A Post-Valkist World - Führerreich to the Present Day

[Goweegie2]

This thread is going to be a collection of maps, infoboxes (mostly infoboxes), and other graphics from a disorganized continuation of the Führerreich timeline I'm doing. This will work in the same way to @Kanan's excellent timeline on this forum, as well as @Planita13's equally excellent timeline that's also on this forum, although I doubt I could live up to the standards they have set.

For the backstory, this is the classic DBWI of "what if the Entente won the Weltkrieg." Yes, I know this has probably been done to death, but I have already done three separate posts about this tl on the Wikibox thread, so I figured I should make a thread for it somewhere.

EDIT: Credit to @Skallagrim for the color key I used

 

[Goweegie2]

Adam Michael Sharp IV was born on February 7, 1972 in Spokane, Washington to Elizabeth (née Koenig) and Adam Michael Sharp III. His mother was of German descent and his father was an Ashkenazi Jew who converted to Christianity. His Polish-born great-grandfather Anglicized his name from Adam Meier Szapiro to Adam Michael Sharp. Sharp IV was largely raised in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. He graduated from the University of Idaho and later Harvard University. He would work as an attorney until 2004, when he was elected to the House of Representatives. In 2010, he would be elected to the Senate. During his time in Congress he largely towed the Republican-Progressive party line, but once he ran for President in 2016 he changed to a more populist tone, a label which he has rejected. He won the 2016 Republican-Progressive nomination as a dark horse. He went on to narrowly defeat his Democratic opponent Marisol Aragones, the first major party nominee from the state of Baja California, despite losing the popular vote. He was sworn in on March 4, 2017, succeeding Fernando Franco of Puerto Rico. As President, he has passed a burqa ban, tax cuts for small businesses, and cuts to AmeriCare, the United States' universal healthcare program. He also controversially appointed Christopher Meijer to the Supreme Court, and intervened in the Phoenician Civil War. His approval rating currently sits at 33.8%, and with several strong contenders in the 2020 Democratic primary, he is not widely expected to win reelection.

 

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[Thomas27]

Subscribed. I love the Führerreich and Kaiserreich stuff from HOI4.

 

[Goweegie2]

Subscribed. I love the Führerreich and Kaiserreich stuff from HOI4.

Thanks! This will be more focused on the modern day politics of this tl but I'll still try and cover some characters in the Führerreich mod itself, such as Dressler

 

[Goweegie2]

Here's the big one: Adam Dressler, Führer of Germany during the Second Great War

 

[Goweegie2]

Thomas "Tommy" Mahfouz, Jr. is an American politician who served as 44th President of the United States from 1989 to 1997. He was the first African-American to hold the office, as well as the first Arab-American to hold the office. Born in Lafayette, Louisiana to Thomas Mahfouz, Sr. (born Mansour Abdallah Mahfouz), an immigrant from French Phoenicia, and Sarah Jolivette, a black Louisiana Creole woman, he became the first African-American Governor of Louisiana in 1972, serving until 1980 and again from 1984 until his inauguration as President in 1989. As President, he is known mainly for his progressive reforms, namely rebuilding the American welfare state that his predecessor severely curtailed. After his second term as President expired, he ran again for Governor in 2000 and served again until his retirement in 2004. Today he is considered one of the most popular Presidents of modern American history

 

[Goweegie2]

Here's the current British Prime Minister ITTL, as well as the first of Afro-Caribbean (specifically Grenadian) descent, Rick Baptiste.

 

[Goweegie2]

Here's an infobox for modern Germany ITTL

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

What are the main differences between the Second, Third, and Fourth Republics of Germany?

Also, who are the 12,4 % "Ausländer" in Germany? Are they discriminated against? Why is any other religion (other than Christian and Irreligious) "undeclared"? What about Muslims and Jews, especially?

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

@Goweegie2 : I like this collection of maps and infoboxes!

If I read it right on the Führerreich wikia, Valkism is not (normally) racist and certainly not genocidal. Is that correct?
Thus, my question: Did Adam Dressler's nation commit any genocide? Why was Germany dismantled and Dressler hanged if he was not genocidally racist or antisemitic like OTL Hitler?
How long did World War II take, and were atomic bombs used?

