Abraham Religion Stays United

Basically, there's always JUST Judaism, and people like Jesus just add to the original religion, rather than creating a new. Possible? Or ASB?
 
Basically, there's always JUST Judaism, and people like Jesus just add to the original religion, rather than creating a new. Possible? Or ASB?

This would require either the total conversion of Judaism into Christianity (i.e. all Jews accept him as Savior at some point) or Jesus being nothing more than a new prophet (one who encourages the conversion of gentiles to Judaism, and who advocated a more lenient interpretation of Mosaic law).

The first is more difficult than the second.
 
(i.e. all Jews accept him as Savior at some point) or Jesus being nothing more than a new prophet (one who encourages the conversion of gentiles to Judaism)

I was always under the impression that it was the Apostle Paul that was ultimately instrumental in turning Christianity from a largely fringe or heretical (depending on what side of the fence you're on) Judaic sect that had a following among Semitic peoples into one in which converting gentiles became instrumental?

and who advocated a more lenient interpretation of Mosaic law.
That would be a logical course to start upon when converting people who had no idea of Jewish norms, customs nor wanted anything to do with them.

This topic seems very similar in premise to another without the predetermined goals. I think similar considerations need to be contemplated for both. I would also think a religion that advocates the principles of carrying the law and one which emphasizes on caring for a particular tribe within a specific geographic location according to scripture. It would be hard to advocate expanding borders or have some kind of ambition of conquest any larger then what is convenient that much unless one happens to already have a huge population base to create a desire for conquest. All this would mean something would mean an ATL starting before the Roman Empire. Also the fact that Judiasm is judged maternally also creates other social issues for such an endeavor.
 
I think the split in the Abrahamic religions have something to do with Judaism not being a Prosetylizing religion.
 
IIRC, Christianity originally was just a sect of Judaism, which gradually splintered away to form it's own thing, about the time the Book of John was written.

You could have the Jesus-followers remain a sect of Judaism, but in such a case you would still have a splintered Abrahamic-ism, with sects like the Samaritans, et al. I don't think it would be possible to really have Abrahamic religions totally unified..
 
I was always under the impression that it was the Apostle Paul that was ultimately instrumental in turning Christianity from a largely fringe or heretical (depending on what side of the fence you're on) Judaic sect that had a following among Semitic peoples into one in which converting gentiles became instrumental?

Pretty much. Without Paul, Christianity remains a sect of Judaism that, with a lot of luck, could persuade Jewish high priests that newly-converted gentiles don't have to follow laws like circumcision (their children might still need it), and that the end-goal of Doing Good trumps Keeping the Sabbath. Paul really emphasized the Savior on the Cross aspect of Jesus, the one that emphasized how important it was that God Himself died for us. Peter and the others didn't, really.

That would be a logical course to start upon when converting people who had no idea of Jewish norms, customs nor wanted anything to do with them.

That's why Paul took it up as his personal cause.

This topic seems very similar in premise to another without the predetermined goals. I think similar considerations need to be contemplated for both. I would also think a religion that advocates the principles of carrying the law and one which emphasizes on caring for a particular tribe within a specific geographic location according to scripture. It would be hard to advocate expanding borders or have some kind of ambition of conquest any larger then what is convenient that much unless one happens to already have a huge population base to create a desire for conquest. All this would mean something would mean an ATL starting before the Roman Empire. Also the fact that Judiasm is judged maternally also creates other social issues for such an endeavor.

Pretty much.

I'd like to state that, IMO, the only way to keep all the Abrahamic faiths united is to quash anything beyond Israelite Judaism. If your followers are restricted to a small area and population, heresies can be dealt with internally. Once your faith goes intercontinental, with millions of adherants, the logistics of reconciling two majorly different factions become difficult. Christianity is only 2,000 years old, and yet it has no fewer than four major theological sects (and that four is accomplished through lumping all the Protestants together into one block).
 
Its not so simple.

I think the split in the Abrahamic religions have something to do with Judaism not being a Prosetylizing religion.

There were many religions that came and went up until the domination of Christianity in the West that became popular without the need to proselytize. Manichaeans come to mind as well as the cult of Mithras, becoming a part of most religions in this time or praying to a particular deity was something of an allegiance of convenience or finding one that fits in with ones' needs, not a code of ethic bound to one by life. The laws, disputes and punishment were tried by those of strictly civil authority which made apparent the grounds of which was benefit to them or other benefactors. The ones that stood out in the in that respect in the region during that time seemed to be Judaism, Zoroastrians and the ancient Egyptian religion. Christianity seemed to take aspects from all those other religions to create one that could fit with all kinds of people and was able to create a society to stand upon, that maybe not unique but the circumstances that accelerated its ascension occurred during uncertain times within that region. Some pundits argue Buddhism got its boost in popularity in the east of Asia from civil strife too.
 
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