A world without China?

Tsao

Banned
Or the Miaos win the real life equivalent of the legendary Pre-historic battle between them and the Huaxia and the result is that the Huaxia are sent to Siberia then to the Americas instead of the Miaos being sent south.

Yes, and then the all the ASBs can dance on the grave of Han China.
 
Yes, and then the all the ASBs can dance on the grave of Han China.

I was actually thinking of the Southern people like the Miaos or a Northern people like the Buyeo assimilating the Hans instead during the Xia and Shang by making them more successful compared to the Han Chinese.
 
But one state crushing other ones come from Imperial Ideal build during Qin and Han period. If Qin and Han never exist, say Chu never conquered by Qin, the desire of unification may never exist.

although warring states war against each other, unification desire did not truly have philosophical foundation, only ambition of rulers. If Qin and Han unification never happen, occasional successful ruler might unify temporarily for a time, only to break-up after he death.

Chu seems to have develop culture distinctive enough, with no unification, this culture will strong enough to re-establish independence.

plus without Qin and Han unification, areas south of Yangtze might managed to develop its own native kingdoms and culture, instead of swallowed by chinese culture. Nanzhao/Dali, Fujian/minyue, Nanyue might become permanently independent to modern age

But that would be just stalling the Han Chinese expansion not eliminating them completely, right?
 

Tsao

Banned
I was actually thinking of the Southern people like the Miaos or a Northern people like the Buyeo assimilating the Hans instead during the Xia and Shang by making them more successful compared to the Han Chinese.

Well, that is a bit more plausible than your previously stated scenario.
 

PhilippeO

Banned
But that would be just stalling the Han Chinese expansion not eliminating them completely, right ?

Nope, not eliminating Han Chinese completely. of course the name "Han chinese" would not exist in this world. it would be "qin chinese" and "chu chinese", both descended from Zhou. and "chu chinese" will have a lot more influence from Miao culture.

And with two state, instead of one empire, "stalled" might become "stopped". the southern yangtze will become like Korea and Japanese, influenced culturally, but having entirely separate people.
 
Nope, not eliminating Han Chinese completely. of course the name "Han chinese" would not exist in this world. it would be "qin chinese" and "chu chinese", both descended from Zhou. and "chu chinese" will have a lot more influence from Miao culture.

And with two state, instead of one empire, "stalled" might become "stopped". the southern yangtze will become like Korea and Japanese, influenced culturally, but having entirely separate people.
I get it so a divided China divided into linguistic lines, but the non-chinese in Southern China were also influenced by India like South East Asia, I think they will have more in common with the Indians and have more cultural changes, I think not having the people who migrated to India from China will also result in a different Hinduism.
 
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