expressed in organizational terms by a small, idealistic group called the Committee for the Future (CFF). While it never had much direct influence, the CFF enunciated many of the themes taken up later by other pro-space individuals and organizations.



The CFF originated from conversations in the early 1960s between artist-philosopher Earl Hubbard and his wife Barbara Marx Hubbard (an heiress to the Marx toy-making fortune) and from Ms. Hubbard's own search for meaning, described in her book The Hunger of Eve. In February 1962 just as she started her scan through literature, looking for the crucial self-image of humanity, John Glenn was fired into space from Cape Canaveral.



Barbara and Earl became passionate advocates of the idea that the Space Age was the birth of a new era. While some humans would be attracted to nurturing and bringing harmony to the Earth, she wrote later, others would go beyond the Earth to build new worlds and to be transformed into new beings.

July 20, 1969, the date of the first Moon landing, also was the publication date of Earl's book The Search is On, in which he argued that it was time to move toward goals beyond material abundance.



We must want to build a future for all Mankind, he argued, by exploring the universe and by developing new worlds. In September 1969, the Hubbards discovered a fellow believer in Colonel John Whiteside, then the chief US Air Force Information Officer in New York City. By 1970 they had decided to try and get a Presidential candidate in the 1976 campaign to endorse the goal of building the first "space community."



The Hubbards, Whiteside, and a small group of friends met in June 1970 at the Hubbard home in Lakeville, Connecticut to found the Committee for the Future. There they produced the "Lakeville Charter," which said in part, Earth-bound history has ended. Universal history has begun. Mankind has been born into an environment of immeasurable possibilities. We, the Committee for the Future, believe that the long-range goal for Mankind should be to seek and settle new worlds. To survive and realize the common aspiration of all people for a future of unlimited opportunity, this generation must begin now to find the means of converting the planets into life support systems for the race of Man.





In the fall of 1970, Los Angeles film producer George van Valkenberg pointed out to the Hubbards that two Saturn V rockets would be left over from the Apollo program. The CFF leaders came up with the idea of the first "citizen-sponsored lunar expedition," which could pay for itself through the sale of lunar materials and television and story rights; there could be a general subscription to let the public participate in financing the project.



This came to be known as Project Harvest Moon.



The CFF formed the New Worlds Company in January 1971 with the help of $25,000 from Barbara's father. The purpose was to rally support for the next great goal: a lunar community. This would help generate popular pressure for the funding of the necessary intermediate steps such as the Space Shuttle. Through the offering of shares in the lunar enterprise to millions of people, a constituency with a vested interest in the development of the Moon and outer space activities would be created.



Barbara Marx Hubbard and John Whiteside briefed space program officials about the proposal. According to Barbara, Christopher Kraft of the Johnson Space Center said, "This step into the universe is a religion and I'm a member of it". In the House of Representatives, Congressman Olin Teague introduced a resolution calling for a study of the feasibility of a citizens lunar mission.



The Committee for the Future chairman is Joseph S. Bleymaier, a retired U.S. Air Force general who a few years ago played an important role in the development of U.S. military missile and space programs. In the 60's Major General Joseph Sylvester Bleymaier was deputy director of the Manned Orbiting Laboratory Program, Office of the Secretary of the Air Force. He also headed the MOL Systems Office located at Headquarters Air Force Systems Command's Space and Missile Systems Organization, Los Angeles Air Force Station, California.





General Bleymaier was born in Austin, Texas in 1915.

After graduating from the Air Command and Staff College at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., in 1950, General Bleymaier became assistant director, Command Support Division, Deputy for Development, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.



General Bleymaier graduated from the Air War College, Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., while assigned to Headquarters Air Research and Development Command, Baltimore, Md. He then became assistant director of astronautics and remained with Headquarters ARDC until October 1958, when he was reassigned to Headquarters Air Force Ballistic Missile Division, Los Angeles, Calif.

As assistant for subsystems development and deputy commander for ballistic missiles, General Bleymaier was responsible for the development and integration of propulsion, guidance and reentry vehicle subsystems which were components of the Air Force Atlas, Titan and Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missiles.



