A world without Winston Churchill?

Churchill was a man that didn't know when to give up on an idea, which for most of his political life was a very bad thing, but in just the right moment in time it was what the nation and the world needed, with out him in WWI you see Australia and New Zealand Nationalism slowed maybe even stopped, without him in WWII Britain makes peace with Hitler.
 
Don't be so sure about that last one. The story of a completely supine British Establishment that needed Winston Churchill to stand up to the Jerries is a myth created by--well, largely by Winston Churchill. The man was a master of self-promotion.
 
Don't be so sure about that last one. The story of a completely supine British Establishment that needed Winston Churchill to stand up to the Jerries is a myth created by--well, largely by Winston Churchill. The man was a master of self-promotion.

that might be true, though, I'd think as the bombs are falling on London some one else (maybe PM Wood) might of asked "and what are we fighting for? France?"
 
Don't be so sure about that last one. The story of a completely supine British Establishment that needed Winston Churchill to stand up to the Jerries is a myth created by--well, largely by Winston Churchill. The man was a master of self-promotion.

But, his influence can't be understated. The speeches he gave, at the time they were given were literally perfect. He was the right man at the right time in the right situation. Not the greatest politician or military mind, but he did what needed to be done.
 
The chances are that Nazi Germany would have become a superpower having secrued a peace with Britain that largely allowed Britain to remain an imperial power but without any influence in Europe.

Other likely outcomes are no Gallipoli and the Liberal government remaining in power longer before agreeing to a coalition. However the Royal Navy would probably have entered the First World War less prepared. Not so much in terms of dreadnaughts as Mckenna had implemented a large scale construction plan opposed in cabinet by Churchill. Structurally however there would have been no reorganisation involving creation of a war staff and it is likely that developments such as naval aviation and the 15" gund would have been slower.
 
Did any other politician have the charisma and foresight to rally Britain at the time? I can't think of any.

In the words of Andrew Marr, the decade prior to the Second World War was an age of 'political pygmies.'
 
Did any other politician have the charisma and foresight to rally Britain at the time? I can't think of any.

In the words of Andrew Marr, the decade prior to the Second World War was an age of 'political pygmies.'

Torn but Flying

Charisma yes but foresight wasn't one of Winston's stronger points. He had been wrong so often that in many ways he was an handicap to a cause if he espoused it. After all who introduced the 10 year rule? As T3h_shammy said he was the right man at the right time in the summer of 1940 for that effect. However, he did make a hell of a lot of mistakes while if he hand;t been there we can't know for sure whether anyone else would have filled the gap. Or whether a Peace of Arras in 1940 might have been better for Britain than Germany given the possible course of events in the years that follow:

Steve
 
Don't be so sure about that last one. The story of a completely supine British Establishment that needed Winston Churchill to stand up to the Jerries is a myth created by--well, largely by Winston Churchill. The man was a master of self-promotion.
True, but at the cabinet meetings held at the start of the Dunkirk evacuation to discuss what to do next, it was his force of personality alone which persauded the war cabinet to not seek any possible peace terms from Germany.
 
Or whether a Peace of Arras in 1940 might have been better for Britain than Germany given the possible course of events in the years that follow:

Steve
A mainland Europe totally dominated by either the Nazi's or Stalin's Soviet Union would never have been better for Britain.
 
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