Give Adrian VI a longer pontificate, IOTL he died aged 64, he may have been staunchly opposed to Luthers reformation, but was a strong proponent of church reform from within / top down.
Exactly. It's been tried many times. But once the pious reformers get into power, power corrupts them. That's the problem with a massive all powerful monopoly, it's so tough to keep it clean.Wasn't the Church reformed multiple times? The Cluniacs, Gregory the Great, the Jesuits, etc. were all reformers working within the Catholic Church.
Wasn't the Church reformed multiple times? The Cluniacs, Gregory the Great, the Jesuits, etc. were all reformers working within the Catholic Church.
Could we then see the conciliar idea that was suggested at the resolution of the last schism where there were 3 rival popes in the end?Give Adrian VI a longer pontificate, IOTL he died aged 64, he may have been staunchly opposed to Luthers reformation, but was a strong proponent of church reform from within / top down.
I don't think that's really a fair appraisal- the Catholic Church was a thousand-year-old organization by the time of the Reformation- the fact that it held together for so long is better proof that it was flexible enough to change with the times than that it was some perpetually corrupt, hidebound institution.Exactly. It's been tried many times. But once the pious reformers get into power, power corrupts them. That's the problem with a massive all powerful monopoly, it's so tough to keep it clean.
Can I get a source on the Parrot? Not that I don't believe you but I want to show other peopleAnd then we get to everyone’s favorite part, the corruption. It’s important to remember that bishops and cardinals and popes were usually second or third sons of Royal or ducal families and used to living like that, so they fleeced their offices for the funds needed to run extravagant courts. I... I don’t even know where to begin to describe some of the extravagances. To give at least one small example though, the cardinal who briefly was a patron for Leonardo da Vinci spent a sum of money equivalent to one year of the artist’s salary on a parrot that could recite the Apostle’s Creed.
It was a major, epic mess and it’s a miracle that even some of it got sorted out at Trent and by the reformers.
Can I get a source on the Parrot? Not that I don't believe you but I want to show other people
Did the Eastern Church become as corrupt as the Western? If not then preventing the Patriarch of Rome from becoming sole authority in the West could help.
Can I get a source on the Parrot? Not that I don't believe you but I want to show other people