A question regarding Robert Stuart, Duke of Kintyre and his family

Another daughter of Philip IV by Isabella of France surviving would be great (as she will be likely the second wife of Ferdinand III). Or we can have Philip OTL children (maybe minus Carlos II or with him dying earlier) with Margarita married to a surviving Karl Josef of Austria (aka Leopold younger half-brother) and so Leopold free for Marguerite

Anything who will keep Louis XIV away from Spain and his possessions (and the dowry of Maria Theresa much lower than OTL) can be only good
Plus anything excluding Balthasar Carlos surviving and having sons (but with him married to Mariana is unlikely so I will keep that as OTL) will likely end with Milan in possession of the Emperor

Hmm agreed, which version do you find most interesting? Another daughter for Philip and Isabella or margarita married to Karl Josef?
 
Hmm agreed, which version do you find most interesting? Another daughter for Philip and Isabella or margarita married to Karl Josef?
First is better because is a total block for Louis XIV (and will likely produce healthier children so the survival of separate line for Spain and Austria will be assured) but the second also is very interesting
 
First is better because is a total block for Louis XIV (and will likely produce healthier children so the survival of separate line for Spain and Austria will be assured) but the second also is very interesting

Hmm agreed, so Isabella Maria Theresa, marrying Ferdinand III as his second wife in 1648, and them producing perhaps three surviving children?
 
Hmm agreed, so Isabella Maria Theresa, marrying Ferdinand III as his second wife in 1648, and them producing perhaps three surviving children?
Yes, maybe better four/five children with two of them sons as without them only archduchess/infantas available would be Margarita Teresa of Spain, Claudia Felicitas and maybe Maria Magdalena of Tyrol (as the OTL daughters of Ferdinand by Eleonore will not exist)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Leopoldine_of_Austria and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleonora_Gonzaga_(1630–1686) will need other husbands here
 
Yes, maybe better four/five children with two of them sons as without them only archduchess/infantas available would be Margarita Teresa of Spain, Claudia Felicitas and maybe Maria Magdalena of Tyrol (as the OTL daughters of Ferdinand by Eleonore will not exist)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Leopoldine_of_Austria and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleonora_Gonzaga_(1630–1686) will need other husbands here

Agreed, so two sons and two daughters. I imagine the eldest son would be put forward as the heir for Spain.

Maria Leopoldine could be considered perhaps for either Charles II- if for whatever reason Anne Marie Louise falls through, or perhaps his brother, the Duke of GLoucester and Ross. Perhaps Gonzaga could marry Felipe IV?
 
Agreed, so two sons and two daughters. I imagine the eldest son would be put forward as the heir for Spain.

Maria Leopoldine could be considered perhaps for either Charles II- if for whatever reason Anne Marie Louise falls through, or perhaps his brother, the Duke of GLoucester and Ross. Perhaps Gonzaga could marry Felipe IV?
Maybe Eleonore Gonzaga as Grand Duchess of Tuscany (we need one and she is of the right age) and Marie Leopoldine for Felipe IV?
But what we can do with Mariana? Maybe she and Balthasar Carlos marry and he died in 1651 of some illness/accident and she shortly after in childbirth with their child?
 
Maybe Eleonore Gonzaga as Grand Duchess of Tuscany (we need one and she is of the right age) and Marie Leopoldine for Felipe IV?
But what we can do with Mariana? Maybe she and Balthasar Carlos marry and he died in 1651 of some illness/accident and she shortly after in childbirth with their child?

I like Eleonore as Grand Duchess of Tuscany and Marie Leopoldine as a second wife for Felipe IV. Perhaps Mariana dies as a child?
 
I like Eleonore as Grand Duchess of Tuscany and Marie Leopoldine as a second wife for Felipe IV. Perhaps Mariana dies as a child?
That or I am thinking who if Balthasar Carlos live until 1660 and marry Mariana and the dowry of Maria Theresa would be much smaller with a brother, sister and maybe a short living half brother alive...
ATL Karl Joseph and ATL Carlos II can be born as sons of their mothers (Karl with the OTL lifespan, Carlos maybe living enough to become King after his grandfather and "rule" a couple of years)...

