A penny for your thoughts: Channel War by 2024. POD?

Hi everybody!
I need for a novel I am writing a Channel War between an authoritarian right-wing UK and a more or less united UE in 2024. Immediately prior to the DoW, the UE shall comprise all of its current territory minus the UK plus Ukraine and the whole Balkans. King Charles III shall retain the crown of some or all Commonwealth realms, with his government-in-exile on the island of Man (under UE protection) being recognised as the sole legitimate British government by most democracies.
What (latest) PoD do you think is appropriate?

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Regards,
JS
 
You're probably going to get a bunch of "this is ASB" responses. You'll need to strongly pervert Britain's political culture. Maybe, a series of terrorist attacks by Islamists leads to an anti-immigrant movement rather like the EDL taking power? It might help to have Britain on the Euro for awhile, I can't imagine them liking having to bail out Greece and Ireland and whoever else is coming down the pipe.

In all honesty though I think the only way to make the scenario plausible is to have the PoD go all the way back to before WWII, because that was when fascism was (or seemed) a viable political ideology. Maybe some changes then lead to people considering fascism and Nazism two different things, like if Italy was on the Allies, or there were fascist regimes in Eastern Europe that the West supported against the Soviets.

IIRC, Charles is considering taking another name upon ascending to the throne, but I'm not sure. Worth looking up.
 

archaeogeek

Banned
Massive nuclear war.

The US has access to the keys to the british nuclear arsenal. I trust they can disable it (I feel sad for having to trust a foreign country for that but given British sub commanders are still under a "officer and gentleman" arrangement when even France is aware that it's better to risk losing a war than risking losing the world, I'll trust even the americans to stop idiots in Whitehall or in a HMS from pushing the red button)

That said a right wing totalitarian regime in Britain would probably face off a civil war, first.
 
No, I meant you'd need a massive nuclear war to a) unite the EU into a federal state by 2024 and b) to send Britain into a fascistic republican setup.

Also, Charles will indeed not be Charles III, he'll be George VII.
 
Ok, first, thanks for your feedback. Hope there will be more.
Mrig: Islamist attacks seem a good scenario.
As for bailouts, I was thinking more along the lines of a financial problems within the UK. Let's imagine this: sometime during the crisis, a large scale speculative attack on the Sterling Pound causes the interest rates of British sovereign debt to sky-rocket => the government finds itself unable to raise money on the markets => state bankruptcy => policemen aren't paid anymore => people loot in the cities or organize themselves into militias to protect their property => chaos => some guy not overly concerned with democracy steps in and pledges to "restore order" if people do what he says => and that's it!
Archeogeek: civil war, perhaps... or perhaps not. If people are to tired of the ongoing unrest they might actually welcome this. Now, if there's a coup, that's something else.
BTW, I have never said that this government had to be fascist. Latin American-style military junta would be "fine" as well.

Meadow: I was mistaken about Charles III, thanks for correcting me.
 
IN OTL, in 1926, Ronald Knox broadcast a show titled Broadcast from the Barricades which portrayed a massive civil war in London. Around 1936, Hearst newspapers published a series of pictures claiming to show "anti-monarchist" riots outside Buckingham Palace.

What if those events actually took place?
 
Hi everybody!
I need for a novel I am writing a Channel War between an authoritarian right-wing UK and a more or less united UE in 2024. Immediately prior to the DoW, the UE shall comprise all of its current territory minus the UK plus Ukraine and the whole Balkans. King Charles III shall retain the crown of some or all Commonwealth realms, with his government-in-exile on the island of Man (under UE protection) being recognised as the sole legitimate British government by most democracies.
What (latest) PoD do you think is appropriate?

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would probably already BE a part of a United, Federalised, European Union in such a situation, unfortunately. ;)
 

Hendryk

Banned
I need for a novel I am writing a Channel War between an authoritarian right-wing UK and a more or less united UE in 2024.S
My advice would be to rethink your premise, because the idea of UK splitting from continental Europe is rather a cliché of speculative fiction. It was already trite back when George Orwell imagined Oceania and Eurasia, and since then it's been seen everywhere, from "V for Vendetta" to "Children of Men". And even if you ignore that there's the implausibility of a war between fellow NATO members.
 
Hi everybody!
I need for a novel I am writing a Channel War between an authoritarian right-wing UK and a more or less united UE in 2024. Immediately prior to the DoW, the UE shall comprise all of its current territory minus the UK plus Ukraine and the whole Balkans. King Charles III shall retain the crown of some or all Commonwealth realms, with his government-in-exile on the island of Man (under UE protection) being recognised as the sole legitimate British government by most democracies.
What (latest) PoD do you think is appropriate?

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Regards,
JS

what is the uk in 2024 have scotland or wales left the union.

has the uk taken over Ireland (as its called the channel war not the channel and Irish sea war)
 
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