Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Planita13, May 18, 2019.
Wait a minute...
I'm sorry Jon
so here's the worlda for all countries i am aware of: america, zapadoslava, and mexico. i am unsure of the borders for mexico, but so far this is an interesting tl.
Oh wow thanks! Yep that is all I covered so far, although I did mention offhand that Hawaii is (kinda) independent. I'm glad that you enjoy my timeline
I actually don't know when I should make the world map. I have some ideas on what the world looks like, mostly focusing on a few areas. Right now I'm debating on the direction I should take the TL. Would you guys like to see a world map soon?
Why is Zapadoslavia in Pomerania? Thought most ppl put it in Poland/Czechia, around that area.
This entire timeline's looking good tho! Hoping to see a full world, even if nothing much changes.
Go read the text below the infobox on Zapadoslavia, it explains why.
maybe a vector world map so i can adapt it into worlda. i'd like to add notes to that too
James Wallace has emerged as the front-runner in the National Union Primary, decisively winning several states on Super Tuesday including his home state of Virginia by a majority and the largest state Texas by a significant plurality. Wallace likely would have achieved another majority win if it was not for the Southern Liberal candidate, Dale Jones sweeping Eastern Texas. Once again Wallace's populist platform of promoting state interventionism to protect American industry, proved to be very popular across the state. He won the support of a majority of working class and lower middle class Whites, Hispanics, and African Americans. The greatest indication of his success was his win in Hidalgo County, home to an urbanized population thus and a traditional metric for the support of the Liberals in Texas. A Christian Labor win in Hidalgo, served as a high water mark for the Liberal support outside of urban upper middle class counties.
Another indication was Dale Jone's sweep of Eastern Texas whose saw broad support from people in the westernmost extension of the Deep South. While the Constitutional Liberty Party were banned from participating, the Southern wing of the National Union still could. In the eastern rural counties, the election became a competition between James Wallace and Dale Jones. Jones' platform of essentially being the new face of the South as a modern, moderate candidate appealed to many in the Deep South.
Benjamin Sanders again showed off his strength by winning almost ten percent of the vote in a southern state, a first for a leftist candidate. Along with wins in Wisconsin and Colorado Sanders has cemented himself as a major contender and likely a major force in the Convention in October.
I have to figure out the dates, so it will change
Yeah that was the original plan. I estimate that I could finish it in a month or so.
The Pacific Cooperation Organization (PACCO), also known as the Pacific Pact is an intergovernmental organisation of 16 members states and 8 associated members largely centered around the Pacific Ocean. Originally an American-led bloc of satellite states, it has since evolved into a free and equal community directed by the PACCO Secretariat, although the United States still has significant influence. The organization promotes cooperation through the Common Economy, a free trade bloc, the Common Security, a conflict prevention group, and the Common Defence, a collective military organization.
The formal peace treaty with Japan ending the Pacific War was signed in 1955, freeing Japan’s former colonies and putting the Home Islands under American occupation. The origin of PACCO begins in 1958, when the new governments established by the United States signed the Pacific Charter, declaring the principles of self-determination and self-governance, international cooperation to improve economic and social conditions, and the end of aggressive wars. The charter was not only aimed at the defeated militarists in Japan, but also European powers who saw their far east colonies not returned to them after Japanese control was wrestled away. While relations with Europe were seriously damaged, the nationalist movements and the governments that they founded became largely pro-American. The Pacific Community, the predecessor to PACCO, was founded that year as an American dominated free trade organization.
In 1985, the United States conceded to demands from Japan and Korea to delegate administrative duties to an independent Secretariat and the decision-making process was revised to be based on common consensus. Since then, the scope of the organization continued to expand and further economic integration. The current organization was formally founded in 2000, with the singing of the Manila Treaty, reorganizing the former Community into a free and equal organization. The treaty further expanded and reorganized PACCO’s purpose into three broad agencies:
Common Economy: A trade bloc, free trade zone, and common monetary system. It intertwines the economies of the member states by reducing trade barriers between the states, addressing intellectual property theft, and improving market access. In addition it organizes a common monetary policy through the Pacific Currency Board, who sets exchange rates and monetary value of the currencies of member states.
Common Security: A national security oriented group concerned with civil rights, conflict prevention, crisis management, and post-conflict rehabilitation in member states. Notable affairs it addresses are stopping the illegal spread of weapons, preventing conflict, coordinate disaster response, and ending human trafficking.
Common Defense: While it is not a conventional military alliance, it promotes military cooperation and coordination instead. It on provides intelligence to combat international espionage and terrorism through information sharing and cooperation between domestic intelligence and law enforcement agencies. It also coordinates large scale military exercises on land and sea to increase military readiness and experience in combat operations. It also maintains a newly formed common peacekeeping force.