Also, what is left of Valkism? What is a Valkist state like to live in - certainly not as brutal and abhorrent as Nazi Germany?

A note from a German: "Valkistische Deutsche Volkspartei" (VDVP) - as specified in the Führerreich Wikia - is not really a good party name in German. If Valkism is sometimes called "People's Socialism", I would call the party "Volkssozialistische Partei Deutschlands" (VSPD) or "Deutsche Volkssozialistische Partei" (DVSP).

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

Also, could you post about the last election(s) in Germany, @Goweegie2 ? Possibly, you can acquire some assistance from - e.g. - @Erinthecute if you don't believe yourself up to the task.

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

And I just now saw that the European Alliance is vastly extended in comparison from OTL EU, @Goweegie2 . That's cool! How are Turkey, Israel/the Jewish Commonwealth, the Kalmyk Republic, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc. doing in the EA? How thight is the European Alliance - about as tight as OTL EU? Or much looser?

Mahfouz is also a cool US president! Did you make him up? What about Rick Baptiste? Could you provide us with a (simple or extended, do it as you like!) list of US Presidents, British PMs and German Presidents and/or Chancellors (whoever is more powerful)?

And could you tell us something about the Rhineland? How communist is it? Does any communist nation still exist ITTL?

 

[Goweegie2]

What are the main differences between the Second, Third, and Fourth Republics of Germany?

Also, who are the 12,4 % "Ausländer" in Germany? Are they discriminated against? Why is any other religion (other than Christian and Irreligious) "undeclared"? What about Muslims and Jews, especially?

The second and fourth republics were parliamentary, while the third was either presidential or semi-presidential

The "Ausländer" are just a generic term for foreigners I put because I couldn't be bothered to make a real ethnic breakdown. They likely are mostly from Phoenicia (which has an ongoing civil war ITTL), Africa, and other EA nations (EDIT: likely some from Kurdistan too)

More edits: The "others / undeclared" section is a mix of both other religions AND undeclared people, I didn't mean that all others were undeclared

@Goweegie2 : I like this collection of maps and infoboxes!

If I read it right on the Führerreich wikia, Valkism is not (normally) racist and certainly not genocidal. Is that correct?
Thus, my question: Did Adam Dressler's nation commit any genocide? Why was Germany dismantled and Dressler hanged if he was not genocidally racist or antisemitic like OTL Hitler?
How long did World War II take, and were atomic bombs used?

Also, what is left of Valkism? What is a Valkist state like to live in - certainly not as brutal and abhorrent as Nazi Germany?

A note from a German: "Valkistische Deutsche Volkspartei" (VDVP) - as specified in the Führerreich Wikia - is not really a good party name in German. If Valkism is sometimes called "People's Socialism", I would call the party "Volkssozialistische Partei Deutschlands" (VSPD) or "Deutsche Volkssozialistische Partei" (DVSP).

Dressler ITTL didn't commit genocide in the style Hitler did, but he did expel minorities who refused to assimilate into "superior" Germanic culture with threat of force, and he also invaded several neighboring countries

WW2 (known as the Second Great War ITTL) lasted slightly longer than OTL, from 1938 to 1946. Atom bombs were likely used just like OTL, but I haven't worked out the details yet

Valkism is viewed negatively ITTL and there aren't really many Valkists leftover. It's not viewed quite as badly as Nazism is OTL because it was nominally less brutal, but it's still a fringe ideology by the modern day

And yeah, the party name is a bit awkward but I wanna stay loyal to the existing canon on this

Also, could you post about the last election(s) in Germany, @Goweegie2 ? Possibly, you can acquire some assistance from - e.g. - @Erinthecute if you don't believe yourself up to the task.

I will likely make that soon enough. I could definitely do it myself as I've done elections before, but I'd also be down to collaborate with @Erinthecute if she's open to it because her election infoboxes are way better than mine

And I just now saw that the European Alliance is vastly extended in comparison from OTL EU, @Goweegie2 . That's cool! How are Turkey, Israel/the Jewish Commonwealth, the Kalmyk Republic, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc. doing in the EA? How thight is the European Alliance - about as tight as OTL EU? Or much looser?

Mahfouz is also a cool US president! Did you make him up? What about Rick Baptiste? Could you provide us with a (simple or extended, do it as you like!) list of US Presidents, British PMs and German Presidents and/or Chancellors (whoever is more powerful)?

