A Spanish-Moroccan War in 2002

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Just one question.

As it seems TTL the political atmosphere is far from the corrupted mud fight that is OTL, and the nationalist parties have lost influence... what's the impact of that in the next post-war catalonian elections?

Damn, I knew I was forgetting something.

Without Aznar, Zaplana and Acebes screwing things up and the COPE pundits too busy bashing the moors, ERC never becomes a major political force in Catalonia. In the 2003 election to the congress they remain as the 6th political force behing PP, PSOE, IU and CiU, and CiU still wins the 2003 catalonian election. Artur Mas becomes Catalonian president with the support of ERC and ICV, but ERC does not make it into the catalonian government. This means no annoying Estatut discussion in 2004-2006 and no anticatalan paranoia in late 2005.
 
Spain also compromises to start a legal emigration program to Spain.

Somebody has to pick all that fruit and veggies.:D

(we like bickering with each other too much)

Don't we all? A few months after the liberation 1945 everything - politically - was back to pre-war status.;)

This makes Morocco, along with Algeria and the Sahrawi republic, to drift on the EU orbit, while separating from the rest of the Arab World.

Isn't this what we are trying to do with that EU programme about cooperation in the Med area?:cool:

The new 2003 constitution, inspired in the Turkish one, makes the Sahara a democratic, secular, parliamentary Republic.

Very interesting - keeping both ends of the Med de-religiousnized, sort of.:)

Right after the declaration of independence, the polisario government also signs a treaty giving Spanish enterprises rights for oil prospections in Sahara territory and waters. Between 2003 and 2005, the Spanish oil company Repsol-YPF makes prospections all around the Sahara and the surrounding waters confirming the predictions: there are large oil fields under the Sahara and its waters, even reaching until the Canary Islands. General Sanz’s prediction that this would “pay for the war in 4 to 5 years” was obviously too optimistic, but the new HISAR (Hidrocarburos del Sahara) company (a joint venture between Spanish and polisario government) will reap great benefits for both countries in years to come. Oil, along with phosphates, Spanish help and a modest tourism industry (mostly based on surfers and adventure tourists) will help the Sahrawi economy to thrive.

It had to be something about oil, why didn't I follow my first idea (easy to say now, isn't it...)

Great TL, what a work to do. Congratulations.
 
A bit too rosy-tinted, and predicated on Moroccans being very practical people who don't keep a grudge: I would not say that it's unfeasible, just a tad unlikely :D

Very good TL, though. Hope you don't mind my nitpicking.
 
And now it ends:

EPILOGUE (PART II)

In the occupied zone of Tangiers and Tetouan, the Spanish army will have to face armed resistance and terrorist incidents for the first months. The worst incident happens in November 2002 when 7 soldiers die in a suicide attack by an Al Qaeda terrorist in Tangiers. This leads to a harsh antiterrorist campaign by the Moroccan government with US and Spanish assistance when Spain menaces with cutting off the migration program and reconstruction help.

However, and despite the numerous incidents and attacks that will kill 97 spanish soldiers between August 2002 and March 2005, the situation will calm down after early 2003. This is due to several factors such as:

-Gradual liftings of restrictions. Curfew is lifted in August 2002, and in January 2003 voters in the zone are allowed to elect a civilian council that will share government with the Spanish military. For the following years, the military administration will gradually step down, until the Spanish military role is reduced to patrolling the border and cities. In may 2003, press censorship is abolished, ironically making the Zone into Morocco’s most free region.

-Since many soldiers in the Spanish army are of Moroccan origin, as many Moroccan soldiers as possible are deployed as occupation troops to lessen the cultural shock for the civilians.

- After long talks and some bribery, the Spaniards are able to get support from moderate imams, local politicians and tribal chiefs.

The terrorists also alienate themselves when they decide to target local population for collaborating with the occupiers. Despite the Spanish public asking for harsher measures against terrorist attacks, though, the government decides to adopt a stance of moderation and gaining the civilian population.

The carrot of becoming part of the EU also plays a great part on this. However, this will attract great criticism from Spain’s EU partners, who point at the dangerous precedent of integrating a non-european territory with great muslim population- in regards to the Turkish question- and the great development gap between the Zone and the rest of the EU. Right wing radicals, who until then had praised Spain for cracking hard on the moors are now scared that Spain is introducing a muslim territory on the EU. The UK is also opposed, since Spain would be now controlling both sides of the Straits, although with both countries being allied, that is a minor problem.

