A successful Darien Scheme

Germany never invaded America?!!

Are you insane?

:)

Au contraire

Wisconsin 2009:

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Au contraire

Wisconsin 2009:

In 1912, after the outbreak of WWII, the German fleet sank the transports that were carrying the original Statue of Liberty. You can see Southampton in the background. That's what that's a picture of.

Lunatic!

:)
 
You have obviously never visited Wisconsin.

Dear god, the Germans. Everywhere, Germans...

Au contraire

Wisconsin 2009:
Hey! I take offense to that!:mad:

Sure we have Bratfest, and over 40% of the state is german in heritage, and it was a more common first language than english until WWI, and...

OK, point.

Wait does this mean we get the German's ability to successfully invade our neighbors? *eyes Michigan's Upper Peninsula* I think we've found our Sudetenland... *glares at Illinois* and Poland...
 
*eyes Michigan's Upper Peninsula*
Man, we've gone through this how many times now?

The Upper Peninsula is rightfully Michigan's by way of Congressional dealings in exchange for Michigan giving up claims on the Toledo Strip. If Wisconsin were to claim the Upper Peninsula, that would indicate that Wisconsin would be inclined to recognize pre-1836 borders and should then logically back Michigan's claim on the Toledo Strip.
 
This may sound inflammatory, or stupid, but I have to say this is kind of ASB. I don't mean to demean the Scots or anything, but frankly there's absolutely no way that the Scots could raise a military capable of independently taking on the Spanish Empire, even if just defending one colony. Even if it came down to it, the Spanish could just starve the colony into submission, because the Scots, even if relatively economically prosperous, could never raise more than, maybe 10 full time frigates and even assuming they were the best-manned ships in the world, facing the whole Spanish navy eventually they will be picked off and reduced to naught. I have to say, I think if you want a scenario when Darien survives, you have to find a way to avoid the Spanish trying to seriously take it back. I just can't see the Scots managing a successful continuing defence against concerted attacks without some other colonial power assisting them and doing most of the work.


Actually, if I remember correctly on reading about the adventure, the Spanish moved quickly against New Caledonia(the name of the colony), lest the Scots become too entrenched. The location was a strong defensive one and given a couple of years, the Scots would have been able to pull off the colonial dream.

You also have to factor in the fact that the Scots had the support of the natives, who were sick of the Spanish by this point(the Scots by all accounts were offered an alliance by the natives).

With regards to naval power, in the short time the colony was in existence, English (although breaking English law and the fact the crew later got hanged by the Scots, which is another story), French and Dutch ships stopped there, so supplies would not be the problem you envisage, and if they got the road to the pacific which was dreamed, the colony would become the hub of the world for trade to the east. In other words, strong naval power was not required.

For the colony to succeed, you would need clever Scottish diplomacy, a slower Spanish response and King William being more supportive. For all three to occur at that instance was a long shot.
 
Man, we've gone through this how many times now?

The Upper Peninsula is rightfully Michigan's by way of Congressional dealings in exchange for Michigan giving up claims on the Toledo Strip. If Wisconsin were to claim the Upper Peninsula, that would indicate that Wisconsin would be inclined to recognize pre-1836 borders and should then logically back Michigan's claim on the Toledo Strip.
Why would I have a problem with this? I don't like Ohio anymore than Michigan. In fact, you give us the UP and you can take all of Ohio for all I care.

Wisconsin Uber Alles!:D
 
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