And could you tell us something about the Rhineland? How communist is it? Does any communist nation still exist ITTL?

The EA is similar in most respects to the OTL EU, but I haven't worked out the details yet. The Caucasus nations are in the EA because they never became SSRs ITTL, Kalmykia joined to distance itself from Russia following the Soviet collapse, Turkey joined because they never went down the Erdogan path, and I haven't fully decided why the Jewish Commonwealth joined, probably because they felt more culturally European than Asian due to most of the Jewish population there being Ashkenazim and Sephardim. They all share in both the benefits and drawbacks of EA membership, which are similar to the benefits and drawbacks of OTL EU membership, but are mostly better off overall than their OTL counterparts

A friend of mine actually made up Mahfouz as a suggestion for this TL while I was showing it to him, although I came up with most of the details. He doesn't have an account on this site, but he's helped me a lot with this TL and if he ever creates an account I'll tag him in the original post of this thread. I made up Rick Baptiste myself though. I don't have lists of British PMs or German Chancellors yet, but I do have a list of US Presidents beginning with Theodore Roosevelt. I'll put it in a separate post because this post is long enough without a full list of US Presidents since TR attached

As for the Rhineland, they weren't communist, in fact they were very aligned with France and the general west ever since the end of the First Great War (OTL WW1), although knowing the political demographics of the OTL Rhineland the Sozialdemokratische Partei des Rheinlandes (feel free to correct my grammar) is likely the dominant party there

There are likely a few communist countries left ITTL, but no major superpowers even claim to be communist, with the US and China being liberal democracies and Russia descending into national populism

If you have any more questions feel free to ask

 

[Goweegie2]

List of US Presidents since 1901 in plain text:

Real life political figures (1901-1973)
26. Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909) (Republican) (New York)
27. William Howard Taft (1909-1913) (Republican) (Ohio)
28. Theodore Roosevelt (1913-1921) (Progressive) (New York)
29. Hiram Johnson (1921-1925) (Progressive) (California)
30. Leonard Wood (1925-1929) (Republican) (New Hampshire)
31. Herbert Hoover (1929-1932) (Republican-Progressive) (California)
32. Charles Curtis (1932-1937) (Republican-Progressive) (Kansas)
33. Huey Long (1937-1946) (Democratic) (Louisiana)
34. Richard Russell Jr. (1946-1949) (Democratic) (Georgia)
35. Quentin Roosevelt (1949-1957) (Republican-Progressive) (New York)
36. Lyndon Baines Johnson (1957-1962) (Democratic) (Texas)
37. Wayne Morse (1962-1965) (Democratic) (Oregon)
38. Clifford Hansen (1965-1969) (Republican-Progressive) (Wyoming)
39. Wayne Morse (1969-1973) (Democratic) (Oregon)

Fictional political figures (1973 onwards)
40. Michael Leader (1973-1977) (Republican-Progressive) (Pennsylvania) (previously Senator from Pennsylvania)
41. Jack Hoffman (1977-1981) (Democratic) (Wisconsin) (previously Mayor of Milwaukee)
42. Timothy Coleman (1981-1981) (Republican-Progressive) (Ohio) (previously Governor of Ohio)
43. Elizabeth Winfield (1981-1989) (Republican-Progressive) (Kansas) (previously VP and Senator from Kansas) (first female president)
44. Tommy Mahfouz (1989-1997) (Democratic) (Louisiana) (previously Governor of Louisiana) (first black president and first Arab president)
45. Lucas Craig (1997-2002) (Republican-Progressive) (Minnesota) (previously Representative from Minnesota's 7th)
46. Sheila Synar (2002-2009) (Republican-Progressive) (Oklahoma) (previously VP and Governor of Oklahoma)
47. Fernando Franco (2009-2017) (Democratic) (Puerto Rico) (previously Representative from Puerto Rico's 4th) (first Hispanic president)
48. Adam Sharp (2017-present) (Republican-Progressive) (Idaho) (previously Senator from Idaho)

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

There are likely a few communist countries left ITTL, but no major superpowers even claim to be communist, with the US and China being liberal democracies and Russia descending into national populism

Really? Russia was the USSR in this timeline, too (as far as I can see?) and now is descending into something like fascism? Or even Nazism? Could you tell me more about Russia and/or national populism?