The accession of new member states in the Americas, Asia, and Oceania since the signing of the Manila Treaty has further expanded the power of the Organization. Today, its full members cover more than 32,990,082 thousand square kilometers spanning three continents. In 2018, it has an estimated population of 1.11 billion people contributing a combined Gross Domestic Product of 42.08 trillion dollars. Associated members only participate in some sections of the Organization, although they may gain full membership in the future.
A Pacific war in the early 50s? Did it involve a lot of nuclear weapons?
So I notice China is excluded from PACCO. What's going on there? Were they involved in the Pacific War?
So its a setup that is stronger than NATO but not as far as the EU. Also what is this about a common monetary system?
No not at all. The official peace deal was signed in 1955, but the most of the war was in the late 1940s. It was a pretty slow grind and while yes nuclear weapons were used, they used only three tactically.
Yeah they were involved like OTL, suffering the most casualties as they fought the longest time. These days they aren't particularly pleasant to deal with economically with the extreme amount of corruption, economic mismanagement, and political intrigue. It's a very weak democracy and usually too much of a pain to deal with.
Kinda yea since it has stronger economic links and but weaker defense ties. For the common monetary policy, its based upon the OTL Bretton Woods system. OTL the US Dollar used the Gold Standard with the Canadian Dollar and the UK Pound tied to the dollar. TTL the Dollar is still the base currency for the agreement, but the exchange rates between all the currencies will be will be decided by the Pacific Monetary Board. This avoids fluctuations in currency value and countries purposely devaluing their currency for an edge in trade like what OTL China is doing with the Yuan.
Status Update: this is likely the end of daily updates for this TL as I've decided that I should aim for quality over quantity. If I decide that something is good enough to post on that day I will do so, but I'm no longer going to rush to update daily.
based on this post, i can conclude the existence of these countries.
there are some questions left unanswered, such as brunei and singapore, and i also did not include the internal subdivisions of everyone but america.
Piece by piece
I appreciate your interest and support here!
American industrialization grew explosively following the Civil War, but serious social divisions, similar to what was found in Europemanifested. Pre-industrial United States had relative social equality, at least compared to Europe, but by the end of the 19th century, a widening gap separated the classes. In Andrew Carnegie’s Homestead steel plant near Pittsburgh, employees worked everyday except Christmas and fourth of July, usually for twelve hours a day. In Manhattan, the destination for many European immigrants, became full of overcrowded buildings with four families and two toilets on each floor. To some, the contrast was a betrayal of American ideals while others saw it as a natural outcome of competition and the “survival of the fittest.”
As elsewhere, such conditions were ripe for many labor protests, the formation of unions, and strikes, sometimes leading to violence. In 1883, when the eastern railroads announced a 10 percent wage cut for their workers, strikes disrupted rail service across the eastern half of the country, smashed equipment, and rioted. State militias and federal troops battled striking workers over the course of over two months in cities across the country. It was the bloodiest period of civil unrest since the Civil War, killing over two hundred people and tens of millions in damages. Class consciousness and class conflict were intense in the industrial America of the late nineteenth and early 20th century.
Unlike many European countries, however, no major political party emerged to specifically represent the interests working class. Nor the radical ideals of Marxism draw significant support although socialist ideals swayed many. Nevertheless only the labor wing of the National Union emerged as a prominent force during the Progressive Era, propelling reformer Theodore Roosevelt to the Presidency in 1904. Even during that time, they struggled with the moderate faction of the party and infighting among themselves. No united movement of workers emerged to champion industrial workers until the Great Recovery sparked by the Pacific War. How might we explain this distinctive feature of American industrial development?
One answer lies in the relative conservatism of the major American union organizations which continues to this day. The largest unions, such as the American Labor Federation focused on moderate skilled workers over more radical unskilled laborers. While it limited its power in politics and prevented a unified front from forming, it helped avoid the unions being labeled as dangerous revolutionaries by the american public. Furthermore, the United States is a nation of immigrants and there were much larger religious, ethnic, and racial divisions compared to the homogeneous populations of most European countries. Catholics and Protestants; English, RIsh, Germans, Slavs, Jews, and Italians; white and black; Californios and Anglos; these differences undermined the class solidarity of American workers, making it much more difficult to sustain a class-oriented political parties and a socialist labor movement. Many different labor organizations were a part of the labor wing of the National Union, who often had to cooperate with each other first before negotiating with the rest of the party. Finally, the country’s industrial growth generated on average a higher standard of living for American workers than their European counterparts experienced. By 1920, white collar workers in sales, services, and offices, outnumbered factory workers. While they were often members of these conservative unions, their middle-class aspirations dampered radicalism.
