Absolute French victory in the Spanish succession war .What happens next ?

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Will we see a new Super France (With Spain) .
Also, will France get Genoa, Milan and Sardinia .
That would be awesome .
 
Title .

Will we see a new Super France (With Spain) .
Also, will France get Genoa, Milan and Sardinia .
That would be awesome .

Spain retains Gibraltar, Naples and modern day Belgium.


Philip V remains king of Spain. Louis XV remains king of France.

That's it.
 
The Netherlands could maybe go to france as Philip V older brother is the senior heir after their father France could also get the phillipine as they think it was one of their goal for the war.
 
Won't he inherit France and Spain both ?

Louis XV was ahead of him in the succession. But Louis was only five years old at his accession, so Philip would have been his rightful heir at the time, had he not renounced his rights to the French succession in the peace of Utrecht. (Of course, once Louis had children they moved ahead in the succession.)
 
Title .

Will we see a new Super France (With Spain) .
Also, will France get Genoa, Milan and Sardinia .
That would be awesome .

No super France. Louis XIV never intended to have the same heir as king of France of Spain. He was too aware that it was not possible. This was not only a matter of foreign opposition but resulted to what had been the relations between France and Spain for the 2 previous centuries. They had been arch-enemies and Spain was a world power that ruled the biggest world empire.

But France will be able to get Piedmont, Genoa, retain Lorraine once and for all, and to have Bourbon Spain give it the « Spanish » Netherlands as a repayment for its political and military support during the war of Spanish succession to secure Philip of Bourbon Anjou access to the Spanish possessions.

And probably a few minor arrangements at the expense of the United Provinces : Dutch Brabant.
 
No super France. Louis XIV never intended to have the same heir as king of France of Spain. He was too aware that it was not possible. This was not only a matter of foreign opposition but resulted to what had been the relations between France and Spain for the 2 previous centuries. They had been arch-enemies and Spain was a world power that ruled the biggest world empire.

But France will be able to get Piedmont, Genoa, retain Lorraine once and for all, and to have Bourbon Spain give it the « Spanish » Netherlands as a repayment for its political and military support during the war of Spanish succession to secure Philip of Bourbon Anjou access to the Spanish possessions.

And probably a few minor arrangements at the expense of the United Provinces : Dutch Brabant.

Sounds quite reasonable to me. Now, what would be the way for France to achieve a complete and, preferably fast victory? Propose a single change in the earlier actions of Louis or any other relevant ruler which would guarantee (or almost guarantee) a favorable outcome for France while not removing any of the participating countries from the list. ;)
 
Sounds quite reasonable to me. Now, what would be the way for France to achieve a complete and, preferably fast victory? Propose a single change in the earlier actions of Louis or any other relevant ruler which would guarantee (or almost guarantee) a favorable outcome for France while not removing any of the participating countries from the list. ;)

Not an action but a personal factor.

Just have France have the best or the 2 best generals of the time. Some kind of previous avatar of Napoleon which would completely outsmart John Churchill and prince Eugene.
 
Not an action but a personal factor.

Just have France have the best or the 2 best generals of the time. Some kind of previous avatar of Napoleon which would completely outsmart John Churchill and prince Eugene.

Very close but too complicated and not something that Louis could do differently. :)

He would not need any miracle or avatar, the only thing he had to do was, to grant in February 1683 a very modest request by the "little abbot of Savoy" to grand him command of a company in French service. As a result, by 1700 he would have on his service 3 of the best European generals: Prince Eugene, Villars and Duke of Vendome.

The opposite side would have only Marlborough (who in all major battles had Eugene as his second in command) and, on the top of the above, Austrian army, which in OTL was not falling apart (as a result of not being paid) to a great degree due to the personal prestige of Eugene, may not even be operational.
 
Very close but too complicated and not something that Louis could do differently. :)

He would not need any miracle or avatar, the only thing he had to do was, to grant in February 1683 a very modest request by the "little abbot of Savoy" to grand him command of a company in French service. As a result, by 1700 he would have on his service 3 of the best European generals: Prince Eugene, Villars and Duke of Vendome.

The opposite side would have only Marlborough (who in all major battles had Eugene as his second in command) and, on the top of the above, Austrian army, which in OTL was not falling apart (as a result of not being paid) to a great degree due to the personal prestige of Eugene, may not even be operational.

Ok. I buy it.
 
Eugene was important in a couple of battles with the Turks in a couple of wars, so Austria might very well not be in much shape to prosecute in the nine years war or advocate the WoSS. You may end up with butterflies that alter the scope or occurrence of WoSS. Alternatively, he may end up buried in obscurity in the French Army, so you can't automatically project him to a great credit on France's account sheet.
 
Eugene was important in a couple of battles with the Turks in a couple of wars,

He was commanding the armies and winning the wars that gave Austria considerable chunks of the territory (more than can be said about Marlborough).
His victory at Zenta forced the Ottomans to sue for peace and made Hapsburgs free for the future war.
During the WoSS his victory at Turin guaranteed Austrian possession of the Northern Italy and in all major battles he was Marlborough 2nd in command (not because Marlborough was noticeably better or had a greater reputation when WoSS started but because the Brits had money and the Hapsburgs did not). Not to mention that during that war the Hapsburg's army remained a fighting force to a great degree due to Eugene's popularity among the troops (it is rather difficult to keep an army in the fighting shape when you are not paying it).

so Austria might very well not be in much shape to prosecute in the nine years war or advocate the WoSS.

Yes, a trifle which means that Louis is winning without a shot being fired. :)

You may end up with butterflies that alter the scope or occurrence of WoSS. Alternatively, he may end up buried in obscurity in the French Army, so you can't automatically project him to a great credit on France's account sheet.

Of course, there is always a possibility of him dying earlier (in which case Austria still loses) but there is a VERY GOOD chance that, if not being killed, he would make all the way to the top, like Villars (not a very impressive social background comparing to Eugene's, raised exclusively due to his merits): of course, Louis was a prick but he could recognize and value the talents.
 
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Was Piedmont part of the Spanish inheritance, or does France simply take it as right of conquest?

It is an independent state (Duchy of Savoy) but its ruler is proved to be a little bit too "flexible" for his own good (switched from France to the Grand Alliance in 1703). In the best/worst case scenario, he can be compensated with Sardinia.
 
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