A Swedish *Nazism

Jumping on board again (even though I'm kinda getting sick of these threads). Anyway, what would the world look like with a Swedish analogue to Nazism? What would be needed to turn a historically neutral country into a fascist one? How successful would they be?
 

NapoleonXIV

Banned
Naziism was, IIRC, a worldwide "movement" to some extent. They had sympathisers in almost every country, no doubt some in Sweden.

Could such use the Winter War as a pretext to overthrow the Swedish govt in favor of a Nazi one which would support the Finns? Finland had been a province of Sweden, taken by Russia in 1809 and independent since 1917.
 
Jumping on board again (even though I'm kinda getting sick of these threads). Anyway, what would the world look like with a Swedish analogue to Nazism? What would be needed to turn a historically neutral country into a fascist one? How successful would they be?
Depending on the circumstances, of course, but Swedish Nazism would probably look very similar to German Nazism. No need to change the Aryan details.
However, recanche is a problem.
The breaking of the Union was too peaceful, and the ties between had been too weak before.
The War of 1808-1809 was too far back in history. When the Fascist ideas began cropping up (when the necessary background had developed, actually), each and every person that had lived during that war was dead and buried for quite some time.
No so for Germany and the Great War (or even France and the Franco-Prussian War).
 
How about the *Nazis convincing the populace that Norway had illegally seceded and the former government had done nothing to stop this? This could be semi-believable, and I bet that plenty of the Swedes will be okay with taking back Norway...
 
Naziism was, IIRC, a worldwide "movement" to some extent. They had sympathisers in almost every country, no doubt some in Sweden.
Sweden was in part blinded by traditional Germanophilia, but Nazism was indeed quite popular.

At first, at least, it wasn't as popular by 1944.

Interestingly enough, the first female Swedish party leader was it for, you guess it, one of the Nazi parties! Altough, if I remember correctly, that took place after the War, when the Nazi parties were dying...
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Depending on the circumstances, of course, but Swedish Nazism would probably look very similar to German Nazism. No need to change the Aryan details.
However, recanche is a problem.
The breaking of the Union was too peaceful, and the ties between had been too weak before.
The War of 1808-1809 was too far back in history. When the Fascist ideas began cropping up (when the necessary background had developed, actually), each and every person that had lived during that war was dead and buried for quite some time.
No so for Germany and the Great War (or even France and the Franco-Prussian War).

The solution could be a Sweden in WWI on the side of the Central Powers
 

Glen

Moderator
Sweden was in part blinded by traditional Germanophilia, but Nazism was indeed quite popular.

At first, at least, it wasn't as popular by 1944.

Interestingly enough, the first female Swedish party leader was it for, you guess it, one of the Nazi parties! Altough, if I remember correctly, that took place after the War, when the Nazi parties were dying...

I blame the uniforms....
 
How about the *Nazis convincing the populace that Norway had illegally seceded and the former government had done nothing to stop this? This could be semi-believable, and I bet that plenty of the Swedes will be okay with taking back Norway...
I doubt many Swedes would believe it, or find it okay, actually.
Remember, the Union was more-or-less a personal union in a time of increasingly Constitutional monarchies (heh, Norway was very much one, actually, being Parliamentary and all) by 1905, with a few special laws regarding cross-border trade and such, and a slightly more limited foreign policy-making ability for the Norwegians.
It was not like an integrated part of Sweden, like Scania, had broken free, after all.
I don't think it makes enough sense as a Revanche thing, really...
 
I doubt many Swedes would believe it, or find it okay, actually.
Remember, the Union was more-or-less a personal union in a time of increasingly Constitutional monarchies (heh, Norway was very much one, actually, being Parliamentary and all) by 1905, with a few special laws regarding cross-border trade and such, and a slightly more limited foreign policy-making ability for the Norwegians.
It was not like an integrated part of Sweden, like Scania, had broken free, after all.
I don't think it makes enough sense as a Revanche thing, really...

Well, there wasn't much proof that Germany needed lebensraum or that the Aryan race existed. I'm just saying that if you could get a leader with enough charisma, you'd be surprised by what he could do..
 
Sweden wouldn't have that much of a chance on forigin adventures, even with a rearmed military. I have no dubt they would rearm anyway.

Race biology is a given. Both because it wouldnt be nazi without it and because it was popular.

The economy is harder. Most would say some kind of socialism but I'm not sure. I think the Swedish nazism would come earlier then Germany. The 30's would be to late. Social Democrats where to strong. So say they start grow in the 10's and grow at ful strength in the 20's. I think the upper classes lacked political sence so a nobelman could lead the movement. Sven Hedin might be a possibility because he lacked all political sence even though he could be pragmatic with more down to earth problems. (He liked Hitler, said nice things about Stalin and it is claimed he said welcomed Mao.)

Thus I think we would see a more agrarian ideology, especially if we see some kind of workers movement in the 10's.

And the lack of political sence would make it a failure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Hedin
 
True.
But then you risk making the CP more successful in the War.:p
Not much, of course, so it shouldn't be a problem...

Might it not actually hurt them? IIRC, Sweden as a neutral could import materials and transit them to Germany. Not much, of course, but a little. Sweden on their side would just mean more mouths to feed.
 
Might it not actually hurt them? IIRC, Sweden as a neutral could import materials and transit them to Germany. Not much, of course, but a little. Sweden on their side would just mean more mouths to feed.
And Russia being forced to keep more attention to Finland.
But Sweden would not have been the best of allies, really.
A Central East puts them in the Allied (ATL term for the Central Powers, in addition to, eh, the Central Powers) camp, but that was mostly because it made sense from Sweden's POV...
Of course, Russia in TTL is in too bad a situation to take advantage of Sweden's non-ability in military things, and the added bit of front would aid the Allies a little bit (in that Russia can't take that many forces from the North in a desperate bid to stop the Allied drive towards Moscow;)).
 
My last post dealt with a nazi-looking nazism but Swedish politics doesn't look like that. It doesn't have large demonstrations or mass meetings, charismatic politicians. It is gray and booring with organised meetings and employees hidden away at offices. And people cooking coffe.
 
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