A South WITHOUT Black Slavery/Oppression?

My question is thus; is there any way, with a pre-1776 POD, for the Southern United States to not only disenfranchise That Institution (while still seceding from Great Britain along with the other states), but also to see blacks as inherently equal to whites outside of perceived cultural differences*? The main idea I've had is for partus sequitur ventrem to never be enacted by the House of Burgesses in 1662, either due to the existence of alternate means of manual labor (e.g. more indentured servitude amongst the Africans brought overseas) or greater Franco-Spanish cultural influence against explicit prejudice on color grounds (as witnessed in New Orleans in the 18th and 19th centuries). Other ideas are, of course, welcome; the key objective of this thread is again not only doing away with slavery, but also dispensing as much as possible with the racism aspect as well.

*By this, I mean perhaps still pushing Christianity or European social mores, but not to the paternalistic degree of OTL.
 
A real nasty idea is to have a huge epidemic in Africa that leaves few slaves to sell and Europeans too scared to buy them due to fear of disease.
 
What if instead of shipping over slaves, they instead just used the "homegrown" ones? Throw shackles on the native Americans already there and you're in business.
 
What if instead of shipping over slaves, they instead just used the "homegrown" ones? Throw shackles on the native Americans already there and you're in business.

That's what the Spaniards did. It didn't take very long for them to realize that forcing natives to do your bidding wasn't a very smart idea. The same will happen since the natives are few in number and would die out for the most part.
 
What if instead of shipping over slaves, they instead just used the "homegrown" ones? Throw shackles on the native Americans already there and you're in business.

Actually, a sadly obscured part of canadian (and maybe USA) history was that there WAS natives slaves... Slavery existed before the whites came, and in New France, courreurs des bois and other traders found about it, and started a slavery market.... There was 2-3 times native slaves for black ones I think, and they where cheaper. 'Panisses' in the days they where called, if I was right, word based on the Pawnees nation, target of hate and envy...

It was never to british south colonies/US's levels, though.
 
What if instead of shipping over slaves, they instead just used the "homegrown" ones? Throw shackles on the native Americans already there and you're in business.

IIRC attempts to enslave the Native Americans led either to said slaves dying out from European diseases, or increased attacks by their still-free tribesmen.
 
IIRC attempts to enslave the Native Americans led either to said slaves dying out from European diseases, or increased attacks by their still-free tribesmen.

Actually, it worked to a point in New France...

Peoples forget, (a form of) slavery was known to precolumbian cultures. Sadly.
 
True enough, for one the Aztecs seemed to enslaved the local tribes quite a bit.

Getting back to the OP, would my proposed POD work? If not, then perhaps a difference earlier than that in establishing the local economy, perhaps one that isn't conducive to using slavery (less plantation culture?).
 
Maybe a big war between England and Spain that involves a lot of raiding in the South. Have the wars end in the 1720s-1730s and the southern colonies aren't very well established by the time the Abolitionist Movement takes off in England and then the Northern states. The ARW was around the same time. Of course you would have different leaders of the revolution and all sorts of butterflies but that might do it.
 
as to the op have the break away religions, mainly the Shakers and Quakers but the puritans can help too, go to the southern colonies. the Carolina colony was a buffer for VA, and GA for SC have them get sent there instead of PEEN. and i can see slavery progress slower and could be ended short after the revolution. it would most likely be forced indentured servitude. there would still be racism but would be closer to up north in the 1930's. De facto be not de jure segregation cupolaed with elitism, but inferentially better than OTL.

i don't know what it would take to have true equality that early though:(
 
That's not a bad idea; I had also been playing with the idea of wider settlement of the South by Catholics, at least in the Deep South (maybe that combined with higher emphasis on industry in the Upper South could do for the OP).

For some reason or another, former French and Spanish colonies didn't seem to have the same level of cruelty or malice toward non-whites as was evident in the former British colonies. I'm not saying there wasn't racism there at all, but it's pretty startling to me just how fast that kind of mentality seemed to fade away in particular once those colonies gained independence. For example, the taboo on interracial relationships was way more muted in places like Louisiana and French Canada than, say, Georgia or the Carolinas.
 
if Bacon's rebellion goes the other way, you could affectively end slavery and indentured servitude in the South, but that will fundamentally change the history in the region, and there might very well never be a USA.

Likewise, there could be no Bacon's Rebellion, and indentured servitude remains the norm, not Black slavery.
 

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How about a Christian African state that operates as a stop for the Atlantic trade routes, and settlers from there often hitch rides to America?
 
I'd forgotten about Bacon! Indeed, according to some sources, that was a key aspect to the hardening of race relations in the colony (and as a result down the line, the South). Perhaps if Thomas Mathews dies on the way to the colony, and therefore the cause of the discontent leading up to the rebellion gets pre-empted, we might see a somewhat different culture of yeoman farmers (to the apparent inclusion of poor blacks and former indentured servants) being more influential than IOTL.
 
How about a Christian African state that operates as a stop for the Atlantic trade routes, and settlers from there often hitch rides to America?

I also really like this idea; as unrealistic as it is, I'd love for the OP to be accomplished without drastically altering the demographics of the colonies...in other words, still have black settlement in the future US without the hatred and/or injustice that seems to be omnipresent in most TLs including this region. The main problem with this idea, however, was the prominence of Islam in West Africa (where the vast majority of slaves came from) made a Christian kingdom in the region difficult (though not impossible) to have happen. Maybe kingdoms in what became Nigeria (which IIRC is about half Christian) or Angola would produce most of these settlers?
 
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