A Revolving Door: America After 2004

on abortion: his policies as governor are definitely anti-abortion

to me that sounds pretty conservative. with a pres. bid in mind he won't come out and say he's pro-choice like he did in late-2006.
Favors abortion rights

Pataki faces major hurdles in Iowa and elsewhere. He is leaving office with less-than-stellar poll numbers and his successor is almost certain to be a Democrat -- not exactly the ideal springboard for a national campaign. Pataki also favors abortion rights, a major strike against him with the social conservatives who traditionally play an outsized role in the Iowa caucuses. Still, The Fix believes that hard work in politics often pays off. And Pataki is working Iowa as hard as anyone at the moment. Source: Chris Cillizza opinion in Washington Post , Jun 15, 2006
Claims he can overcome GOP objection to pro-abortion stance

He’s out of step with most Republicans on the issue of abortion but pro-abortion New York Gov. George Pataki said on Monday he would make a decision about whether he will run for president in 2008 “in the next few weeks.” In comments on the CNN television program “Situation Room,” Pataki claimed he could overcome objection to his pro-abortion stance that prevent previous GOP presidential candidates like Arlen Specter and Pete Wilson from gaining any traction. Source: Steven Ertelt in LifeNews.com , Dec 5, 2006
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Abortion, Immigrant Amnesty, and Gay Rights Endorsed by George Pataki, 2008 GOP Presidential Hopeful

Posted by Jackie Schenone on Jun 21, 2007 | 4 Comments
George Pataki, 2008 GOP presidential hopeful, has been the governor of New York for the last 12 years. He describes himself as pro-choice and has made no effort to restrict abortion rights even going so far as to sign a bill granting Medicaid coverage of RU-486, the abortion pill, however, he recently vetoed a bill allowing minors to purchase emergency contraception without a prescription.

Pataki has also taken the high road in signing an antidiscrimination bill and new hate crimes legislation protecting bisexuals, lesbians, and gay men. He has also signed a bill granting crime victim compensation funds to the surviving partners of 9/11 victims and opposes the Federal Marriage Amendment in the belief that this matter should be decided by individual states.

As governor of New York, Pataki took the Republican stance on immigration by establishing a toll-free Citizenship Unit hotline to help undocumented immigrants get legal and even signed a bill allowing undocumented immigrants to pay in-state tuition at New York’s public colleges and universities. In addition he allocated $2.5 million to immigration nonprofits and established a program to protect undocumented immigrants from con artists.

His conservative views, however, surfaced regarding the issue of the death penalty when he attempted to get it reinstated in 1995, even though the New York Supreme Court later struck it his measure down. However, he has taken a more mainstream Democratic stand on issues regarding gun control

He is absolutely not Conservative in the minds of the Republican Primary Voter. He would be hit on Gun Control, on Abortion, on support for Illegal Immigrants, etc. He would alienate many by default. And there is now way, for these same reasons, that Bush would endorse his candidacy.
 
his policies as governor were socially conservative. that's how he'll overcome them.

bush endorsed pataki because of the relationship they developed in 9/11, furthermore feingold and thompson are too close for comfort in the eyes of many republicans.
 

Yeah, I guess that trumps Wikipedia. :eek:

his policies as governor were socially conservative. that's how he'll overcome them.

bush endorsed pataki because of the relationship they developed in 9/11, furthermore feingold and thompson are too close for comfort in the eyes of many republicans.

While I'm not sure I buy the former, I absolutely can see the latter happening, and can see said endorsement swaying enough Nebraska voters...
 
regarding the Nebraska date, what I think happened is they moved it up after McCain clinched the nomination
 
his policies as governor were socially conservative. that's how he'll overcome them.

bush endorsed pataki because of the relationship they developed in 9/11, furthermore feingold and thompson are too close for comfort in the eyes of many republicans.
What I put WERE his policies as Governor. He was Socially Conservative regarding crime, but was Moderate if not Liberal elsewhere. No way I can buy that argument.

Latter I can't really buy either, considering what the alternative is, but whatever.
 
Interview with Jennifer Foxx, December 8, 2021

Bret Baier: Any regrets about your interview on July 15, 2008?

Jennifer Foxx: None whatsoever.

Bret Baier: Really?

Jennifer Foxx: Really. I don't regret anything at all.

Bret Baier: Because I told the truth.


"On the Record w/ Greta Van Sustren", July 15, 2008

Greta van Sustren: Miss Foxx, when did you and the President begin having sexual intercourse?

