Okay. When the POD happens in WWII where America loses, there are too many variables on how they lost and what happened agfter they lost such as losing thier status as superpower. but anyways, i'll work with it. I believe that so much tension between the US and Soviets with Germany would lead up to an invasion/intervension where they would eventualy end in Germany surrendering thier Superpower status along with WMD. The Cold war, however, would be delayed due to the Germnaic INtervensions. Delayed or Deleted from history.
A Three Way Cold War
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Okay. When the POD happens in WWII where America loses, there are too many variables on how they lost and what happened agfter they lost such as losing thier status as superpower. but anyways, i'll work with it. I believe that so much tension between the US and Soviets with Germany would lead up to an invasion/intervension where they would eventualy end in Germany surrendering thier Superpower status along with WMD. The Cold war, however, would be delayed due to the Germnaic INtervensions. Delayed or Deleted from history.
Why would Germany make peace? The Reich despised the Slavs.
Why would the USSR make peace? The Communists despised the Reich.
The two leaders despised each other with a white hot passion.
The Eastern Front was the one piece of WW II that was win or die.
HueyLong
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No, it wasn't.
The Reich may have hated Slaves- but they tried to negotiate for peace despite that, as even Hitler had pragmatism higher than ideology.
The USSR was even more likely to surrender at points, and accept negotiations.
Yeah...
Yeah - I agree with this - as do some of the history books I've read about this subject - they really could just have gotten along...
Yeah - I agree with this - as do some of the history books I've read about this subject - they really could just have gotten along...
How about this; Halifax becomes Prime Minister and settels for peace in the west and Hitler dies/is assassinated soon after. Then Goring or whoever succeeds Hitler doesn't roll the dice on an invasion and Stalin doesn't attack because he doesn't want to attack a Germany that isn't at war on multiple fronts. This way Germany keeps Austria, the Czechs, Western Poland and Denmark along with their Eastern European allies.
I could go with this. So how about
Block 1: The USA and British Empire.
Block 2: Greater Germany, Italy, Spain, East Europe.
Block 3: Soviet Union.
Other areas:
France is neutral because if it steps out of line, the Germans will have them.
Japan gets crushed by the Americans in the Gtreat Eastern War. They are left impoverished.
China is a battle ground between the Nationalists supported by Germany and the USA verse the Communists supported by the Soviet Union.
Latin America is split between trading with the USA and trading with Germany.Governments/warlords switch to the opposite to whom the government they have overthrown favoured.
In addition, Germany openly supports racist faction in Africa and the British Empire.
Perhaps the POD should be in Britain, with Churchill not taking power, and Chamberlain being replaced by someone else. Then, after the defeat of France and during the heavy attacks on the UK that ensued, Britain would be much more likely to accept peace than in OTL, where it had Churchill at it's head. What would stop Hitler from declaring war against the soviets then? That I don't know... 
What about...
What about a similar possibility to the one that Michael B proposed, except that the Russians get to expand into southeast asia a little more than in OTL before the US starts getting into the whole containment buissiness? (and the US doesn't keep Japan impoverished, but like in OTL turns it into an economically well developed ally). That would lead to more balance, probably.
What about a similar possibility to the one that Michael B proposed, except that the Russians get to expand into southeast asia a little more than in OTL before the US starts getting into the whole containment buissiness? (and the US doesn't keep Japan impoverished, but like in OTL turns it into an economically well developed ally). That would lead to more balance, probably.
Then why was Stalin trying to get the best peace he could in 1941? The only reason he didn't get it was Hitler's arrogance. I think Stalingrad was the turning point where the Russians would no longer give up, and even then a much bloodier path west (and maybe no D-Day) could lead Stalin to throw in the towel.
Seeing as this scenario would likely see the US have to invade Japan, I doubt they'd be as willing to build them back up again. Also, dunno how/where the Russians would get into SE Asia- Ho was pretty pro-US, and there could be a chance of Mao getting US support too.
The tricky bit will be when the USSR and Germany develop atomic weapons...if either of them gets any real lead time (enough to build a few dozen hiroshima-type devices and delivery bombers) they're probably going to attack the other before they can develop their own arsenal, unless the US decides to deter them in a sense of "better to have the Germans/Soviets with an enemy at their back ." [1]
Bruce
[1] Of course, in the "Hitler dies before Barabrossa" scenario, there's a real chance the two weaker dictatorships may afterwards return to an alliance of convenience against the more powerful Anglosphere...
Bruce
[1] Of course, in the "Hitler dies before Barabrossa" scenario, there's a real chance the two weaker dictatorships may afterwards return to an alliance of convenience against the more powerful Anglosphere...
On the subject of Japan...
On the subject of Japan - America had to invade Germany, didn't it? That didn't stop them from rebuilding it. What makes you think they'll be less generous than they were OTL? Sure, a whole heck of a lot more Americans would have died, but still - they would likely see the need for a strong ally in east asia, wouldn't they?
On the subject of Japan - America had to invade Germany, didn't it? That didn't stop them from rebuilding it. What makes you think they'll be less generous than they were OTL? Sure, a whole heck of a lot more Americans would have died, but still - they would likely see the need for a strong ally in east asia, wouldn't they?
Because Germany didn't kill 2,500 Americans in an unprovoked suprise attack on US territory. Besides, the Japanese that survive the invasion aren't exactly going to be happy about the Americans being there.