A Shift in Priorities

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You funny guy, Faust. I kill you last. *sharpens knives*

But c'mon bro . . . I was talking about a relatively peaceful thing. Like a North American equivalent of that Anchlusss . . . Churchill! Make it happen! C'mon, guy! Talk Canada into accepting such a union!

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Also . . . Seriously . . . Fuck Mittelafrika.
 
You funny guy, Faust. I kill you last. *sharpens knives*

But c'mon bro . . . I was talking about a relatively peaceful thing. Like a North American equivalent of that Anchlusss . . . Churchill! Make it happen! C'mon, guy! Talk Canada into accepting such a union!

*pulls out .22, and gets together with redneck buddies*:pOk, ok, ok, I do admit it that it would be cool to see a North-South American superstate!:D Only if it is free though, and has the liberties of the founding fathers.
 
*pulls out .22, and gets together with redneck buddies*:pOk, ok, ok, I do admit it that it would be cool to see a North-South American superstate!:D Only if it is free though, and has the liberties of the founding fathers.

One small problem, William Gibbs McAdoo. Another problem, J. Edger Hoover. Potentially the ultimate problem, Douglas MacArthur.
 
One small problem, William Gibbs McAdoo. Another problem, J. Edger Hoover. Potentially the ultimate problem, Douglas MacArthur.

Oh yeah, and I see that as a huge obstacle in this potential achievement. First of all, besides that, Britain would not take this lying down, and with Germany starting to get really annoyed with how the US is acting so stupid. So annexation of Canada, I don't think it will happen because of the Euro alliance.
 
They might be annoyed but they'd probably do fuck all to stop it if, as I suggested, Churchill were somehow able to convince Canada to willingly join with America.

I'm not suggesting conquest.

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And maybe I'm wrong/misremembering but . . . I thought the UK no longer had any actual control over any of it's Dominions in the wake of the civil war?

I mean fuck . . . Was it not Canada that accepted the "refugees" who had opposed the Socialists? (Seriously, I can't remember if Churchill and those who were loyal to him fled to Canada or America . . I'd assume Canada since I could swear Churchill has influence in Canada post-civil war.)
 
I know that the Canadians are absolutely fierce in regards to their sovereignty. Plus there is the awareness that it would not be a relationship of equals. The Canadians would end up being marginalized within their own country.
 
I know that the Canadians are absolutely fierce in regards to their sovereignty. Plus there is the awareness that it would not be a relationship of equals. The Canadians would end up being marginalized within their own country.

Well it's safe to say that it wouldn't be like adding a state to the American flag. It would be more like NATO except militarily and economical. Which Canada could very well support considered the attack by the Franco-Canadians. Whose to say soon in the TL we see there was more to it than the small fringe American terrorists which seems to be IMO what rast was leaning toward. Also there was an update about Churchill supporting a sort of union between the US and Canada. Which would probably as I said be a combination of both NATO and the EU but Americanized.
 
Yes we love our sovereignty! However I think Shogo is right, that Canada accepted refugees from Britain, but only so they would not be looked at as the next US conquest for supporting socialists, the enemy of all that is America.
 
Everybody should believe in something; I believe I’ll have another drink.
(Igor F. Matutin)

They never had a chance of escape. – The overloaded fruit truck that had broken down and blocked the road appeared to be a piece of local normality, but suddenly turned out to be a trap, when Vira R. Rodchenkova and Fajga Mandlstajn approached in Vira’s brandnew blue and ivory Cord L-29 Phaeton.
The Okhrana captor team took no risk. Staring into the barrel mouths of six Thompson submachine guns, Vira and Fajga could do nothing but raise their hands.

While Vira, accompanied by her frightful ‘uncle’ and his two sinister ‘servants’, was busy collecting all her money in reverse transactions, selling her hacienda, her car and her jewelry, Fajga, who had quickly been identified as the woman seen together with Leon Trotsky in 1925, was relentlessly interrogated in the basement of the hacienda.

Vira’s attempt to seduce her ‘uncle’ and slip away only resulted in a severe whipping of her bare ass – and her being handcuffed to her bed at night. The Okhrana agents seemed to be immune to female allurement, but they obviously were not under order to let her ‘disappear’. So, there still might be hope…

Confronted with the Okhrana’s supreme art of interrogation, Fajga broke down on the third day and told her tormentors everything she knew. While the details of Ephraim Sklyansky’s operations in the Americas certainly were interesting, the inquisitors finally had to accept that Fajga had seen Trotsky for the last time in 1925 when they had separated after their escape from Odessa. Nevertheless, one always appreciated new information – and everything Fajga had to tell about Frajln Wach, Emma Goldman, her tour in the Spanish Civil war, and life in the Heymshtot was duly committed to paper.