Jennifer Foxx: About a week before I turned eighteen.

Greta van Sustren: So you were a minor?

Jennifer Foxx: I guess, but I did lie to John. I told him -- I told the President that I was over 18.

Greta van Sustren: So he asked you how old you were?

Jennifer Foxx: Yes.

Greta van Sustren: And you lied to him?

Jennifer Foxx: Correct.

[later in the interview]

Greta van Sustren: What's it like to live in the White House?

Jennifer Foxx: It's like an adventure, something new everyday.

Greta van Sustren: Why is that?

Jennifer Foxx: Oh it just is, Greta.


Interview with John Edwards, July 31, 2008

John Edwards: Look, Jennifer's confused. On the night in question I asked how old she was, she replied "I turn eighteen next week" and I stopped her and I said, "We have to wait." She agreed so we went no farther than a kiss. I did not touch her, she did not touch me. We did not engage in sexual intercourse, oral or otherwise. I would never engage in sexual intercourse of any kind with a young girl. Never. I did not have sex with that woman until she turned eighteen.

Lester Holt: So your girlfriend is lying?

John Edwards: She's confused.


Phone Conversation between Fred Thompson and George Pataki, August 3, 2008

George Pataki: We're letting Russ pull ahead. I'll give you VP, Fred.

Fred Thompson: In case you weren't aware I have more delegates than you.

George Pataki: But you're neck-and-neck with Feingold, I'm ahead of him. Feingold is going to use his efforts to work across the aisle to appeal to the moderate voters, we can't let him win!

Fred Thompson: Exactly, it'll take a solid conservative to win against him.

George Pataki: That isn't what the God damn polls

Fred Thompson: Polls are not election day. And national polls don't mean a thing. I reach the 270 mark in the state-by-state polls. You don't!

George Pataki: For God's sake, Fred! You had a good run but you didn't make it. Support the guy who can win.

Fred Thompson: I'm going to win this thing and you better bet I'll be the one with the last laugh.
 
The Republican National Convention
August 25 - August 28

DAY ONE

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Fred Thompson delivers a 5-minute speech to the delegates in an attempt to woo-over unpledged delegates
Good evening.

We're almost there, folks. This was not the result I had anticipated. I had hoped to be here addressing all of you about the importance of moving ahead. About the importance of making a difference. I hoped to be here today contrasting the differences between the evils of John Edwards and the Democratic Party and the God-loving, family-loving, America-loving Republican Party. For better or for worse things did not go as planned.

I stand here today asking for your vote. Asking that those of you uncommitted cast your ballot for a true conservative, someone who has -- someone who has time, and time again stood up for the interests of the Republican Party! I know -- I know this decision is not one you will weight lightly, but I encourage you to make the decision based on who will continue the dreams of Ronald Reagan. I encourage you to support the candidate who embodies what you believe in, what principles you've come here to represent! Look for that candidate! Look for the candidate ready to move America forward and when you've found him that's who to vote for.

This election is bigger than George Pataki and its bigger than me. You will be choosing the next President of the United States and I ask all of you to cast your ballot for the person ready to take on Washington and make a difference. I'm running because I love my country and I am concerned about its future. I'm running because we need a President who will promote security, unity, and prosperity. Thank you and God bless the United States of America.


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George Pataki delivers a 5-minute speech to the delegates in an attempt to woo-over unpledged delegates

Ladies and Gentleman of this convention:

My name is George Pataki and I come here to tell all of you that in America anything is possible. Who would've -- who would've thought that a Governor from New York State would be a few delegates shy of being the Republican Nominee? My fellow Republicans: I may not be the most conservative nominee, I may work across the aisle, but I'm no Rockefeller Republican. I am someone who sticks to my beliefs and I will work very hard to represent the American people. We can all make a difference and that work can begin here tonight.

John Edwards let us down. Now the Democrats are running to hide themselves, but the truth is -- the truth is they can't. They're the ones who caused this mess, by nomination John in the first place. Sure, we're out of Iraq, but are we safer? I challenge you to, not including the ending of the Iraq War, name one accomplishment by the Edwards Administration and the Democratic Party. That's right: you can't. You can't because John Edwards went to Washington looking for pretty girls to get into trouble with. He didn't go to Washington to secure a safer America, or a better America. He didn't reform Health Care, he didn't fix Social Security, he didn't balance the budget. Just what was John Edwards thinking? I come here today asking for your support so that we can change all of that.