In April 1961, Bleymaier was designated deputy for Launch Vehicles Space Systems Division, Los Angeles, Calif., and in November activities under his jurisdiction included the development, procurement and production of standard launch facilities to meet national space program requirements. He was further responsible for the Air Force portion of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration Ranger and Mercury programs and the Navy navigation satellite program.



General Bleymaier became system program director for the Air Force Program 624A - The Titan III, and 623A - Large Solid Motor Development. In this position, he was executive manager of the research and development program to provide the United States military establishment with a standardized space launch system having an initial liftoff thrust in excess of two million pounds.



General Bleymaier assumed responsibilities as deputy commander for manned systems at the SSD in March 1963. While in this position he was cited by President Johnson for his contributions to the Defense Cost Reduction Program during 1965. Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, referred to this program as the "best managed program in the Department of Defense."



In October 1965, General Bleymaier was assigned as commander, Air Force Western Test Range, with headquarters at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif. As commander, he was responsible for the maintenance, operations and modification, as needed, of the western portion of the global range in support of Department of Defense, National Aeronautics and Space Administration and other range users' programs as directed by the National Range Division and consistent with established national policies and priorities.



General Bleymaier's promotion to major general became effective in April 1967 and on July 1, he assumed his present position as deputy director of the MOL Systems Office at SAMSO Headquarters on July 1, 1967.

He retired from the Air Force in 1969 and the next year he become Chairman of the Hubbard's Committee For the Future.



The committee's headquarters is at Lakeville, Connecticut. Harvest Moon would require little or no money from the federal government, committee witnesses have made it clear to a House subcommittee on Manned Space Flight that would come from individuals and organizations all over the world.



Gen. Bleymaier and his associates have asked the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to donate surplus Apollo lunar exploration equipment and simply astronauts to man the Harvest Moon mission. If the space agency should agree to these proposals, they would have to be cleared first with Congress.



Truth be told Gen. Bleymaier takes a realistic view of the committee's chances, for he has dealt over the years with the committees of Congress and many of the federal agencies they oversee. But he thinks it's worth a vigorous try.



The committee describes Harvest Moon as a "worldwide citizen-sponsored lunar expedition to begin experiments as to the utility of the moon for man." The mission would involve a manned lunar landing at Hadley-Apennine. the touchdown site last year of the Apollo 15 astronauts. Some of the equipment left behind by the Apollo la spacemen might be used for Harvest Moon, but it envisions a whole set of new experiments as well.



John J. Whiteside, executive director of the committee, says he and other organization representatives will tour the world in April (1972) to outline the committee goals during visits to Britain. Germany, France, Italy and Japan. The group is seeking permission to visit the Soviet Union as well. Perhaps Harvest Moon will get off the ground, perhaps not.



But, as Gen. Bleymaier says, nobody can fault the Committee for the Future for trying to find new ways to unite people and nations, especially since nobody is having much luck doing it so far. And if Harvest Moon gets off the ground, so much the better. You can't stop the world and get off, but Harvest Moon or something like it someday might give the adventurous a chance to find out if the satellite moon is any improvement over its planet Earth -- at bale or no expense to the taxpayers. That in itself would be unusual.



On 28 sept. 1972 John J. Whiteside, executive director of the committee, said the original project was scrapped after a July 18 meeting with NASA officials who were skeptical about the possibility of flying a lunar mission after Apollo 17. He said there would only be one lunar lander left and it had been partially cannibalized, making a mission in it highly risky





While the committee has not asked the Russian government to sell it a rocket, reaction to the project during discussions in the Soviet Union was "not unfavorable," Whiteside said.



The project might sound like pie in the sky, but people of wealth and repute are involved. A prime mover in the committee is Mrs. Barbara Marx Hubbard, its organizing director and daughter of toy millionaire Louis Marx, who she said acts as the committee's elder statesman and adviser. For the record, Louis Marx retired in 1972, selling his company to Quaker Oats for $54 million.



The Committee for the Future wants to buy a rocket from the United States or Russia and launch its own space mission, funded and backed by private individuals from all over the world.



