A world without the Mormons

As it say on the title, how does Utah, the US, and the wider world turn without the Mormons and their faith? (Joseph Smith either died young, does not found Mormonism, or the Mormons fell apart with Smith's death.)
 
Utah would be a Colorado-esque state with Salt Lake City, in my opinion.
If Nevada doesn't end up with Vegas, then you have two areas, Nevada & Utah with one populated watered area (Reno/CC vs. Wasatch Front) and a large area without enough water to support much. Colorado, OTOH doesn't have *huge* relatively uninhabitable areas.
 
If Nevada doesn't end up with Vegas
Vegas was founded by Mormons during the colonizing era of the 19th century, part of long term goal to create a corridor all the way to San Bernadino CA of LDS settlements. None of this happening would likely mean Vegas is founded later, and might remain small.

Also no conflict in Missouri, no Utah war, and a different Republican party. The republican party had two large social goals when it was founded in 1854: End the practice of slavery in the United States (which it did) and end the practice of polygamy in the United States (Which put it at odds with Utah throughout the latter half of the 19th Century)
 
Vegas was founded by Mormons during the colonizing era of the 19th century, part of long term goal to create a corridor all the way to San Bernadino CA of LDS settlements. None of this happening would likely mean Vegas is founded later, and might remain small.

Also no conflict in Missouri, no Utah war, and a different Republican party. The republican party had two large social goals when it was founded in 1854: End the practice of slavery in the United States (which it did) and end the practice of polygamy in the United States (Which put it at odds with Utah throughout the latter half of the 19th Century)
But the Mormon bit was vastly less important in terms of organizing people and getting them to join. Most of the people who cared about Mormonism also cared about slavery. The Republican Party has somewhat different text in its platform, but that's about it.

Agree about Vegas, however: it's not a spot that grows nearly as big ITTL.
 
Assuming that it ever came into existence at all, wtw makes a good point above, Utah would be a much more obscure state with a much smaller population (like the Dakotas). A fairly arid state, it is unlikely to have been very attractive to individual families of immigrants to the same degree that it was attractive to a religious community desirous of a Land of Promise in which to practice their beliefs. Nor would it have developed as much, I suspect, without the co-operative and collective efforts of that same religious community. No ZCMI (Zion Co-operative Mercantile Institution) for a start. Plus the importance of being the Mormon Church's world HQ to the economy of Salt Lake City (assuming it was ever founded at all ITTL).

Don't know if he was a cradle Mormon or a convert, but possibly no John Moses Browning with consequent butterflies for small arms manufacture -no Browning 9mm pistol, no BAR and no Browning LMG.
 
I wouldn't have so many cousins from Utah most likely, and a lot of people might well have stayed in Lancashire and other places with connections to the Mormons.
 
Perhaps one of the lesser known side effects would be differences in Polynesia. The first missionaries arrived in Tahiti in 1844, and later showed up in New Zealand and Hawaii in the 1850's, Samoa in the 1880's and Tonga in 1891, and continued into the smaller islands throughout the 20th century. There have been missions, temples, congregations, annual cultural celebrations (like the Maori 'Hui Tau') as a result of the Mormon influence in the islands, so the pacific would have been shaped by different religions. How different they would be, I'm not sure.
 
The obvious difference is with Utah, which doesn't even become a state, with the territory it covers winding up in either Colorado or Nevada. This has a butterfly effect on twenty-first century state admissions, since Alaska and Hawaii, and maybe also Arizona and New Mexico, were admitted as pairs.
 
What kind of barbarians are you? No Donny & Marie?
His loss, no big deal. Her: definitely nice legs and nice software otherwise, so that means the loss of a rather easy-on-the-eyes brunette. That's a problem. Of course, who's to say she wouldn't have surfaced in entertainment elsewhere? ;)
 
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