In order to fix America we need a Republican Administration. We need someone committed to a better America. An America where all men are created equal. An America that our Founding Fathers envisioned. You're all about to make a decision. That decision will determine who wins the next Presidential Election. If you vote for me you're setting it up for President Pataki. If you vote for Fred Thompson you might as well throw in the title and give Russ Feingold the nuclear launch codes. Do not make the mistake of voting for the actor 'cuz he looks good on camera! Vote for the candidate of ideas and of substance. Thank you friends and God bless.


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Chairman Duncan begins the Roll Call of the States
Fred Thompson: 1,195
George Pataki: 1,185

FRED THOMPSON IS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT
 
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An excerpt from Pataki and Thompson: The Fight for the Republican Party by Mark Levin

When the convention opened numerous people began "Draft [name here] for Vice President" as Chairman Duncan had declared that immediately after the Presidential Vote delegates would choose a Vice Presidential Nominee, a move that alienated the Presidential candidates. Eventually Thompson and Pataki gave in, supporting a Draft Movement. Thompson had urged his delegates to back Romney, Giuliani, and Jeb Bush. Pataki helped out movements to draft Huckabee, Allen, and Sam Brownback. The delegates began voting and soon the order of voting began to shape: Pataki, Romney, Bush, Giuliani, Huckabee, Allen, Brownback. Soon Pataki began calling delegations telling them not to nominate him. His delegates agreed and the order shifted to Romney, Bush, Pataki, Huckabee, Giuliani, Allen, and Brownback. With more than half of the delegates remaining Pataki called remaining delegations telling them to support Giuliani while Thompson made an aggressive campaign to nominate Bush, deserting Romney in the hopes of swaying Florida. Soon the order shifted again with Bush, Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee, Pataki, Allen, and then Brownback lining up. At the end of it a second ballot was conducted. By that time Fred Thompson had told delegates to back Bush while Pataki, hoping to cause a stir in the GOP establishment, told his supporters to back Giuliani. The second ballot contained Bush, Giuliani, and Romney.

As voting began it became clear Bush was the front runner and he was nominated on the second ballot with 1,314 votes. Giuliani came in second while Romney finished third with 23 votes. It was like nothing ever-before seen and it shook the Republicans. It also furthered the divide between Thompson and Pataki.
 
Can't see Bush taking it.

This is the Republicans' election to lose, and they're trying pretty hard.

george bush left office moderately popular, iraq never gets as hated because by 2006 edwards has announced a timetable to withdraw and the gop supports it hoping itll blow up in edwards' face. so i faol to see why choosing the even more popular jeb wld hurt the gop
 
An excerpt from A Revolving Door by Dick Morris

"Both Bush and Thompson gave stirring speeches to the convention and rallied the conservative electorate. No one expected them to get a bump, but Thompson received a monumental gain and grew his lead from 4-points to 8-points. In an attempt to curb the enthusiasm, Feingold announced Kathleen Sebelius would serve as the Vice Presidential nominee. Sebelius and Feingold headed straight to the Democratic Convention where they walked away from it all by narrowing the polls. Thompson led in Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, Florida, Ohio, and a multitude of other swing states. Though Feingold had considerably more moderate appeal personally most Independents couldn't bring themselves to vote for a Democrat in the wake of the Edwards Scandal."


Electoral Map: September 14, 2008

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Interview with former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, December 9, 2010

David Gregory: Secretary Summers, did President Edwards botch the economic disaster that began two years ago?

Larry Summers: No. Look there was only so much we could do. We decided that a massive bailout was the only way to put off economic collapse, so we did it. And it worked.

David Gregory: It worked?

Larry Summers: Most definitely. I was right next to the President when he announced his decision and I had told him, Treasury Secretary to President, that it was what had to be done. And we agreed. It worked and it was a success. The far-right can spin it however they want.

David Gregory: Do you think it cost Russ Feingold the election?

Larry Summers: I couldn't care less.


Electoral Map: Election Night 2008

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george bush left office moderately popular, iraq never gets as hated because by 2006 edwards has announced a timetable to withdraw and the gop supports it hoping itll blow up in edwards' face. so i faol to see why choosing the even more popular jeb wld hurt the gop
I fail to see why the more popular Jeb hasn't gotten the nomination. He's not going to play second fiddle to anybody
 
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