A question regarding Robert Stuart, Duke of Kintyre and his family

A slightly random question, but assuming minimal butterflies, assume for a moment that Robert Stuart, Duke of Kintyre and Lorne, had survived, married and had issue, and one of his children had married back into the mainline, if things apart from that had gone as otl, would at the time of the Restoration, would Robert's children, or perhaps grandchildren be considered an appropriate bride for say Mary, daughter of James II? And in other circumstances, as a potential candidate in the succession should something like a GLorious Revolution happen?

For instance:

Robert Stuart, Duke of Kintyre and Lorne (b.1602: d.1649) m ?

Issue:

Charles Stuart, Duke of Kintyre and Lorne (b.1630) m Princess Anne (b.1637)

Issue: Robert Stuart (b.1661)

Alternatively, if that seems too implausible, what possible consequences could a surviving Robert Stuart, and if he has family, have on England, Scotland and Ireland?
 
Well, the family of Duke of Kintyre (probably re-styled Duke of York when his brother becomes the Prince of Wales) changes the pre-Civil War dynamics on its own immensely. While I can see James I pursuing a Catholic match for Charles, likely the same one as OTL, I agree with the idea of Catherine of Brandenburg becoming Duchess of York.
And that's when things get weird, as Britain is now dynastically connected to Sweden (Duke of Kintyre is brother-in-law of Gustav Adolph now).
And the Duke, whether he likes it or not, will be the magnet for opposition to his brother.
 
However, that said, I can imagine Charles and Robert being rather close, since they will have pretty much shared childhood, unlike relations between Henry and Charles, which were a bit ruined by age difference.
Having a close friend figure in his brother, Charles may not grow up THAT dependent on Buckingham, which alone brings a ton of butterflies.
 
Well, the family of Duke of Kintyre (probably re-styled Duke of York when his brother becomes the Prince of Wales) changes the pre-Civil War dynamics on its own immensely. While I can see James I pursuing a Catholic match for Charles, likely the same one as OTL, I agree with the idea of Catherine of Brandenburg becoming Duchess of York.
And that's when things get weird, as Britain is now dynastically connected to Sweden (Duke of Kintyre is brother-in-law of Gustav Adolph now).
And the Duke, whether he likes it or not, will be the magnet for opposition to his brother.

Agreed regarding change in dynamic and the marriage option, and agree with Robert becoming duke of York and Kintyre. And of course being tied to Sweden would make things interesting, especially when Gustavus gets involved in the thirty years war. Though if one of his danish cousins survive would they be considered.

However, that said, I can imagine Charles and Robert being rather close, since they will have pretty much shared childhood, unlike relations between Henry and Charles, which were a bit ruined by age difference.
Having a close friend figure in his brother, Charles may not grow up THAT dependent on Buckingham, which alone brings a ton of butterflies.

And agreed. I think they’ll be close for sure, perhaps Robert becomes Charles chief advisor? What dole would Buckingham have here? Would he try to ingratiate himself with Robert also?
 
Agreed regarding change in dynamic and the marriage option, and agree with Robert becoming duke of York and Kintyre. And of course being tied to Sweden would make things interesting, especially when Gustavus gets involved in the thirty years war. Though if one of his danish cousins survive would they be considered.
If either Sophie or Elisabeth of Denmark survive, they may even be considered for Charles I - definitely the highest ranking Protestants available, and when Spanish match goes belly up, they are as good of idea as any. Keeping French alliance for Duke of York (considering Henriette was yonger than both Danish princesses, the only problem here would be the issue of rank, as Henriette would not be pleased with match to "just" a brother of the King, but then the person outranking her at court is a daughter of a King as well).
What dole would Buckingham have here? Would he try to ingratiate himself with Robert also?
A favorite, but not an all-mighty big brother substitute, since Charles' psychology regarding the whole brother issue thingy is going to be different.
 
If either Sophie or Elisabeth of Denmark survive, they may even be considered for Charles I - definitely the highest ranking Protestants available, and when Spanish match goes belly up, they are as good of idea as any. Keeping French alliance for Duke of York (considering Henriette was yonger than both Danish princesses, the only problem here would be the issue of rank, as Henriette would not be pleased with match to "just" a brother of the King, but then the person outranking her at court is a daughter of a King as well).

A favorite, but not an all-mighty big brother substitute, since Charles' psychology regarding the whole brother issue thingy is going to be different.

Hmm this is very true, would it be better to keep them dead then, to enable a marriage to France? Or is a marriage to Denmark more interesting due to its difference? Though with james obsession with one Protestant marriage and one catholic marriage, that would necessitate changing who Elisabeth marries no?

And agreed, likely Charles is more used to being the elder and dominant one
 
Hmm this is very true, would it be better to keep them dead then, to enable a marriage to France? Or is a marriage to Denmark more interesting due to its difference? Though with james obsession with one Protestant marriage and one catholic marriage, that would necessitate changing who Elisabeth marries no?
I think the obsession will stay for boys, Elisabeth's match is likely the same. It's hard to be "one this and one that" when you have THREE surviving kids.
I think Denmark, instead of France (where the available Princess by 1622 is but a child), would top the substitute list when Spain starts making unreasonable demands, when the French/pro-French match would be reserved for the Duke of York.
 