 

[Goweegie2]

Really? Russia was the USSR in this timeline, too (as far as I can see?) and now is descending into something like fascism? Or even Nazism? Could you tell me more about Russia and/or national populism?

Yeah Russia was the USSR, but they collapsed and were democratic for a bit but are now ruled by a strongman, similar to what happened to Russia OTL with Putin, just more towards the national populist end of the spectrum ITTL. National populism is similar to fascism, but more vague and broad. Although "fascism" as a word ITTL is considered a subset of Valkism, specifically the Italian variant created by Italo Balbo

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

I can also help with some party names or so in Germany (including the Rhineland and Schleswig-Holstein).

Thanks for answering my questions and following me, @Goweegie2 !

And some more questions:

• What is the Jewish Commonwealth like? Is it democratic? Why "Jewish Commonwealth" instead of "Israel" as a name, and is it commonly called Israel?
• Are Palestinians treated any better in the JC?
• How did transitions between the Second, Third and Fourth Republics go?
• You said that Dressler did "expel" minorities/people. More like Miloševic then, with full-on ethnic cleansing and massacres like OTL Srebrenica? Or was it more "deport them all!" without killing people? Who were the victims of this expelling?
• How were and how are Jews treated in Valkist/fascist/national populist states?
• Was or is there any Syndicalist state (there are plenty of 'em in Kaiserreich after all)?
• Could you tell me more about the Warmian Republic? Why the name Warmian - who chose that for what basically is East Prussia? Who lives there (Germans?) and what is its government like?
• What (main) factions are fighting the Phoenician Civil War?

 

[Goweegie2]

I can also help with some party names or so in Germany (including the Rhineland and Schleswig-Holstein).

Thanks! Help is always appreciated, and I'll be sure to credit you if you do help out

Thanks for answering my questions and following me, @Goweegie2 !

No problem!

What is the Jewish Commonwealth like? Is it democratic? Why "Jewish Commonwealth" instead of "Israel" as a name, and is it commonly called Israel?

It's called the Jewish Commonwealth because it was called the Jewish Commonwealth in alpha 0.1 of Führerreich before being changed to the Jewish Protectorate, so I assumed the Jewish Commonwealth would be its post-independence name

And yeah, it's a democracy, specifically a constitutional monarchy under the British monarchy and a Commonwealth of Nations parallel

It's likely commonly called something like "Judea", or just referred to as the "Jewish Commonwealth" like Czechia was exclusively called the Czech Republic in English up until a couple of years ago

Are Palestinians treated any better in the JC?

There's likely discrimination, but they likely had to tone it down due to the EA's policies against ethnic discrimination

How did transitions between the Second, Third and Fourth Republics go?

Haven't decided yet, but it was definitely peaceful and involved the various parliaments, Chancellors, and Presidents passing new constitutions after the old ones began to show cracks or popular movements to update the constitutions happened

You said that Dressler did "expel" minorities/people. More like Miloševic then, with full-on ethnic cleansing and massacres like OTL Srebrenica? Or was it more "deport them all!" without killing people? Who were the victims of this expelling?

Yeah, similar to Miloševic. There was killing and massacres, but only against those who refused to either leave or give up their culture

The victims of the expulsions were largely Jews, Romanis, and Slavs, just like the OTL Holocaust

Was or is there any Syndicalist state (there are plenty of 'em in Kaiserreich after all)?

Nah, syndicalism never really became a thing ITTL unlike Kaiserreich, but there were likely one or two anarchist states much like there were in OTL Ukraine and Catalonia

Could you tell me more about the Warmian Republic? Why the name Warmian - who chose that for what basically is East Prussia? Who lives there (Germans?) and what is its government like?

I think there's a possible puppet releasable in the Führerreich called Ermland located in East Prussia, which I translated to Warmia. Mostly Germans live there, but some Poles, as well as some Russians who moved there during the Cold War. It's called Warmia instead of Prussia to distance it from the militaristic history of Prussia AFAIK

What (main) factions are fighting the Phoenician Civil War?

Likely similar to the OTL Syrian Civil War. So, the authoritarian government, dubiously moderate rebels, Islamists, Kurdish separatists, possibly some Maronite nationalists, etc.