A Question on Dynasties for a 15th Century 'Kingdom of Holland'

Alright, so I'm working on a map and a base TL to go with it, however among various dilemmas I've run into is the Low Countries.

The PoD is in the late 14th/early 15th century and some of the marriages that happened IOTL did'nt/they did'nt produce an heir which eventually leads to a situation where the Duchy of Burgundy falls into chaos in the late 1570's when the King dies without an Heir leading to France claiming the French portion which then leads to a multisided war in which France comes out the winner and leads to it being awarded all of the French territories of Burgundy as well as a good chunk of what would be OTL Belgium, however as part of the peace settlement aside from the Duchy of Luxembourg going its own way the rest of the Burgundian Netherlands, an area comprising the Duchy of Brabant, half the Duchy of Flanders, the Duchy of Limburg, the County of Namur, the County of Zeeland and the County of Holland (absorbing bordering areas over the following centuries) is formed into a neutral Kingdom of Holland.

Now my question is who would most likely be given the throne as the Burgundians are automatically out and the House of Valois and House of Hapsburg are as well as either being on the throne would go against the idea of its neutrality.


Edit: For the sake of clarity the Kingdom of Holland is the area shown in purple in the below map.

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Hm, I don't know the situation in the TL you're thinking of, but perhaps someone from the ducal house of Cleves? The house of la Marck, assuming they're still on the throne in your tl, historically had close ties to the Burgundian Netherlands without being so close that it would be seen as a violation of the whole neutrality thing you have in mind. Wouldn't have to be a personal union or anything; a cadet branch would do just fine.

The alternative is to just elect a minor noble from one of the territories in the kingdom as king, but that's not as fun.


Oh, and personally speaking I'd say upgrading Brabant to a kingdom would make more sense than Holland. Holland is just a county, no matter how many territories it absorbs, after all. (So is Flanders, assuming that didn't change in your envisioned tl)
 
I would look at the discussion on the Kingdom of Frisia thread for how crowns are/can be awarded.

If Burgundy had a crown, then it would be assumed that any continuation kingdom would
 
Hm, I don't know the situation in the TL you're thinking of, but perhaps someone from the ducal house of Cleves? The house of la Marck, assuming they're still on the throne in your tl, historically had close ties to the Burgundian Netherlands without being so close that it would be seen as a violation of the whole neutrality thing you have in mind. Wouldn't have to be a personal union or anything; a cadet branch would do just fine.

That might work, though I've not figured out what was happening with Clevese.


The alternative is to just elect a minor noble from one of the territories in the kingdom as king, but that's not as fun.

That was my first thought, the problem of course being, well, how many minor nobles do we even have (easily accessable) record of who were'nt the rulers of something?


Oh, and personally speaking I'd say upgrading Brabant to a kingdom would make more sense than Holland. Holland is just a county, no matter how many territories it absorbs, after all. (So is Flanders, assuming that didn't change in your envisioned tl)

Brabant ITTL ended-up being one of the more loyal parts of Burgundy and thus an attempt at making it the core of the Kingdom would be opposed by France, Holland was chosen as the core as it was the biggest portion that was'nt Brabant.


If Burgundy had a crown, then it would be assumed that any continuation kingdom would

ITTL Burgundy is considered to have ceased and they never achieved Crown/Kingdom status themself, the Kingdom of Holland is not seen as a successor but as a new state.
 
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Ah, I see, sorry I missed that bit. I was interrupted by customers so just posted the half sentence I'd written anyway.

As per the other thread, the idea was that you can get a crown 2 ways
1) The Emperor can give one that already exists
2) The Pope can create a new one

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
Ah, I see, sorry I missed that bit. I was interrupted by customers so just posted the half sentence I'd written anyway.

As per the other thread, the idea was that you can get a crown 2 ways
1) The Emperor can give one that already exists
2) The Pope can create a new one

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

It'd most likely be created by the Emperor I think since the Hapsburgs, while close to the Burgundians would realize a neutral Kingdom is better than leaving the issue and having the threat of France either absorbing it later or the remnants all falling into French orbit; that and ITTL Papal-French relations started going downhill in the 1430's and by the point of the end of the war the Pope would probably scoff at the idea and demand the Burgundians be placed in charge of the remnants.
 
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