I think the obsession will stay for boys, Elisabeth's match is likely the same. It's hard to be "one this and one that" when you have THREE surviving kids.
I think Denmark, instead of France (where the available Princess by 1622 is but a child), would top the substitute list when Spain starts making unreasonable demands, when the French/pro-French match would be reserved for the Duke of York.

Okay interesting, so Charles marrying Sophia of Denmark instead of Henrietta Maria?

And interesting would louis and his advisors go for that marriage to Robert? Ormwould they prop up another candidate
 
Okay interesting, so Charles marrying Sophia of Denmark instead of Henrietta Maria?
And probably even during his father's lifetime. A Danish cousin would be regarded much higher than any Brandenburg princess on bride list.
I'm thinking about whether Marie de Medici would like to see her daughter as "mere" Duchess of York.
 
And probably even during his father's lifetime. A Danish cousin would be regarded much higher than any Brandenburg princess on bride list.
I'm thinking about whether Marie de Medici would like to see her daughter as "mere" Duchess of York.

Oh interesting, perhaps around 1622/23 then for such a marriage. Which does mean I might need to change my plans a bit.
 
Regarding France, I think that marriage alliance with them may be still in the cards, but whether it's Henriette Maria or a proxy princess for Duke of York, remains to be seen.

A plus of Denmark is that they were VERY financially secure in early 1620ies, so they could offer a Princess *if one existed, like TTL* and a good Queen-fitting dowry to boot. IIRC while Henry, Prince of Wales, refused his Medici bride, the marriage in question was arranged for monetary reason among other. If a Protestant girl is fielded with considerable sum of money, and James I has enough of brain-screwing Spanish demands, he may just say "f*ck your Papist demands" and take Danish offer.
 
Regarding France, I think that marriage alliance with them may be still in the cards, but whether it's Henriette Maria or a proxy princess for Duke of York, remains to be seen.

A plus of Denmark is that they were VERY financially secure in early 1620ies, so they could offer a Princess *if one existed, like TTL* and a good Queen-fitting dowry to boot. IIRC while Henry, Prince of Wales, refused his Medici bride, the marriage in question was arranged for monetary reason among other. If a Protestant girl is fielded with considerable sum of money, and James I has enough of brain-screwing Spanish demands, he may just say "f*ck your Papist demands" and take Danish offer.

Oh interesting, perhaps a Savoyard princess or some such?

And oh definitely agreed there, james always in need of money aha.

So, That would apply for Charles or Robert, whoever was the heir
 
Regarding France, I think that marriage alliance with them may be still in the cards, but whether it's Henriette Maria or a proxy princess for Duke of York, remains to be seen.

A plus of Denmark is that they were VERY financially secure in early 1620ies, so they could offer a Princess *if one existed, like TTL* and a good Queen-fitting dowry to boot. IIRC while Henry, Prince of Wales, refused his Medici bride, the marriage in question was arranged for monetary reason among other. If a Protestant girl is fielded with considerable sum of money, and James I has enough of brain-screwing Spanish demands, he may just say "f*ck your Papist demands" and take Danish offer.

How about Louise de bourbon, daughter of the count of Soissons
 
interesting, perhaps a Savoyard princess or some such?

No Sabaudian princesses of the right age. The one closest to Chuck and Bob (Francesca Caterina b. 1595) became a nun OTL IIRC, and she was a pretty strong political force in Turin once her brother died as well.
 
No Sabaudian princesses of the right age. The one closest to Chuck and Bob (Francesca Caterina b. 1595) became a nun OTL IIRC, and she was a pretty strong political force in Turin once her brother died as well.

This is very true
Was thinking about rehash of Medici marriage project for Duke of York if Charles takes the Danish option and Robert is less stuborn than Henry re. Medici wife - namely this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_de'_Medici
She is a widow by 1624, and this may be considered.
oh thay looks good, Claudia Medici would bring a hefty dowry I imagine
 
So perhaps a marriage in the 1623 area for Charles and Sophia of Denmark, with Robert and Claudia marrying around he same time or slightly later.
 
By the way, if Henriette Maria does not marry to Britain, she may well marry to Tuscany, in which case Vittoria della Rovere marries to Maddalena’s third son. Since Vittoria della Rovere is not a heiress to Urbino, she is plainly not worth of discarding a genuine Royal princess.
 
By the way, if Henriette Maria does not marry to Britain, she may well marry to Tuscany, in which case Vittoria della Rovere marries to Maddalena’s third son. Since Vittoria della Rovere is not a heiress to Urbino, she is plainly not worth of discarding a genuine Royal princess.

This is very very true. So, in your view would Claudia be offered instead of say someone such as the otl Duchess of Longville?
 
I think she was too hardline Catholic, in hindsight, to marry a Protestant prince, especially a non-reigning one.
OTL Duchess was off the market by 1617. OTL Countess of Soissons, however, is still on the market, provided she is willing to marry a Protestant.
If we are into ATL surviving princesses for BOTH brothers, count of Soissons had a third daughter
  • Charlotte Anne de Bourbon (1608–1623)
So WI instead of dying in 1623 at the age of 15, she becomes the Duchess of York and Kintyre the same year?
 
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