A White Russia and its effect on Germany?

If Russia was under the control of White Russia, would the Nazis still be able to gain power? Without the threat of a super large Communist state would Hitlers brand of Fascism have been able to spread?

In my TL, the failure of the October Revolution leads to Germany falling to Communism. I guess that's a possibility?
 
The German communists were heavily influenced, supported, and armed by the Soviets. They would not have existed in any numbers like OTL without Soviet support.

Actually, a lot of them were originally members of the Social democrats, who split in the 1920s. No?
 
I assume the treaty of Versailles is still in place, a great Depression is likely not butterflied away, antisemitism in Germany wouldn't be affected either. Maybe White Russia actually provides an example of how a fascist state reemerged from defeat.

All in all, I think the Nazis could still gain power.

Nevertheless, white Russia means that you butterflied away a pariah-like state against a still respected great power which will see a substantially better economic development than the Soviet Union and may not have lost as much territories as IOTL. That is a very huge difference.

LMAO!

No dude, it’ll look like bloody warlord-era China, with the regions ruled by warlords and local strongmen who'd feel at best nominal loyalty to the central government in Petrograd. Added to that neighbouring nations & other powers ripping even more chunks than OTL off the old Empire’s borderlands. To say nothing of the simmering revolts and dissent that a White regime would be highly unlikely to quell, due to wrenched unpopularity of the OTL Whites who’d need a much more massive degree foreign intervention to stand any chance of winning at all.

If anything Russia will be worse off than OTL under the Bolsheviks. Hell it’ll be worse off than it was in 1914 or even 1905.

But they weren't brawling in the street with the Soviets, were they? They were fighting other Germans.

It's an acknowledged fact of the British and American systems that you can get an executive that a minority of people actually voted for. The point made by the formulation is that Hitler a) had enough popular support to matter and b) rose to power by constitutional means and with the help of elites that were already in place.

Indeed, even a failed October Revolution would still have unleashed a Civil War in Russia. With massive death tolls and the moneyed classes getting very short-shrift from the Communists.

That alone would conjure the fearsome spectre of ‘’Judeo-Bolshevism’’ in the mind of many Germans. Without requiring the physical existence of the U.S.S.R. Which was very isolationist, and if anything belittled as a factor in Great Power politics. Bolshevism was seen was seen as an ideological threat and Communism an international conspiracy, the Soviet Union itself however was not seen as a grave physical danger to Germany (which in fact co-operated with the Soviet militarily and both were casting a wary eye on Poland long before the M-R Pact).

Of course many people forget all that and other factors and try to blame the Commies for the rise of the Nazis. As if Right-wing lunatics couldn’t find spurious justification for they insane beliefs elsewhere. And in the case of Germany gain mass-support by focusing on unemployment, economic collapse, national humiliation and lastly the real military danger posed by say Poland (which gave German army officersa lot of sleepless nights). As opposed to the Soviet Union a country which didn’t even share a
maritime border with Germany, let alone a land one.
 
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Thanks for all the answers, Im inclined to lean towards the Warlord idea but I think that a strong leader would eventually rise up and take the power from the local despots.
 
Even if Germany still has the OTL issues that made it Nazi, there's still the possibility of a non-Nazi revanchist movement appearing, especially if socialism/communism is less intimidating or influential.

Restore the Kaiser and get Danzig back?
 
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I was thinking maybe the DNVP might be an alternative to the NSDAP.
DNVP had one problem, sucking too much up to wealthy industrialists and old aristocrats who still hoped the Kaiser would return. DNVP could work as a support party for a right wing dictatorship, but Hugenberg would never be strong enough to be dictator himself.
 
I assume the treaty of Versailles is still in place, a great Depression is likely not butterflied away, antisemitism in Germany wouldn't be affected either. Maybe White Russia actually provides an example of how a fascist state reemerged from defeat.

All in all, I think the Nazis could still gain power.

I think an authoritarian or even conventionally fascist government is much more likely. The Nazis had a hysterical apocalyptic strain that needed the Bolshevik Menace to really thrive.
 
There is still a Communist threat in Germany and Russia will atill be embroiled in a long civil war. Likely longer then the one OTL.
 
Restore the Kaiser and get Danzig back?

Well, depends on whether you think they'd actually manage to restore him, but there's certainly the possibility of a non-Nazi dictatorship of the type Schleicher tried to establish.

I think an authoritarian or even conventionally fascist government is much more likely. The Nazis had a hysterical apocalyptic strain that needed the Bolshevik Menace to really thrive.

Actually, the apocalyptic forecasts of the Nazis involved a confused mix of race-death due to dependence on the imperial capitalism of Jewish America and the plotting of the Jews and socialists in Germany. Russia sat off to the side a bit, waiting to be turned into Lebensraum.
 
My ATL sees a totalitarian Russia that's like a larger-scale Fascist Italy with elements of Stalinism (because Russia is Russia, not Italy, there will be some similarities). That ATL's POD is in the 1860s, the fascist dictatorship rises under one of the historical White Leaders, and like the Stalinists benefits from what other people already did. It has a larger overall population but a much more formidable and militaristic society and also a larger land area, which in the context of the ATL WWI leads to in the interwar period a strong Russophobic element in German politics.

That, admittedly, is probably outside the context of the OP. For the OP's concern, the rise of White Russia has several basic insurmountable difficulties and is likely to lead to greater overall chaos than the USSR did. Its circumstances butterfly away Nazism as we knew it, but Fascist Italy will still show up and still inspire a German fascist movement. Whether or not said movement takes power or not is a different question.
 
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