All in all, the civilians’ attitude towards Spain slowly goes towards a better mood. The occupation authorities have a harder time in rural zones such as El Horra where there were the tougher combats and bombardments, since most civilian victims were concentrated there. However, in the cities; where old men still remember the times of the Protectorate, the general attitude changes slowly to favouring integration in Spain.

In September 2007, and by a narrow margin, voters of the Zone approve being incorporated into Spain as an autonomous community. There is a great outcry in Morocco and the rest of the arab world, but little can be done since it was a provision at the peace treaty. Rioting, though, reaches levels only seen during the war. Due to European pressure, the Zone is not immediately incorporated into EU territory. Instead, a 10-year transition term will pass during which the Zone’s economy will have to be developed to at least approach EU’s minimals. Autonomy will also be delayed. Spain also compromises with Morocco to keep indefinitely the economical agreements of the Treaty of Ankara.

Another plebiscite in May 2010 approves an Autonomy Statute for the Zone. Voters also approve the name change to Autonomous Community of Tingitania –as suggested by a local school teacher- and a flag inspired in the former flag of Spanish Morocco. Tangiers becomes the capital.

Tingitania will prove to be a burden to Spanish taxpayers for the first years, not becoming a profitable place with a development level akin to that of at least Eastern Europe until well into the 2020’s. Rajoy fails to be reelected in the 2007 election due to Zapatero’s “it’s the economy, stupid” campaign, but the socialists don’t get enough majority. Since politics in TTL are less radicalized than in OTL, a “great coalition” between populars and socialists emerges, with Zapatero as president and former Madrid mayor Ruiz Gallardón as vicepresident.

Illegal immigration will also be a problem. In 2006 the military already starts building a fence like the one already around Ceuta and Melilla, becoming the world’s largest anti-immigration fence behind the US-Mexico one. This will of course attract international criticism.

In France, the 2005 riots are butterflied away, but low-intensity rioting will be more widespread, especially between Moroccan and Algerian origin immigrants. Sarkozy wins in 2007 by a great margin.

In the US, President Bush is widely critiziced for his neutral stance in the conflict. Even his more rightist staunch supporters bash him for not helping Spain in the conflict and for letting Spain do its will after the war. The democrats profit this with an aggressive campaign against the president’s “indecisiveness”. The Republicans lose seats in the 2002 midterm election, although they keep control of both chambers.

The images of the Spanish army entering El Aaiun between a joyous crowd have impressed the president and his asessors. They want to repeat those images at Baghdad. The propaganda movement to start a war against Iraq and topple Saddam by early 2003 is already in full throttle, but the unexpected Straits War will have unpleasant side effects for the US preparations. For once, the US’ arab allies are uncomfortable with a second war against a muslim country in less than 10 months. British PM Tony Blair, also uncomfortable with the general US attitude of “We are supposed to be the country of freedom, we must do better than the Spaniards as soon as possible”, is not very fond of invading Iraq in early 2003 either.

Finally, the US decide to postpone the invasion until September, but this is not enough for Blair, who would have preferred a 2004 or 2005 date. Finally, Britain and Spain will refuse to support the Iraq War, although their stance will be more moderate than the French one. In Europe, only Italy and Poland will openly support the US. Instead of the anti-french slur of OTL, there is a more general anti-european feeling all over the US.

In September 2003, the Cheju Island meeting with the presidents of the US, Australia, Poland and the Republic of Korea ends with an ultimatum to Saddam.

Three days later, Coalition forces invade Irak. The war goes pretty much as in OTL, although there is a two day battle for Baghdad instead of the quick operation in OTL. In November the 1st, President Bush declares the end of the war, and the real war starts. US authorities have prepared better the postwar- after all, they’ve seen the incidents in the Zone under Spanish occupation- but soon the situation overcomes them and Iraq becomes the same fucked up place it is in OTL.

With the Iraq war going later than in OTL, Syria does not mess with Lebanese politicians and there is no Cedar Revolution in 2005. This butterflies away the 2006 war between Israel and Hizbollah.

Al Qaeda terrorism tries to target Europe even harder than in OTL. As soon as September 2002, Osama Bin Laden makes a call to expel the “crusaders” from northern Africa. For the following years, European polices foil dozens of terrorist plots, although they can’t prevent succesfull attacks in Berlin in 2004, London in 2005 and Lyon in 2009.