The voyage back to Russia was not quite as delightful as the Zeppelin trip from Berlin to Buenos Aires had been. The Okhrana team preferred a reefer ship going directly to St. Petersburg. Vira, who had become Lera Bobkova again, and Fajga were kept in isolation in separate cabins. All the time, Fajga wondered why she hadn’t been eliminated; after all, she was not the target of the operation – and had no value for the Russians. Lera fell into deep depression, all her achievements had been destroyed, all her tricks had been unsuccessful; she was reduced to a frail and vulnerable girl at the mercy of her captors.

In St. Petersburg, General Mikhail N. Diterikhs awaited them. He was deeply satisfied. Almost all the money Bobkova had churned for leaving alone the Tsarevich had been retrieved, and Lera and her bodyguard now were at his mercy. Hearing the report of the team leader, Diterikhs soon realized that Bobkova never would become reliable. He had toyed with the idea of employing her in his division of the Okhrana, but that obviously wouldn’t work; she would run away on the next best occasion…

Two hours later, Lera Bobkova was on her way to Siberia. There was a vast demand for fresh whores in the camps of the workers constructing the second main railway line; right there Bobkova would come in handy…

Mandlstajn was quite something else entirely: a highly trained agent and killer wasting her time working for a female escort service! She was not a selfish and unreliable child like Bobkova, but a true and experienced professional in Diterikhs’ trade. One had to keep her in custody and bludgeon her until she was convinced that working for the Okhrana was the best thing that could happen to her.

The Imperial Family had hired the German medical doctor and psychotherapist Alfred Adler and the neurologist and psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud to come and cure the Tsarevich. Diterikhs thought that this was quite a waste of time and money. Some eager luscious Russian wenches would have been a much better cure for the boy, but the Tsarina would not tolerate unchastity in her family…

Whistling, Diterikhs, an elegant and dashing man, decided that unchastity was not a bad idea. There were some posh and handsome ladies of high standing, who had not joined the general rush to Moscow, around in St. Petersburg. One or two of them certainly would be keen to join him in a little celebration…
 
Mandlstajn was quite something else entirely: a highly trained agent and killer wasting her time working for a female escort service! She was not a selfish and unreliable child like Bobkova, but a true and experienced professional in Diterikhs’ trade. One had to keep her in custody and bludgeon her until she was convinced that working for the Okhrana was the best thing that could happen to her.

He very much underestimates the Frajln Wach, i am pretty certain that it has close ties to the secret service of the heijmshtot. Wondering how this will come back to haunt him.
Or considering the situation in the heijmshtot, how it will come back to haunt Isaak Teitelbaum for sacrificing own people to the okhrannoye otdelenie (okhrana), because i think they can pull some strings within the heijmshtot, forcing teitelbaum to retreive Mandlstajn.
 
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He very much underestimates the Frajln Wach, i am pretty certain that it has close ties to the secret service of the heijmshtot. Wondering how this will come back to haunt him.
Or considering the situation in the heijmshtot, how it will come back to haunt Isaak Teitelbaum for sacrificing own people to the okhrannoye otdelenie (okhrana), because i think they can pull some strings within the heijmshtot, forcing teitelbaum to retreive Mandlstajn.

Yap, I also think that he made a big error here.
He should dispose permanently both of them right away.
;)
 

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Everybody should believe in something; I believe I’ll have another drink.
(Igor F. Matutin)

While Vira, accompanied by her frightful ‘uncle’ and his two sinister ‘servants’, was busy collecting all her money in reverse transactions, selling her hacienda, her car and her jewelry,

Almost all the money Bobkova had churned for leaving alone the Tsarevich had been retrieved, /QUOTE]

I consider this as a mistake too.
Why try to get money back?
Simply force Vira that she give their property, numbers of accounts etc. to some Okhrana agents and voila. Who knows when Okhrana might need hazienda in Argentine or some secret funds in banks for conducting black operations abroad...
;)
In meanwhile, you can even make money by renting hazienda if you don't have immediate need for it...

BTW. Really cool Matutin quote.
:)
 
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personally i was also thinking that teitelbaum would get into careerproblems due to this move, the frajln wach is deemed to find out, and then the shit starts for him.

