"A Very British Transition" - A Post-Junta Britain TL

I wonder if there is a conversation going on in some officer's mess somewhere about the mess parliament is in and a potential way resolve the issue without making the same mistakes that caused success to elude them last time? 🤔
I wonder if a very similar conversation is currently taking place in a mess somewhere? 🤔
With the prospect of a hard left government maybe the conversation bears a more than passing resemblance to one that these officer's grandfather's may have had slightly over 50 years ago.
Even with the reforms of the military most of the senior officers and NCO's would more than likely have spent their early careers in the junta era armed forces.
 
2019 General Election - Potential Left coalitions
There are 497 seats in the HOC, 249 are needed for a majority.
Intro: The UPA and SDP alone in the election got 240 seats which is 9 seats from a majority. They have multiple ways of getting to 249 involving working with smaller parties including Ecology and Scottish and Welsh separatists. Other possible coalitions not involving the UPA are not shown here due to Left being the only reasonable coalition able to get a majority.
RISE agreement: UPA-SDP-RISE: 260, 11 seat majority
An agreement with RISE is, on paper, the most straightforward option for a government as it gives a substantial majority to the government allowing it to pass most things relatively easily. However forming the coalition would be risky for the UPA and the SDP if they agree due to the party's involvement in the Scottish crisis. The SDP working with it could also split the party with lots of it's members and leaders likely opposing it.
SNP agreement: UPA-SDP-SNP: 249, 0 seat majority
The SNP doesn't have the reputation of RISE, making an agreement easier, however it is practically a centrist party and most likely would refuse to work with the UPA. The agreement also barely has a majority, an agreement with Ecology or another party could solve that but the points above still stand.

Ecology/Welsh agreement: UPA-SDP-Ecology-Plaid/Forward Wales: 253/252, 4/3 seat majority
Not much has been said about Ecology so far, however I'm going to assume that they would be okay in working with other leftist and separatist parties in exchange for environmental protections. Not much as been said about Plaid or FW as well however I'm going to assume they are similar to the SNP and RISE respectively. Assuming that, an agreement with Forward Wales is most likely than Plaid. FW also doesn't have the reputation that RISE has making a potential agreement easier. The potential government, however, would have quite a small majority and could be destroyed by a few defectors from the SDP.
Conclusion: The top and bottom agreements are really the only ones that would allow a government to be formed, however each of them have their own issues. Government formation is possible with a good agreement involving multiple parties but will be hard and risky, potentially damaging the main parties in a second election. The parties could also work with Northern Irish parties, however friendly ones only hold a few seats and I don't know if an agreement with Sinn Fein would work.
 
In that case, particularly with the SNP agreement option, I'm wondering if the NI parties could be brought in as a "safe" option. The SDLP, for example, would give it a 2 seat majority- still slim, but better than 0.
 
Well Sinn Fein is still abstentionist as far as I'm aware, so functionally that makes a majority 247 seats. It's also possible that if Westminster refuses to budge on the Scottish Crisis that the WPS or even RISE could decide to follow in SF's footsteps which would basically clear the way for a UPA-SDP majority government.
 
Well Sinn Fein is still abstentionist as far as I'm aware, so functionally that makes a majority 247 seats. It's also possible that if Westminster refuses to budge on the Scottish Crisis that the WPS or even RISE could decide to follow in SF's footsteps which would basically clear the way for a UPA-SDP majority government.
However with Sinn Fein and the Speaker abstaining,
Looked it up and apparently in this TL Sinn Fein is abstaining. Not entirely sure but with Sinn Fein and the Speaker abstaining (6 seats) that would make a majority 243 seats? If so my post is mostly invalid.
 
I wonder if a very similar conversation is currently taking place in a mess somewhere? 🤔
With the prospect of a hard left government maybe the conversation bears a more than passing resemblance to one that these officer's grandfather's may have had slightly over 50 years ago.
Even with the reforms of the military most of the senior officers and NCO's would more than likely have spent their early careers in the junta era armed forces.

