A physically healthy Hitler better or worse for humanity

There seems to be some agreement that the monster had deteriorated during World War Two.

Had he been healthier would the Nazis have come nearer to winning and managed to order more murders?

Or would his being more in charge have caused so many awful deciisons that the war might have ended earlier?
 
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BlondieBC

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There seems to be some agreement that the monster had deteriorated during World War Two.

Had he been healthier would the Nazis have come nearer to winning and managed to order more murders?

Or would his being more in charge have caused so many awful deciisons that the war might have ended earlier?

If you make him healthier and prevent his addiction to speed, he likely makes wiser decisions; and the better the Nazi do, the more civilians massacred. Each month added to the war is probably over 500,000 more dead civilians and military personnel.
 
He had syphilis. Even if he were otuwardly healthy, his mental state would have crumbled over time, so I honestly doubt he would have made any better decisions. The problem was in his deranged syphilis addled mind, not so much his body.

Now were he MENTALLY healthy....who knows what greatness might have come out of him.
 
He had syphilis. Even if he were otuwardly healthy, his mental state would have crumbled over time, so I honestly doubt he would have made any better decisions. The problem was in his deranged syphilis addled mind, not so much his body.

So whoever gave Hitler clap is the true unsung hero or heroine of WW2.

Maybe that's why he wiped out Enrst Rohm (and the SA). Rohm gave him VD.
 

BlondieBC

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SO take away the Parkinsons, the Syphiliss, the Addiction to speed and what does that leave us with?

Different people come up with different illnesses. He did not have all of the illnesses people attribute to him. What you get is easy to see. It is the risk seeking, highly evil, highly intelligent, highly charismatic leader we see from 1933 to 1940, not the weak, old-man we see in 1944. Early on Hitler was much more able to adapt his strategies to meet long-term goals than his later paranoid years. He adapted in Munich, Narvik, and Molotov-Ribbentrobben pact. It is impossible to say what he does differently, but he probably make fewer mistakes, which might have some large impacts. For example,

1) Cancel Kursk at last moment.

2) Better 1942 decision making in Army Group South.

3) Allow the early jets to be only fighters, not bombers.

4) Better forces deployment in France in 1944.
 
Different people come up with different illnesses. He did not have all of the illnesses people attribute to him. What you get is easy to see. It is the risk seeking, highly evil, highly intelligent, highly charismatic leader we see from 1933 to 1940, not the weak, old-man we see in 1944. Early on Hitler was much more able to adapt his strategies to meet long-term goals than his later paranoid years. He adapted in Munich, Narvik, and Molotov-Ribbentrobben pact. It is impossible to say what he does differently, but he probably make fewer mistakes, which might have some large impacts. For example,

1) Cancel Kursk at last moment.

2) Better 1942 decision making in Army Group South.

3) Allow the early jets to be only fighters, not bombers.

4) Better forces deployment in France in 1944.

That looks like a wish list on how to win the war for Germany rather than an assessment of medical problems on Hitler's decision making ability.

Hitler in 1942 was still thinking clearly enough.

When talking about his judgement it's important to remember that from 1933 to 1942 he had been right about almost every military decision. Even his mistakes were nothing compared to those made by other leaders.

These decisions had often been made against advice from his generals or advisers. When you think you've been right from 1933 to 1942 and have 'proved' yourself to be a better strategist and better leader of men than so called experts you aren't going to suddenly take advice from the lesser men who surrounded him in 1943.

Hitler was gambler who acted against advice when he entered the Rhineland in 1936, planning to invade the Sudetenland in 1938, invade Poland, trying to push the German army into invading the West in November 1939 with winter coming, invading the Soviet Union without accurate intelligence reports and no winter clothing, not retreating on the Eastern Front in December 1941.

Not listening to advice and being inflexible was his style. That's why we nickname power crazy people who don't take advice and make unreasonable demands a 'Hitler'.

From 1933 to 1942 he got away with it. After 1942 he didn't. IMO Better health would simply have made him even better at not listening.
 

BlondieBC

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That looks like a wish list on how to win the war for Germany rather than an assessment of medical problems on Hitler's decision making ability.

Hitler in 1942 was still thinking clearly enough.

When talking about his judgement it's important to remember that from 1933 to 1942 he had been right about almost every military decision. Even his mistakes were nothing compared to those made by other leaders.

These decisions had often been made against advice from his generals or advisers. When you think you've been right from 1933 to 1942 and have 'proved' yourself to be a better strategist and better leader of men than so called experts you aren't going to suddenly take advice from the lesser men who surrounded him in 1943.

Hitler was gambler who acted against advice when he entered the Rhineland in 1936, planning to invade the Sudetenland in 1938, invade Poland, trying to push the German army into invading the West in November 1939 with winter coming, invading the Soviet Union without accurate intelligence reports and no winter clothing, not retreating on the Eastern Front in December 1941.

Not listening to advice and being inflexible was his style. That's why we nickname power crazy people who don't take advice and make unreasonable demands a 'Hitler'.

From 1933 to 1942 he got away with it. After 1942 he didn't. IMO Better health would simply have made him even better at not listening.

No, it is a list of some of Hitler's poor decisions that he made. As I said, we don't know which decision are different, but we do know ill health and drugs normally lead to worse decision making.

I don't see 1941 or 1942 as great decision years for Hitler. Invading Russia, attacking Moscow, and the general 1942 campaign were not great decisions. In his early years, he was a gambler with great instinct. In the later years, a gambler with poor instinct. To me this looks more like drug addition than meglomania. Many other leaders had long strings of victories (over 8 years) with losing the ability to make decisions.
 
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