Other political challenges to the abuses of capitalist industrialization did arise. Populists who railed against banks, industrialists, monopolies, the existing currency system, and the political establishment found broad support from small farmers. The Progressives led by Theodore Roosevelt and backed by the unions pushed for specific reforms, such as wages-and-hours legislations, better sanitation standards, antitrust laws, and increased regulations. What cemented the power of the labor organizations in the economy and in the National Union was the recovery from the Great Depression. For a span of nearly twenty years from 1926 to 1942, the average unemployment rate consistently hovered around 10%. While the numbers of unions actually decreased during the Depression itself, it concentrated the remaining workers into a few remaining ones. When the Great Recovery began, sparked by the declaration of war on Japan, the surviving labor unions were poised to greatly benefit from the influx of workers. From then on the conservative labor movement became the backbone of the American economy and the foundation of National Union.
The economic bust and boom had largely ended the previously fractured labor organizations, although racial divides were still present, especially in the south. Nevertheless by 1950, there were three major federations of multi-trade labor unions, the National Association of Labor, the Union of Industrial Organizations, and the Reform with Solidarity Coalition. Despite their fierce rivalries and disagreements on how labor should be organized, all supported the National Union and usually the same candidates. In 1965, the three organizations founded the United Congress of American Labor or UCAL, an organization consisting of representatives from the major labor groups to promote cooperation to pursue a common goal.
Today the labor organizations hold significant political power by their sheer size; it is estimated that over half of the workers in the United States are unionized. A typical unionized worker is part of a regional and a national trade union, which in turn, is a member of one of the three national federations. Since its formation, the United Congress has evolved into the political arm and the consensus-building body of the American labor movement. It is governed by an Assembly consisting of elected representatives from its member labor organizations who elects a Chairman who presides over the Assembly and an Executive Committee. Originally meant to be an advisory body, it now directs the member unions' general policies and activities for state and federal elections. As a result it is one of the most powerful political organizations in the United States today.
Since the 1976 Presidential Election, the National Congress has endorsed Presidential candidates or directly nominated a candidate to stand in the National Union Primary. For the 2016 Presidential Election Abigal Kennedy was nominated by the UCAL Assembly in a smooth process when the second place candidate, Richard Klopp, withdrew with his loss on the third ballot. However Abigail Kennedy suffered the worst result for any candidate backed by the Labor Congress, gaining only 15% of the primary vote.
Edited: 20 June
Californian Spanish (Californio Español), also known as Californian, is a distinct dialect of Spanish spoken in the US state of California and some other states. It is the only official language of California, and a recognized minority language in the state of Eureka. It uses the Spanish alphabet. Californian Spanish is distinctive from Mexican Spanish due to English, Chinese, and Native American influence.
Californian Spanish first originated with the first Spanish settlements on the shores of the Gran Lago in the early 18th century. Missionaries established missions and other settlements around the Gran Lago in order to convert the local Native Americans. While native languages were suppressed in favor of Spanish, interactions between the natives and settlers such as intermarriage, influenced the latter. Further immigration from Mexico arrived in the mid-18th century, attracted by the prospect of gold. The Spanish language became a cornerstone of Californian national identity, especially after the First Republic was annexed by the United States in 1858. Nevertheless the English-speaking military government and substantial Chinese immigration during the later half of the 19th century, influenced the development of the language.
Today, Californian Spanish is widely spoken across California and to a limited extent in other West Coast states. Los Angeles County has the greatest number of speakers at 6.1 million people. Loreto County in Baja California has the greatest proportion of Spanish speakers with over 85% knowing it as a first language and 24% as their only language. The counties that border Eureka and Arizona have the lowest Hispanophone populations in California. Campo Sur has the lowest with only 30% speaking Spanish as their first language. Spanish is widely promoted by the Californian government and academia as a central tenant of Californian identity, to the detriment of English usage. The place of English in California continues to be a hot political issue in the state, the Popular Movement government has recently voted to strip state funding for English only-private schools. The Citizens of California party meanwhile opposes this measures and seeks to add English as a second official language.
There are many distinct differences that separates Californian Spanish for other dialects of Spanish. The most notable English influence is that in Californian Spanish, the adjective is placed before the noun in all cases, much unlike other Spanish dialects. For the most part, the vocabulary is mostly of Spanish origin, but there is a significant number of loanwords from other languages. English loanwords are commonly found in legal and political jargon, Chinese loanwords for some foodstuffs and concepts, and even some words from Cahuilla. It is estimated that over 16 million people speak Californian Spanish at home.
No remnant British territories or any sort of pseudo-Commonwealth sticking around, eh?
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