Hopefully there are similar conversations at the TUC about how to make sure any attempt ends more like Kapp and less like Pinochet.
 
i'm kinda curious, could you give us some names of Centrist MP ?
The Centrists' "Shadow Cabinet" as of May 2019 is as follows:
  • President - James Cleverly
  • Vice President - James Glancy
  • Finance Spokesperson - Henry Bolton
  • Foreign Affairs Spokesperson - Michael Rose
  • Justice Spokesperson - Julian Thompson
  • Defence Spokesperson - Nigel Farage
  • Home Affairs Spokesperson - Edwin Poots
  • Development Spokesperson - Steve Baker
  • Education Spokesperson - Fraser Nelson
  • Industry Spokesperson - Priti Patel
  • Agriculture Spokesperson - Paul Staines
  • Public Administrations Spokesperson - Katie Hopkins
  • Culture Spokesperson - Paul Watson
  • Health Spokesperson - Julia Hartley-Brewer
  • Environment Spokesperson - Kemi Badenoch
  • Housing Spokesperson - Ann Widdecombe
 
I don't think its been mentioned since the forced retirement of Charles Guthrie but who is the Chief of Defence staff at this point and does their office have anything near the political power and influence that some of its more recent previous holders enjoyed?

By this point does the military retain any influence or has it been completely defanged?

Following the coup did the UK continue to maintain its significant military presence in foreign countries such as Germany and Cyprus?
 
I don't think its been mentioned since the forced retirement of Charles Guthrie but who is the Chief of Defence staff at this point and does their office have anything near the political power and influence that some of its more recent previous holders enjoyed?

By this point does the military retain any influence or has it been completely defanged?

Following the coup did the UK continue to maintain its significant military presence in foreign countries such as Germany and Cyprus?
The current Chief of Defence Staff is Gordon Messenger.

The Chief of Defence staff now has much reduced powers. They remain highest-ranking military officer in the British Armed Forces and the principal military adviser to the Prime Minister. They are also is the fourth military authority of the country after the Monarch, the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence.

The Military doesn't have any "hard" political power as Minister of Defence is now a civilian position, but they still have soft power through the media and behind the scenes lobbying, they are still considerably more powerful than the OTL CoD.

The UK withdrew it's military from Cyprus and Germany after the coup but British troops are now stationed in both via the UN and NATO respectively.
 
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Chapter 109: The Carousel
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The People's Army was within touching distance of Downing Street

“Bell Ribeiro-Addy will meet with the leaders of the other main parties next week in what are expected to be difficult negotiations. Ribeiro-Addy’s left-wing UPA came top in elections on Sunday but fell short of a majority. This means she will need the support of other parties to govern. The radical leader is starting the long process by meeting with the leaders of National, Unity and the SDP, it was announced on Wednesday. Of these groups, only the last, the Social Democrats, are keen on forming a coalition – while the first two have ruled out close cooperation with the Alliance. Ms Ribeiro-Addy’s party has indicated that it wants to govern alone as a minority – relying on other parties for ad hoc support.”
- Ribeiro-Addy to meet party leaders as SDP argues for coalition, Jon Stone, The Independent (2019)

Once again the party leaders were summoned to the Palace to discuss potential coalitions, with King Charles taking a particular interest in stable government. Whilst Tugendhat and Sugar made noises about leading a government, everyone knew only the UPA could realistically form a majority. Both National and Unity ruled themselves out of supporting a People’s Alliance Government straight away, with Tugendhat telling journalists “this is the UPA’s mess, it is their responsibility to clean it up”. With almost everyone in the National Party wanting Tugendhat out, he had to project an aura of strength to protect his job. Sugar on the other hand was gunning for a second election, after his party had surged, all they needed was one last push to wipe out National, and secure leadership of Britain's centre-right.

Bell Ribeiro-Addy was minded towards a minority government, relying on the support of the Social Democrats and separatist parties without a formal deal, this could avoid prompting the ire of her moderates who were nervous about working with RISE - and the radicals who didn’t want a deal with the austerity enabling Social Democrats. This had strong precedent in British politics, despite being a proportional system transition Britain had never seen a Westminster coalition government - with minority governments being the norm. Alliance leadership also feared the party’s anti-establishment image would be tarnished by going into coalition with the Social Democrats, with all the baggage that brought.

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Sugar's tactic of refusing to support any government alienated some of his supporters

However the Social Democrats were eager to enter Cabinet as coalition members, fearing a confidence and supply deal would doom their party to extinction. Khan’s whole election pitch had been to moderate a future People’s Alliance Government. In one BBC interview he told viewers the UPA shouldn’t “take the Social Democrats for granted” and that he was keeping “all options open” in regards to negotiations, opening the door for working with the right. Whilst this was likely an empty threat, Khan knew he held kingmaker power, and was eager to ensure his party wasn’t swept away - like PASOK and so many other Social Democratic parties had been.

