A plausibility check: Maniakes becoming Emperor?

Constantine Doukas? He seemed to have gained some influence after marrying Eudokia Makrembolitissa.

Maybe. Assuming Maniakes reigns three years (so say this is in 1047), what has Doukass (no, that's not a typo) done by this point?
 
Maybe. Assuming Maniakes reigns three years (so say this is in 1047), what has Doukass (no, that's not a typo) done by this point?

Not much. He's married Eudokia who's the niece of Patriarch Michael Keroularios. In 1057, he intially supported Issac Comnenus but then switched over to the court bureaucracy. Via the influence of Michael Psellos, a monk, he was made Issac's heir. Don't know if Maniakes would go out the same way as Issac.
 
Not much. He's married Eudokia who's the niece of Patriarch Michael Keroularios. In 1057, he intially supported Issac Comnenus but then switched over to the court bureaucracy. Via the influence of Michael Psellos, a monk, he was made Issac's heir. Don't know if Maniakes would go out the same way as Issac.

Probably not.

Doukass might become emperor later though. God forbid. :eek:
 
Probably not.

Doukass might become emperor later though. God forbid. :eek:

I can see why. Losing southern Italy and trying to unite the Armenian and Byzantine churches which leads to absolute chaos, yeah he would be bad.

:p

I think we already drawn out as much discussion as we could from this topic. So not much changes except for the possibility of the Byzantines expanding some more (which is likely to be lost eventually)
 
I can see why. Losing southern Italy and trying to unite the Armenian and Byzantine churches which leads to absolute chaos, yeah he would be bad.

:p

Losing southern Italy, scrapping Isaac's attempts at rebuilding the army, disbanding military forces in the East...

Sufficient to say, Manzikert happened because Doukass was a Dumbass.

Exaggeration? I don't think so.

I think we already drawn out as much discussion as we could from this topic. So not much changes except for the possibility of the Byzantines expanding some more (which is likely to be lost eventually)
Yeah. And at least temporally lost - you need another strong dynasty like the Macedonians were for most of their existence (for purposes of this, Maniakes is not a member of the dynasty whether adopted as Zoe's son or not), and Maniakes isn't sounding like the man to make that. But it might not be as bad as OTL.

This was an interesting look at the early-mid 11th century.
 
One thing. Let's say Maniakes is a decent Emperor and manages to last a while as Emperor, if not a long time. Would his reaction to the Seljuk Turks be the same as Diogenes?
 
One thing. Let's say Maniakes is a decent Emperor and manages to last a while as Emperor, if not a long time. Would his reaction to the Seljuk Turks be the same as Diogenes?

Depends on what you mean, but I think he'd go out seeking to stomp on them, yes.
 
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