During the first two decades of the century, the EU, especially Spain and France, will develop a greater interest in North Africa. With Morocco and Sahara becoming de facto Spanish satellites, and Algeria developing stronger ties with the EU, Europe has a greater interest in a more stable continent. In 2003 the Principe de Asturias is deployed to Liberia to support the US peacekeeping force. Shortly after, Legion troops will be deployed in Ivory Coast along with French soldiers to enforce the ceasefire. EU Military and diplomatic pressure will force an uneasy peace in Ivory Coast by 2004 .In 2008 HISAR also signs a deal with the Mauritanian government to start oil prospections in the Mauritanian desert.


The PoD is too nearby to us to make technology significantly different, but the brief straits war will cause some changes on Internet culture. The Keyhole Earth Viewer enjoys a great success during the war as people wants to see the combat zones. This leads to the enterprise being bought by Google in early 2003 and Google releasing Google World 1.0 in December 2003- TTL’s equivalent of Google Earth.

The demand of live video footage of combats during the war also will start the revolution of flash-based streaming video earlier than OTL. In TTL Youtube never arises to prominence, having been overcome by other streaming video sites already successful by late 2004.

In general, the world of 2010 in TTL is slightly different from ours, with a greater transatlantic divide between the US and Europe, and a greater divide in the muslim world between pro and anti western states.

THE END
 

Goldstein

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A great coalition between psoe and pp?? but that would generate a lot of problems, and it would have the same effect as if we were a de facto single-party state. Not that i'm the greatest democracy fan, but that option is plain worse, and I doubt that people would react well to this.
 
A great coalition between psoe and pp?? but that would generate a lot of problems, and it would have the same effect as if we were a de facto single-party state. Not that i'm the greatest democracy fan, but that option is plain worse, and I doubt that people would react well to this.

I intended it as an analogy to OTL's great coalition between SPD and CDU in Germany. Suffice to say that such a coalition in Spain would be very unstable, and wouldn't survive for more than a single term.
 

Goldstein

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I intended it as an analogy to OTL's great coalition between SPD and CDU in Germany. Suffice to say that such a coalition in Spain would be very unstable, and wouldn't survive for more than a single term.

I see. In spite of my previous critique, I've enjoyed a lot all this timeline. Too bad all good things come to an end...
 
Re-reading the epilogue, I have a couple of doubts:

-Would the US have gone to Iraq without the Brits? If so, would the iraqi situation have been better or worse?

-Would this EU more interested in North Africa have a more active stance in Darfur? When I started writing I intended an EU intervention in Darfur around 2010, analog to OTL intervention in Bosnia: EU planes operating from Niger and Chad supporting african troops on the ground. I decided to write it off because it sounded too far-fetched; but, would something similar be plausible in this timeline?
 
Firstly, this is a very good tl.:D

I have my doubts over the Iraq war though. I feel you have made the assumption that Blair and the Brits only backed the US, to be on the winning team as it were.

If I wasnt so lazy I'd hunt out some of Blairs speeches from the mid-nineties on the subject. The man is a hawk, and believed in the invasion. In OTL, he nearly lost his position because of it, and it has marked his reputation greatly.

In addition to this by going seperate ways with the US on Iraq, you would probably see an end to joint intelligence between the UK and the US. Also, a part of the intel which gave way to the Iraq war came from MI6.

In short, I dont think its plausible to have a Tony Blair led Government oppose the Iraq war, which is a shame(in terms of domestic UK politics)as it cast a long shadow over his premiership for a lot of people. As it was, Blair went with what he thought was right. I doubt even under such circumstances you would change this.

The US might have gone in without the British, but I doubt it.

With regards to Darfur, in terms of intervention, sadly I think not.

One aspect of this timeline I find very interesting is it would create a Spain with more self-confidence, with Aznar becomining something of a Spanish Thatcher, coming into conflict with the other EU leaders over issues with regards to EU status of Spanish territory.
 
what about the future of the Sahawri republic?

Explained in the Epilogue.

I enjoyed reading this, thumbs up!

Thank you :cool:

Firstly, this is a very good tl.:D

I have my doubts over the Iraq war though. I feel you have made the assumption that Blair and the Brits only backed the US, to be on the winning team as it were.

If I wasnt so lazy I'd hunt out some of Blairs speeches from the mid-nineties on the subject. The man is a hawk, and believed in the invasion. In OTL, he nearly lost his position because of it, and it has marked his reputation greatly.

In addition to this by going seperate ways with the US on Iraq, you would probably see an end to joint intelligence between the UK and the US. Also, a part of the intel which gave way to the Iraq war came from MI6.