Plans for the flight of “Mankind One” were discussed Wednesday at a news conference by four committee spokesmen, including science fiction writer Ray Bradbury. Others on the committee are Dr. Harold W. Ritchey, board chairman of Thiokol Chemical Corp. and John Yardley, vice president of McDonnell-Douglas.Thiokol and McDonnell Douglas are both in the aerospace field.



The original plan had been to launch a private flight to the moon, and pay tor it by selling moon rocks and selling them on Earth, said John J. Whiteside, committee executive director.



But he said last June (1972) NASA officials cast cold water on that idea, saying only one moonship would remain after the mission of Apollo 17, and that one had been cannibalized for spare parts, making it a risky craft for a space voyage.



The committee is now thinking along the lines of an orbital mission, perhaps with a Skylab type of ship equipped with a giant illuminator, that would reflect sunlight, about ‘ a sixth as much as the moon, on night- darkened areas of the world



Whiteside said the committee has sent: representatives to the Soviet Union, and while it hasn’t asked the Russians to sell it any spacecraft yet the discussions to date have been “not unfavorable.



CFF then rewrote the bill to propose a “citizens in space” mission in Earth orbit, called “Mankind One,” but NASA opposed that as well and it met a similar fate.



Mankind One would have been one hell of a mission.



Mankind One was the brainchild of famous German rocket scientist Kraft Ehricke, another acointance of Barbara Marx Hubbard. Ehricke was Executive Advisor in the Space Division of North American Rockwell Corporation. In May 1972 as Project Harvest Moon was quashed by NASA as unrealistic, Ehricke presented the Committee For the Future a new mission.



(note: the following is from David Portree Beyond Apollo blog)



Ehricke proposed that Apollo 17, scheduled for the end of 1972, be postponed until the U.S. Bicentennial in 1976 and dispatched to a new destination: a geosynchronous orbit (GSO) 22,300 miles above the Earth. An object in a GSO requires one day to complete one revolution of the Earth. Since Earth revolves in one day, an object in equatorial GSO appears to hang over one spot on the equator.



“The mission into geosynchronous orbit,” Ehricke wrote, would provide “additional return on America’s investment in Apollo” by dramatizing “the usefulness of manned orbital activities.” He added that his proposal, which he dubbed Destination Mankind, “would inspire many, as did the lunar missions before it, but in a different, perhaps more direct manner, because of its greater relevance to some of the most pressing problems of our time.”



Ehricke described a representative 12-day Destination Mankind mission. Reaching GSO would require about as much energy as reaching lunar orbit. The three-stage Destination Mankind Apollo Saturn V rocket would lift off from Launch Complex 39 at Kennedy Space Center, Florida, at about 8:30 p.m. local time. Following first and second stage operation, the S-IVB third stage would fire briefly to place itself, the Apollo Command and Service Module (CSM), and a Payload Module (PM) into 100-nautical-mile parking orbit. One orbital revolution (about 90 minutes) later, the S-IVB would ignite again for Transynchronous Injection (TSI). After S-IVB shutdown, the astronauts would separate the CSM and turn it 180° to dock with the PM, which would be attached to the top of the S-IVB in place of the Apollo Lunar Module (LM). They would then extract the PM, maneuver away from the S-IVB, and settle in for the 5.2-hour coast to GSO.



The Destination Mankind CSM would ignite its Service Propulsion System (SPS) engine to enter a GSO at 31° east longitude. This would place it over the equatorial nation of Uganda – if the CSM entered an equatorial GSO. The mission’s GSO would, however, be inclined 28.5° relative to Earth’s equator, so the CSM would oscillate between 28.5° south latitude (over South Africa’s east coast) and 28.5° north latitude (southwest of Cairo) and back every 24 hours.



The CSM would reach its southern limit at 10 a.m. local time and its northern limit at 10 p.m. local time. This 57°-long stretch of the 31° east longitude line would constitute Destination Mankind’s “Afro-Eurasian Station.” (The Meteosat-2 image at the top of this post approximates the view from Destination Mankind’s Afro-Eurasian Station.)



