A southern victory

Ladies and gentlemen, I have good news and bad news:
Good news: this timeline will eventually be created.
Bad news: Probably not in this thread, though. I just don't think I'm ready yet.
But maybe in this thread we could discuss the foundations and details of a confederate victory, and the country's future and destiny. And with enough time and effort, we can write this timeline together.
I hope you guys aren't mad.
-Levi
 
Ladies and gentlemen, I have good news and bad news:
Good news: this timeline will eventually be created.
Bad news: Probably not in this thread, though. I just don't think I'm ready yet.
But maybe in this thread we could discuss the foundations and details of a confederate victory, and the country's future and destiny. And with enough time and effort, we can write this timeline together.
I hope you guys aren't mad.
-Levi
Well, I think most reasonable people won't be mad at the idea. Although most 21st century folk probably feel it's better that the South lost, the implications of it somehow winning independence are worth exploring.

Though the how and when is important for post-bellum development. A quick victory for it, maybe after 1st Bull Run, could work well. Or perhaps the Union war effort bogs down somehow by 1864 and Lincoln loses the Presidential election then. A series of slightly better battle outcomes for the Confederacy from mid-1862, mainly in the Western theatre, could manage that. Perhaps it takes the union longer to clear the Mississippi or take New Orleans. Then Atlanta might not fall as it did or Sherman March to the Sea before November 1864?

Good luck
 

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It is always better to wait and come out with a well designed effort than a haphazard one, especially on a subject that will involve a time period where there are many people with extensive knowledge.
 
Creating a thread in the wrong subforum isn't a kickable offence. Don't worry.

Just report your own post and ask a mod to take it to Before 1900.

Yeah, I have made that mistake It happens from time to time. If you did it all the time you might be in trouble but the mods know mistakes happen.
 
It's a bit late right now.
I would've worked on the TL, but school's been keeping me busy.
Will probably have to wait for a while...maybe by the weekend I'll put out something.

Thanks for the advice! I think I'll make it that the CSA succeeded on capturing Washington DC, resulting in a complete union surrender.

Unless God himself comes down and strikes down the boys in blue I can't see how that could happen. The taking of DC is widely considered a "Confederate Sealion".
 
ANNOUNCEMENT:
It seems you guys are eager for how to get this southern victory, though I know nothing about battle tactics.
So...
What about a situation where the south exits the union, but something has weakened the U.S government so much that it can't stop them? I don't know exactly what yet, but saying what you guys have been saying in the comments it definitely won't be aliens.
Any ideas?
 

ben0628

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Unless God himself comes down and strikes down the boys in blue I can't see how that could happen. The taking of DC is widely considered a "Confederate Sealion".

Actually, there was a very heated discussion about a month or two ago about a possible raid on D.C. by Jubal Early in 1864. Many people argued it was possible (just as many people if not more said it was asb).
 

ben0628

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I would like to add though, it would merely be a raid and you cannot force the US government to surrender by capturing D.C.
 
I would like to add though, it would merely be a raid and you cannot force the US government to surrender by capturing D.C.

Exactly, personally I think even a raid is ASB but capturing it would clearly be ASB. The Japanese were clearly able to raid Hawaii (As they did so OTL) but that is a long way from saying they could actually take Hawaii, which is ASB.
 
ANNOUNCEMENT:
It seems you guys are eager for how to get this southern victory, though I know nothing about battle tactics.
So...
What about a situation where the south exits the union, but something has weakened the U.S government so much that it can't stop them? I don't know exactly what yet, but saying what you guys have been saying in the comments it definitely won't be aliens.
Any ideas?

The two most likely ways (both pretty unlikely but face it Southern victory was pretty unlikely with all the cards stacked against them)
1) GB actually intervenes (recognition is not enough) on behalf of the CSA. The problem is GB was very abolitionist by this time so it is hard to pull off.
2) Jubal Early doesn't back-stab Joe Johnston and make up fictitious troops so he actually attacks when ordered and Johnston is able to stall Sherman long enough for Little Mac to be elected. The problem there is that you probably have to stall Grant as well and likely have to kill off McClellan as he was a War Democrat.
 
I would like to add though, it would merely be a raid and you cannot force the US government to surrender by capturing D.C.
What about a better performance (stalemate) West before the raid? That way it'd look like the South stopped them yet again, plus are still strong enough to raid DC.
 
Probably the most likely scenario. If he wants to keep it realistic he has to realize the CSA is going to be in worse shape as the Reconstruction South. This is because
1) The CSA is going to actually have to pay back its debts unlike OTL
2) The states are going to actually have to pay back their debt unlike OTL
3) The CSA is stuck using its own very weak currency instead of the US dollar.
4) The inflation rate is going to be sky high unlike OTL.
5) Interest rates are going to be much higher than OTL
6) No money is pouring in from the North as there is no Reconstruction.

Basically the South is coming out of the war a complete economic wreck, even worse than OTL when it was supported by the North. As you probably remember in my TL it winds up an economic colony of the USA.
 
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