A Polish victory?

WI Poland won the Polish-Soviet war?
How could it have been done?
How it affects WWII?
 

yourworstnightmare

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Newsflash: Poland did win the Polish- Soviet war (kind of, I mean they won the battle of Warszaw and were able to expand their borders eastward, a Polish defeat would be the Russkies winning at Warszaw). That's why they were able to expand beyond the Curzon line.
 
Newsflash: Poland did win the Polish- Soviet war (kind of, I mean they won the battle of Warszaw and were able to expand their borders eastward, a Polish defeat would be the Russkies winning at Warszaw). That's why they were able to expand beyond the Curzon line.

You know what I mean, the victory in this TL is not a limited victory but a decisive one, with an Ukraine repoblic and the Eastren European Union is created
 
You know what I mean, the victory in this TL is not a limited victory but a decisive one, with an Ukraine repoblic and the Eastren European Union is created

For Poland to carve out Pilsudski's proposed sphere of influence in Belarus, Ukraine, and the Baltic would have required the Bolshevik government going under and Russia collapsing into warlordism and disorder, followed by Franco-Polish intervention to support the Directorate.

This would certainly butterfly away WW2 as we know it.

As for what would happen, well, Poland and Ukraine would not get on famously forever, that much is for sure.
 
You know what I mean, the victory in this TL is not a limited victory but a decisive one, with an Ukraine repoblic and the Eastren European Union is created

A more decisive polish victory will probably give the Poles more territories in Bielorussia and the Podolia region but also a bigger problem of minorities...

An ASB polish victory creating an ukrainian republic allied with Poland means that every russian regime : monarchist, republican, nationalist, or communist, will try to crush this ukrainian republic in the 20's or the 30's...
 

yourworstnightmare

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A more decisive polish victory will probably give the Poles more territories in Bielorussia and the Podolia region but also a bigger problem of minorities...

An ASB polish victory creating an ukrainian republic allied with Poland means that every russian regime : monarchist, republican, nationalist, or communist, will try to crush this ukrainian republic in the 20's or the 30's...
Not to mention the Ukrainians themselves.:rolleyes:
 
Not to mention the Ukrainians themselves.:rolleyes:

I think people sometimes underestimate Ukrainianness, but if the Poles are planning to keep the lands of right-bank Ukraine in the hands of the Polish landholding class, they're going to be about as popular with the peasants as Skoropadskiy, true.

The heart of it is that the Ukrainian peasants didn't care about national questions one way or the other but did care a great deal about land questions. So a lot depends on what sort of regime there is in Russia, eventually.

An ASB polish victory creating an ukrainian republic allied with Poland means that every russian regime : monarchist, republican, nationalist, or communist, will try to crush this ukrainian republic in the 20's or the 30's...

That's a simplification. Suppose a lefty republic eventually came about in Russia? Now Poland's problem is more that Russia looks a lot more attractive to large sections of Ukrainian society than any Ukraine which leaves Polish and other landlords in possession of their estates.

And Poland did not prove outstanding at winning over educated Ukrainian sentiment, to bowdlerise considerably.
 
No, the OP is pretty much wondering if a ultimate Wikipedia approved Polewank is possible.

Not sure how much more you could wank the Poles out in that war. They achieved all their territorial ambitions against the Soviet Union.

Poland was bloated to the point that every neighbor had territorial ambitions on it. I suppose you could somehow argue for a Polish aquiisition of some German territory, though that pretty much happened OTL.
 
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