A number of surviving roman states

Well, there is one time where rome broke into several smaller empire like the gaulic empire and so on.

Now, instead of breaking off into 2 empire, the roman empire is broken up into at the least 5 empire, one roman empire that include greece, one empire that include gaul, one empire that control britian, one empire that control Italy, one that control spain, and one that control the middle east and africa.


Also, they will be recongized as a roman empire or part of the empire instead of newly declared kingdoms.

Furthermore, they will be allies most of the time, with a rule saying any outsider attacks against one roman empire means they will have to deal with ALL the roman empires.

The time of the split can be up to you all to decide.
 
Is this an AH challenge? The idea of the Roman Empire being split up into more pieces is one thing, those exact borders is much less plausible.
 
Make the Diocletian era a Pentarchy instead of Tetrarchy. When Diocletian divides the Roman empire, he makes five states each ruled by one of the Pentarchs.
 

Sargon

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Make the Diocletian era a Pentarchy instead of Tetrarchy. When Diocletian divides the Roman empire, he makes five states each ruled by one of the Pentarchs.

That may be possible, but the trouble is, I can't see them remaining allies with each other for long. Just too many of them.


Sargon
 
That may be possible, but the trouble is, I can't see them remaining allies with each other for long. Just too many of them.


Sargon

In some ways that may be what saves them, their military competition keeps the center of each area from becoming complacent.

What would be the areas? My guess is 1) Spain and Northern Africa to Tripoli, 2) Egypt, 3) Middle East to Anatolia, 4) Greece, Anatolia, Balkans, 5) Italy, Gaul and Britain.
 

ninebucks

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The Afro-Asian Empire conquers the Greek, while the remaining empires have their infrastructures destroyed by settling Germanics.
 
The Afro-Asian Empire conquers the Greek, while the remaining empires have their infrastructures destroyed by settling Germanics.

And so we get another Byzantine Empire *sigh*. I don't see any way around it, though.

Norman said:
In some ways that may be what saves them, their military competition keeps the center of each area from becoming complacent.

What would be the areas? My guess is 1) Spain and Northern Africa to Tripoli, 2) Egypt, 3) Middle East to Anatolia, 4) Greece, Anatolia, Balkans, 5) Italy, Gaul and Britain.
I'm not really sure about the last one. Assuming they keep the capital in Rome, their territory would be too stretched out and vulnerable to Spanish expansionism or the next Germanic migration. My guess would be;

1. Italy and mainland Greece
2. Anatolia and the Middle East, plus the Greek islands
3. Egypt and all of North Africa except for Mauretania
4. Hispania, Mauretania, and maybe Corsica and Sardinia (not sure about those)
5. Gaul and Britannia
 
To throw in my two cents...

Gallic Empire: Prefecture of Gaul (Spain, Gaul, Britain)
Roman Empire: Prefecture of Italy (Italy, Africa, Dalmatia)
Empire of Aegyptus: Egypt, Libya, Cyprus
Empire of Hellas: All of the Balkans east of Dalmatia, Ionia, the Crimea and western Asia Minor.
Syriac Empire: Eastern Anatolia, Greater Syria (Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia).
 
In some ways that may be what saves them, their military competition keeps the center of each area from becoming complacent.

What would be the areas? My guess is 1) Spain and Northern Africa to Tripoli, 2) Egypt, 3) Middle East to Anatolia, 4) Greece, Anatolia, Balkans, 5) Italy, Gaul and Britain.

1, 2, and 4 are feasible. 3 Makes little sense. They are basically sandwhiched in a narrow corridor between the Sassanians, the Egyptians, and the Byzantine Equivalents; all of whom will want those tempting but vulnerable targets. 5 is problematic because that is incredibly overstretched, and vulnerable to Germans from the North and east, Byzantines from the East, and Spaniards from the South and west. It really is an indefensible position. More reasonable would be dividing 3 between 2 and 4 (you could give it all to one, egypt would be more likely in that case; if not, make the dividing line around Damascus or Antioch, perhaps farther north), and and change up (maybe give the boot and Sicily to the Byzantines, the north and the South of Franch to the Spaniards, and have northern and central gaul (division roughly dordonge-lot-rhone) going to Brittania).
 
1. Islands of the Mediterranean, the galley naval power.
2. Italy and Switzerland.
3. Greece and the Balkans.
4. Anatolia and the Levant.
5. Egypt and Libya.
6. Northern Africa
7. Spain.
8. Gaul.
9. Britain, the sailing naval power.
Islands of the Mediterranean gets all the Mediterranean harbors. Fortify them and keep all the land powers from building up naval forces and you basically control the balance of power in the Roman world.
Sure, the land powers can build lots of galleys in the territory they control. They can besiege and eventually take your harbor fortresses, even if they can't starve them out. But meanwhile you are moving their enemies forces around, supplying them, bribing and suborning their subordinants, etc.
Your job is to make sure they don't combine into a force too great for you to control. Attack anyone attempting to build a fleet. Attack anyone attempting to fortify a harbor, attack anyone fighting a war of conquest across the mountain ranges or straits. You don't care who wins as long as no one does.
Malta would be a good location, IMHO. Not much food, but you are a naval power. You are in bad shape if someone can blockade you in your chief harbor, or land an army on the island big enough to conquer it and then besiege your fortress in the harbor of Valetta.
If one of them wants to conquer outwards, that's a different story. Attack Germany, Ireland, the Ukraine, Persia, Yemen, Sudan, the islands of the Atlantic and Indian ocean, etc. No problem, Good luck. As long as you get the harbors of the conquered territories.
 
And so we get another Byzantine Empire *sigh*. I don't see any way around it, though.


I'm not really sure about the last one. Assuming they keep the capital in Rome, their territory would be too stretched out and vulnerable to Spanish expansionism or the next Germanic migration. My guess would be;

1. Italy and mainland Greece
2. Anatolia and the Middle East, plus the Greek islands
3. Egypt and all of North Africa except for Mauretania
4. Hispania, Mauretania, and maybe Corsica and Sardinia (not sure about those)
5. Gaul and Britannia

I agree with Number 5; well it did happen on occasion during the civil wars. I would be tempted to combine 1 and 4.
 
BUMP.

Is there any way for the roman empire as a whole to expand, if they are divided?

Hell, is it even possible to have a 'crusade' of the roman empire...as in the different empires marching together against a common enemy?


Or is it possible for the roman empires to survive the barbarian invasion, and avoid a sceanrio where europe was spilt into feudal states?
 
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