A Peaceful Yugoslav Break-up

With a POD of no earlier than 1945 what would have had to happen to facilitate a velvet divorce-like breakup of Yugoslavia?
 
No. The ethnicites already hate each others guts by then.

The difference between Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia was that the latter had a clear ethnic boundary between Czechs and Slovaks. The only place in Yugoslavia that was remotely comparable was Slovenia (and maybe Macedonia, but Macedonia was allowed to go peacefully in OTL), so at the very most you could butterfly the Ten-Day War away allowing Slovenia to leave like Macedonia did, but a peaceful division of the remaining republics is very unlikely considering the ethnic mess Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Serbia were/are and the level of hatred between Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs.
 
ethnic resentment after 1945 was nowhere near hating to guts anyone in post war Jugoslavia. It was mainly born after 1970, when Croatia and Slovenia started thinking (with some good reasons) that they were just subsidizing unproductive regions.

Aniway, to arrange for a peaceful breakup, you have to elect at least a saner leadership in Croatia. Also, greater success of non-ethnic parties in Bosnia could be a great bonus.
 

abc123

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Aniway, to arrange for a peaceful breakup, you have to elect at least a saner leadership in Croatia. Also, greater success of non-ethnic parties in Bosnia could be a great bonus.

Surely, that's because Croatia had power over JNA and Croatia attacked Serbia and Macedonia and Slovenia, Croatia killed thousands of people in Serbia etc.
:rolleyes:
Did you use toomuch alchohol and drugs today?
 
Surely, that's because Croatia had power over JNA and Croatia attacked Serbia and Macedonia and Slovenia, Croatia killed thousands of people in Serbia etc.
:rolleyes:
Did you use toomuch alchohol and drugs today?

No, I was just thinking the easiest way: removing Milosevic needs extensive Serbian political What Ifs well into the 80s, with extensive ramifications on Federal level, whereas it's not cast in stone that the most chauvinist wing of HDZ gets prominent in Croatia, thus triggering fears in the local and Bosnian Serbian populations on which chauvinist serbian leaders could draw upon.

Had a saner leader or simply cooler heads in Parliament prevailed in Croatia, Croatian Serbs wouldn't have been mistreated and this would have killed in infancy rebellions in Krajna and Slavonia, and eliminated a fair deal of arguments availableto Karadzic and murderous pals.

Of course, had Germany actually pursued a somewhat different foreign policy, things would have been easier.
 

abc123

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No, I was just thinking the easiest way: removing Milosevic needs extensive Serbian political What Ifs well into the 80s, with extensive ramifications on Federal level, whereas it's not cast in stone that the most chauvinist wing of HDZ gets prominent in Croatia, thus triggering fears in the local and Bosnian Serbian populations on which chauvinist serbian leaders could draw upon.

Had a saner leader or simply cooler heads in Parliament prevailed in Croatia, Croatian Serbs wouldn't have been mistreated and this would have killed in infancy rebellions in Krajna and Slavonia, and eliminated a fair deal of arguments availableto Karadzic and murderous pals.

Of course, had Germany actually pursued a somewhat different foreign policy, things would have been easier.

This is too much for me tonight- only this:
pillow-fail-face-guys-ass.jpg
 
As you prefer. I might point out that the EU Badinter Commission didn't think that Croatia had reached the necessary steps in order to guarantee its minorities, and thus wasn't eligible for EU recognition, but you can stay happy with the conventional "All Serbs just woke up in a klling frenzy some day in 1991" version. ;)

Tudjman was as treacherous and xenophobic as Karadzic: no de-serbification of croatian public administration, no "ustasha scare", less people willing to listen to murderous loonies like Mate Boban.

Of course, no Milosevic pretty much solves a huge part of the problem, but this, as I've said before, it's just more difficult than Stipe Mesic politically outmaneuvering the Minister for Defence in the power struggle within HDZ.
 

abc123

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As you prefer. I might point out that the EU Badinter Commission didn't think that Croatia had reached the necessary steps in order to guarantee its minorities, and thus wasn't eligible for EU recognition, but you can stay happy with the conventional "All Serbs just woke up in a klling frenzy some day in 1991" version. ;)

Tudjman was as treacherous and xenophobic as Karadzic: no de-serbification of croatian public administration, no "ustasha scare", less people willing to listen to murderous loonies like Mate Boban.

Of course, no Milosevic pretty much solves a huge part of the problem, but this, as I've said before, it's just more difficult than Stipe Mesic politically outmaneuvering the Minister for Defence in the power struggle within HDZ.

Look, I see that you are:
a) simply don't know the real facts or/and
b) are a Serb-wank

And I dont want to discuss further with you while you don't get rid things under a) and/or b).

Good night.
 
thus triggering fears in the local and Bosnian Serbian populations on which chauvinist serbian leaders could draw upon.

They drawed upon the very fact Croatia wanted independence. The Serbs and JNA didnt want Yugoslavia to break up and they took up arms because of that. There were no attacks on Serbs before the war; the worst thing that happened to them was the fact they were classified in the constitution as a national minority rather then a constituent nation.

Also, Croatia and Slovenia offered a confederate organisation to what was left of Yugoslavia; Milosevic rejected. Milosevic also broke the federal constitution, causing people in Croatia and Slovenia to think he was pushing for Serb hegemony. If you want a peaceful break-up, and not a surviving Yugoslavia, you NEED to get rid of Milosevic. Hell, if you want a surviving Yugoslavia, you still need to get rid of him.
 
This is very improbable. Maybe Croatia leaves peacefully but anyone after them (and not Macedonia) will end up having to use force to leave Yugoslavia.
 
These POD could be very useful for a peaceful break up of Yugoslavia.

1) Bosnia and Herzegovina is not created in the borders it was.

2) Strengthening of the Bosnian Muslim identity isn't supported by federal goverment.

3) Borders of post WW II republics are primarely drawn on ethnic and economic lines.

4) Republics are given complete monetary autonomy.
 
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