Negotiations between the Alliance and Social Democrats did not go well,with Khan unwilling to budge on his Cabinet demands. Some within the People’s Alliance also placed pressure on Ribeiro-Addy from below, the “Progressive” faction of party moderates were eager to see the Social Democrats brought into Government, with some such as Paul Mason even wanting the parties to officially merge to form a Popular Front. Another issue was the problem of Scottish separatists, RISE and the SNP only agreed to support a People’s Alliance on the condition of pardons for Harvie, Brown and others - something the Social Democrats were unlikely to accept.

“Keith Brown will not be allowed to take up his seat in the European parliament until the end of his trial, Home Secretary Graham Brady has ruled. On Friday, the Supreme Court temporarily rejected a petition for Brown to leave jail on Monday to begin the process of becoming an MEP. EU rules around Parliamentary privilege oblige him to travel to Brussels in July to take up the seat he won in last month’s European elections. That trip to Brussels, it ruled, would present “an irreversible danger to the outcome of the trial” Brady said. Brown faces a 25-year sentence if convicted of rebellion over his alleged part in Scotland’s attempt to secede from Union. The court took a more cautious tone, a spokesperson said the ruling did not mean that Brown had lost his right to take part in the European parliament.” - Home Secretary blocks Keith Brown from joining EU parliament, Sam Jones, The Guardian (2019)

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The UPA and SDP had completely different positions on Scottish pardons

Relations deteriorated further when it transcended that Khan had been secretly meeting with Tugnedhat and Sugar to discuss a government of national unity. Whilst such a Government was unlikely, if the Centrists abstained and the various Northern Irish sister parties agreed to it a centrist coalition would have a very slim majority. Although nothing came from these talks it enraged the People’s Alliance and some within the party called on Bell to walk away from the table altogether. After the UPA’s extraordinary gains in the general election, many in the party believed lightning could strike twice, and with another snap election they could crush the Social Democrats, securing power without needing the centre left.

As the deadline for forming a government grew ever closer the parties of the left were no closer to an agreement. Khan had demanded the Deputy Prime Ministership for himself, alongside the Finance and Industry portfolios for other leading members of his party. These were all jobs the People’s Alliance had a keen interest in, with many in the Alliance seeing Finance as a gambit to prevent more radical policies getting through. Frustration between the two parties became increasingly public as UPA lead negotiator Jon Lansman accused Khan “putting ministerial cars ahead of sensible policy additions” when discussing a joint governing platform.

At this point Bell had run out of patience. The UPA’s leader wanted to propose herself as Prime Minister with the backing of the separatists, and dare the Social Democrats to vote her down. Although the Alliance’s uber-democratic constitution meant she had to submit this to a member’s vote first via the Alliance’s online “Outrage” portal. This vote was roundly criticised for the biased wording of the question, with member’s options being either to “push ahead with a UPA Government to change the country for the better” or to “continue with negotiations despite the SDP’s intransigence, even if this risks our radical values”. The vast majority of the party establishment, including Ribeiro-Addy and Jones favoured pulling out, with only a small faction of progressives supporting ongoing negotiations. By a 58% vote margin the Alliance’s grassroots voted in favour of going it alone - thus began a national game of chicken.

“Three months after she won a general election, Bell Ribeiro-Addy told lawmakers it is their “responsibility” to make her Prime Minister. The UPA chief spoke in parliament on Monday at the start of what could be several days of discussions and votes on the country’s leadership. Ribeiro-Addy, whose most likely path to power is a deal with the centre-left SDP, told MPs they should back her because it is their “responsibility.” “We’re choosing between having a government and not having one,” she said, warning the country will face another ballot if her bid fails. Ribeiro-Addy said she intends to form a “pro-European, progressive, ecologist and feminist” government. She outlined what she described as the six main challenges she plans to tackle, from pensions to gender equality to global warming.” - Bell’s Gambit, Politico, Eleni Courea (2019)

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Ribeiro-Addy said he intends to form a “pro-European, progressive, ecologist and feminist” government. She outlined what he described as the six main challenges he plans to tackle, from pensions to gender equality to global warming.” - Bell’s Gambit, Politico, Eleni Courea (2019)
You used the wrong pronoun a couple of times in this sentence.
 
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