In short, I dont think its plausible to have a Tony Blair led Government oppose the Iraq war, which is a shame(in terms of domestic UK politics)as it cast a long shadow over his premiership for a lot of people. As it was, Blair went with what he thought was right. I doubt even under such circumstances you would change this.

The US might have gone in without the British, but I doubt it.

With regards to Darfur, in terms of intervention, sadly I think not.

One aspect of this timeline I find very interesting is it would create a Spain with more self-confidence, with Aznar becomining something of a Spanish Thatcher, coming into conflict with the other EU leaders over issues with regards to EU status of Spanish territory.

Very good points, will adress them in the definitive version of the Timeline that should be up whenever the mods at the TL subforum approve it.
 
Some of these events that might be changed, or alternatively could have happened exactly as OTL since the butterflies probably won't flutter as far-

* The election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran and all that entails.
* Hamas winning in Palestine, leading to the split of Palestine between Gaza and the West Bank.

I think that with a different Iraq War, there's a lot of room there for slight changes. Especially since Europe seems somewhat more militarized internally to deal with immigrant riots and terrorist attacks.
 
Very interesting TL. I realy enjoyed reading it.
It looks very plausible
You mentioned unrest en riots in French cities. I wonder if the riots were not on a larger scale and extended to almost all major West European cities. Just remember the reaction on some cartoons made in Denmark by radical Muslim civilians.
 

Chris

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Very interesting TL. I realy enjoyed reading it.
It looks very plausible
You mentioned unrest en riots in French cities. I wonder if the riots were not on a larger scale and extended to almost all major West European cities. Just remember the reaction on some cartoons made in Denmark by radical Muslim civilians.

Yes. This is likerly to be a great deal worse and force the europeans to actually deal with the problem rather than just hoping it would go away. Iraq is halfway around the world; this is right on Europe's doorstep. Spanish opinion is not likerly to be keen on inviting more immigrents if the result is rioting.

Chris
 
Hello Dr Strangelove. It has seemed me very good and interesting this history. :)
It has liked me a lot, in spite of some errors of content and of data. I expect that you follow writing histories of so much quality.

Greetings.

PD: Forgive if it does not understand this message but I am Spanish and I am realizing the translation by an automatic translator.
 
Thanks for your appreciation, I'm glad you liked this story. I'm sure you'll enjoy No Spanish Civil War even more.

Re-reading this more than one year later, I can see many mistakes and failures, and the ending is definitely too rosy, but it was my first serious AH attempt, and I had a ton of fun while writing it. :)
 
I have another idea; why not make a storyline of a US/Italian/Austrian force invading Libya in 1986?
Wow that is harsh!

All that storyline, all that hard effort and the first post is that!?
How about at least giving your opinion?
Besides US invasions are cliche.

To Dr. Strangelove.
This seems very interesting, I haven't yet, but I am certainly going to read this.

Edit. I read upto day 1 now, and my interest has grown.
I didnt know anything about it, and as it is a bizarre story, it is good that you also indicate the similarities to OTL otherwise I would have found this far fetched ;).
Even though an actual full scale war over this dispute still seems ridiculous, I like the way you steer towards it with small deviations from OTL.
 
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This thread was started in 2007 and its still going. :D

Spain would most likely keep Ceuta and Melilla plus expand into Moroccan territory. The US would not be happy with two of its allies fighting and would most likely try to get everyone back to the pre-war borders. The war would probably end in a week.

If it lasted longer then Spain could invade there former territory of Spanish Sahara and with Saharawi help threaten Southern Morocco. Invading Spanish Sahara they could finally put things right since they tookoff without helping those people establish a nation which they could defend themselves. Same thing happened to Timor when the Portuguese suddenly packed up and left.

And to those that are not sure if the Sahawri are prepared to fight watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj18YIip1c0

In that Video the fighter plane wreck is Moroccan. Also, if they were not good fighters I do not think they would control the following territory. With some Spanish help and plenty of Spanish military equipment they would open up a Southern Front against Morocco.

In this outcome we would see a new nation of Western Sahara and Spain would keep its territories in Northern Morocco. But Morocco would not be occupied. Who knows maybe a Republic would be proclaimed since the Moroccans would not be happy that they lost.
Edit: Going back to other pages found that the OP included a Western Sahara invasion and help from the Sahawri. Thats good. But the part about occupying Morocco would create problems.

western-sahara-map-big.jpg
 
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