As for Diterikhs, in a while he probably will be found dead somewhere....sans familyjewels, courtesy of the vigilant ladies ;)
 

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personally i was also thinking that teitelbaum would get into careerproblems due to this move, the frajln wach is deemed to find out, and then the shit starts for him.

As for Diterikhs, in a while he probably will be found dead somewhere....sans familyjewels, courtesy of the vigilant ladies ;)

I wouldn't be so sure. The only danger is from personal revenge by Fajga. Not even that is likely. If Fajga ever suceeds to run away, she would most likely to search part of the world that is as far as possible from Russia.

Frajlin Wach is just another private protection company. They work for money and they are based in Heymstot.
To think that they, as a private company, would do something ( as to kill someone really important like heads of Okhrana or Heymstot intelligence ) without LAAARGE pay is naive.
And even then, it would be:
a) sawing the branch on wich you are sitting ( Heymstot )
b) stupid, becaus it would involve them in a war with major intelligence services like Okhrana/Heymstot intelligence

Because, NO private company/private individual, never mind how rich/influential/capable he is ( indeed not even EVEG ) can't go alone against any country ( if she has no support from their mother-country ) and will ultimatly loose the war. Not to mention if such organisation turns against mother-country. This thing in Argentine just proves that.
And Heymstot has no interest in having angry Russia over the border because of few ladies that love to play James Bond.
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yes that is what they are officially, but considering so much of the women they use have a highly trained background. It would be rather shortsighted of the govt of the heijmshtot not to use their capabilities. So I suspect there are ties to the govt.

It is a bit like in otl with the DEA, officially it is just a controlling/lawenforcement organisation, practical it has become yet another secret service within the us.

Teitelbaum might still be in trouble though, if the stance of the heijmshtot towards protecting fellow jews is anything close to that of otl israel, then the sacrificing of mandlstajn will get him into trouble.
 

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Teitelbaum might still be in trouble though, if the stance of the heijmshtot towards protecting fellow jews is anything close to that of otl israel, then the sacrificing of mandlstajn will get him into trouble.

First- I doubt that heymstot and OLT Israel are same thing.
Second- Jew or no-Jew Fajga is less worthy than good relations with Okhrana and jewish spies in Ukraine/Russia. Do not think that even OTL Izrael would put national interests before interest of common citizen, not to mention that common citizen in question is totaly guilty for what did happen to him.;)
 
First- I doubt that heymstot and OLT Israel are same thing.
Second- Jew or no-Jew Fajga is less worthy than good relations with Okhrana and jewish spies in Ukraine/Russia. Do not think that even OTL Izrael would put national interests before interest of common citizen, not to mention that common citizen in question is totaly guilty for what did happen to him.;)

I fully agree. I think that Fraijln Wach may try to liberate her, and I can imagine that they get some helpful information from the Heymshtot secret service to do so, yet very discretely.

Another possibility is that the Heymshtot wants to use this to weaken Okhrana. Say they loose that girl of the tsarevitch again and then she makes her adventures public, say in China...
 
First- I doubt that heymstot and OLT Israel are same thing.
Second- Jew or no-Jew Fajga is less worthy than good relations with Okhrana and jewish spies in Ukraine/Russia. Do not think that even OTL Izrael would put national interests before interest of common citizen, not to mention that common citizen in question is totaly guilty for what did happen to him.;)

Fajga Mandlstajn was doing her job so how is that making her guilty of something. One thing to remember is that Fajga is a warveteran who has rather close ties with Emma Goldman. And her sisters in arms might stir some serious (political) trouble if this comes out.
You keep mentioning the fact that the frajln wach is a private company, but in cases like this there usually is a large grey area where govt & private interests overlap.
The reason why i compared the heijmshtot with otl israel is because it shares a lot of the same founders, so certain behaviour might be the same. OTL israel always has put a lot of effort in the "no man left behind" principle.

good idea monty, it might have some interesting consequences if the tsarevitch finds out the whole story. Instead of suicidal it might make him vengeful toward certain persons/organisations.
 
good idea monty, it might have some interesting consequences if the tsarevitch finds out the whole story. Instead of suicidal it might make him vengeful toward certain persons/organisations.

Right, I forgot about the implications for the tsarevich. I only considered the effects on Okhrana when a little girl first gets so close to the tsarevich, then blackmails some money and gets out of Russia without the Okhrana interfering. Now imagine that the very same little girl gets out of Russia again and sells his story. Should be enough to cost some offices in Okhrana. Given that they do their job very well, actually, that wouldn't benefit them I guess.
 
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