EDIT: an ATL Carlos II maybe will stop Habsburg intermarriages for a couple of generations who will be more than enough for introducing new blood in the family on both sides

A daughter of Charles II and Anne Marie Louise would be nice for Felipe V of Spain aka eldest son of Ferdinand III of Austria and Isabella Maria Theresa of Spain
 
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That or I am thinking who if Balthasar Carlos live until 1660 and marry Mariana and the dowry of Maria Theresa would be much smaller with a brother, sister and maybe a short living half brother alive...
ATL Karl Joseph and ATL Carlos II can be born as sons of their mothers (Karl with the OTL lifespan, Carlos maybe living enough to become King after his grandfather and "rule" a couple of years)...

EDIT: an ATL Carlos II maybe will stop Habsburg intermarriages for a couple of generations who will be more than enough for introducing new blood in the family on both sides

A daughter of Charles II and Anne Marie Louise would be nice for Felipe V of Spain aka eldest son of Ferdinand III of Austria and Isabella Maria Theresa of Spain

Hmm interesting, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the suggestion therefore is that Balthasar Carlos lives, marries Marianna, has a son with her who is shortlived, whilst Karl Joseph is the son of Marie Leopoldine and Felipe IV?
 
Maybe Eleonore Gonzaga as Grand Duchess of Tuscany (we need one and she is of the right age) and Marie Leopoldine for Felipe IV?
But what we can do with Mariana? Maybe she and Balthasar Carlos marry and he died in 1651 of some illness/accident and she shortly after in childbirth with their child?

She was epileptic IIRC, so just send her to Spain and die shortly after the wedding due to poor health - a la Elisabeth of Austria (wife of Sigmund II August). Removing her and Juan Everardo Nithard can only be a plus for Spain IMO
 
She was epileptic IIRC, so just send her to Spain and die shortly after the wedding due to poor health - a la Elisabeth of Austria (wife of Sigmund II August). Removing her and Juan Everardo Nithard can only be a plus for Spain IMO

Not in favour of the death as a child thing then?
 
Not in favour of the death as a child thing then?

For Maria Anna? Why not, two of her brothers died in June 1639, I can't seem to find a cause of death, but I assume it was something like chickenpox or smallpox or the plague or whatever. She can join them.
 
Hmm interesting, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the suggestion therefore is that Balthasar Carlos lives, marries Marianna, has a son with her who is shortlived, whilst Karl Joseph is the son of Marie Leopoldine and Felipe IV?
She was epileptic IIRC, so just send her to Spain and die shortly after the wedding due to poor health - a la Elisabeth of Austria (wife of Sigmund II August). Removing her and Juan Everardo Nithard can only be a plus for Spain IMO
Yes, I was talking about Mariana marrying Balthasar Carlos, he dies around 1661, she die in childbirth in the same year and they left only a child (maybe Diego) who has the same health of Carlos II born in 1660 or 1661 and manage to survive until 1668
Carlos Jose of Spain would be the son of Felipe IV by Leopoldine born in 1649 or 1650 and dead between 1664 and 1667

For Maria Anna? Why not, two of her brothers died in June 1639, I can't seem to find a cause of death, but I assume it was something like chickenpox or smallpox or the plague or whatever. She can join them.
Sure she can, but I think the Habsburg will need the lesson they can learn to Carlos II before starting to introduce quite regularly new blood in the family
 
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Yes, I was talking about Mariana marrying Balthasar Carlos, he dies around 1661, she die in childbirth in the same year and they left only a child (maybe Diego) who has the same health of Carlos II born in 1660 or 1661 and manage to survive until 1668
Carlos Jose of Spain would be the son of Felipe IV by Leopoldine born in 1649 or 1650 and dead between 1664 and 1667


Sure she can, but I think the Habsburg will need the lesson they can learn to Carlos II before starting to introduce quite regiularly new blood in the family
So going down that route? Carlos and his wife producing a monster who dies, his uncle dying also, and then felines grandson by Isabella ascending the throne?
 
So going down that route? Carlos and his wife producing a monster who dies, his uncle dying also, and then felines grandson by Isabella ascending the throne?
Yes, so Spain will not have the trouble of paying Maria Theresa's dowry because her renounce to any right will not need a big compensation unlike OTL as she is not so hig in the succession line (and would never be heiress presumptive during her life). Carlos and Mariana child will push Isabella, who at this point is widowed but still alive and will become Queen Isabella II of Spain to choise a princess of England (the eldest daughter of Charles II and Anne Marie Louise) as daughter-in-law over one of her Austrian relatives
 
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