Destination Mankind mission objectives would fall into three general areas: science, technology, and public relations.



Science objectives would draw upon an Apollo Geosynchronous Scientific Experiment Package (AGSEP) carried in the PM. The crew might assess the astronomical value of a GSO observatory, perform high-energy particle experiments, and observe and image the Earth. At the Afro-Eurasian Station, the astronauts could view Africa, Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, and India. Earth imaging and observation might be conducted in collaboration with observers at “ground truth” sites on land and on ships at sea.



Ehricke placed the most emphasis on the technology objectives of his Destination Mankind mission. He was particularly enamored of a solar illumination experiment using a circular reflector assembled by spacewalking astronauts. The experiment would provide reference data for design and operation of future space-based reflectors, he explained. He calculated that a 100-meter reflector in GSO could light Earth’s surface one-tenth as brightly as a full moon in a selected area. This level of illumination, though “subvisual,” would be useful for night meteorology and surveillance of border and coastal areas, Ehricke wrote.



Ehricke also rated “Public Exposure” as an important mission objective. Destination Mankind astronauts would become TV stars. They would describe their Earth observations – “especially aspects useful and of interest to regional populations” – via TV broadcasts from space. Their spacewalks would also make good TV fare. In addition, the astronauts would erect “Manstar,” a 500-to-700-foot-diameter reflective balloon visible over a wide area of Earth’s surface as a modestly bright star. Ehricke called Manstar “a visible manifestation for all mankind of the potential value of space.”



The Destination Mankind CSM and PM would remain at the Afro-Eurasian Station for an unspecified period (perhaps two days), then the astronauts would fire the CSM’s SPS to climb to a slightly higher orbit and begin a two-day “drift” westward across the Atlantic to their Panamerican-Pacific Station.

Upon reaching their new station, located at 90° west longitude, the crew would fire the SPS to lower their orbit and halt their drift. The CSM and PM would oscillate between 28.5° south (over the Pacific off northern Chile) and 28.5° north (over the Gulf of Mexico south of New Orleans), again reaching the southern limit at 10 a.m. local time and the northern limit at 10 p.m. local time. Equatorial crossing would occur above the Galapagos Islands. The astronauts would spend their time much as they did at the Afro-Eurasian Station, then would fire the SPS again to drift westward across the Pacific.



The last stop on the Destination Mankind crew’s world tour would be the 98° east longitude line, which Ehricke dubbed the Australo-Asian Station. They would reach the north point in their south-north oscillation over southern China and the south point over the east Indian Ocean west of Perth. Near the end of their stay at the Australo-Asian Station, they would discard the PM.



The Destination Mankind crew would return to Earth from the Australo-Asian Station. They would perform a Trans-Earth Injection burn as their CSM crossed the equator near Sumatra moving north at 4 p.m. local time. Fall to Earth would last 5.2 hours, and splashdown would occur in the Pacific west of Hawaii at just after 6 a.m. local time.



Unfortunately Mankind One was dead on arrival; just like Harvest Moon it was too complicated for the CFF to handle.



Meanwhile, things were changing in the CFF, which moved its headquarters to Philadelphia. Its emphasis began to shift away from space and toward other issues. A gap grew between Barbara and Earl Hubbard, who separated. Although Earl gradually dropped out of the CFF, he went on to publish another book called The Need for New Worlds, which elaborated on themes in his earlier work.



In the second-half of 1973, the CFF opened its new headquarters in a mansion known as "Greystone" (which was owned by Barbara's sister Jacqueline) in Washington, D.C., and called it the New Worlds Training and Education Center. However, the CFF gradually de-emphasized the space theme, giving more time to other future-oriented issues.



That last event by itself had General Bleymaier drop out of the CFF. The former Air Force general went his own way. From his days at the CFF he derived a master plan he shared with a young space activist with the name of George Koopman. Together they shaped a new venture that drew some inspiration from the earlier CFF space plans – but they got ride of all of Barbara Marx Hubbard hippy, mystical rethoric.
 
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