A Newly-Forged World: a Hunnic Pādeshāh

Hmm, they are 70 years too early. I smell massive butterflies.

Indeed. It means earlier conflict between the Romans with the Goths, Vandals, etc, earlier Hunnic invasions, earlier sacks of Rome, earlier formation of Barbaric kingdoms, etc...
Another interesting butterfly is that Arianism could never existed at all...thus leading to non-Christian Germanic kingdoms...

EDIT: Wait, I forget that Christianity wasn't Roman state religion yet...hell, even the Christianity could never becoming the state religion of Roman Empire at all...
 

Kosta

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Indeed. It means earlier conflict between the Romans with the Goths, Vandals, etc, earlier Hunnic invasions, earlier sacks of Rome, earlier formation of Barbaric kingdoms, etc...
Another interesting butterfly is that Arianism could never existed at all...thus leading to non-Christian Germanic kingdoms...

EDIT: Wait, I forget that Christianity wasn't Roman state religion yet...hell, even the Christianity could never becoming the state religion of Roman Empire at all...

The Huns are invading Persia, not Rome; the butterflies aren't going to mess with Rome too much right now. And don't worry: Christianity is still going to become the state-religion of Rome. The Huns are getting to Persia until 350 CE, so really by the time they actual conquer most of the Sassanid Empire Christianity is already going to become long established.
 
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The Huns are invading Persia, not Rome; the butterflies aren't going to mess with Rome too much right now.

Well...if that was the case, several interesting butterflies could arise too:

1. Both the Ostrogoths and Visigoths would never migrated westward, which means no Gothic War of 376 - 382 AD, no Battle of Adrianople, thus no Ostrogothic Italy and Visigothic Spain.

2. Vandals, Alans, and Suevi would never crossing the Rhine in 406 AD, as they didn't need to fleeing from the Huns and because Roman garrisons at the Rhine frontier never being pulled off to defend Italy from the Visigoths. Therefore, no Vandalic Africa.

3. I'm not too sure about the Franks, but there is a possibility that the POD could butterflying away the Merovingian dynasty altogether.

So...a longer-lasting Western Roman Empire, I guess?
 

Kosta

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Well...if that was the case, several interesting butterflies could arise too:

1. Both the Ostrogoths and Visigoths would never migrated westward, which means no Gothic War of 376 - 382 AD, no Battle of Adrianople, thus no Ostrogothic Italy and Visigothic Spain.

2. Vandals, Alans, and Suevi would never crossing the Rhine in 406 AD, as they didn't need to fleeing from the Huns and because Roman garrisons at the Rhine frontier never being pulled off to defend Italy from the Visigoths. Therefore, no Vandalic Africa.

3. I'm not too sure about the Franks, but there is a possibility that the POD could butterflying away the Merovingian dynasty altogether.

So...a longer-lasting Western Roman Empire, I guess?

406 CE had the coldest winter on record, that's one of the reasons the Germanic tribes fled southward and westward; they'll still all be coming into Europe and taking over Italy, Iberia, and a decent piece of Africa. Afterall, when you know the Rhine completely freezes over, it's cold.
 
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406 CE had the coldest winter on record, that's one of the reasons the Germanic tribes fled southward and westward; they'll still all be coming into Europe and taking over Italy, Iberia, and a decent piece of Africa. Afterall, when you know the Rhine completely freezes over, it's cold.

perhaps with less urgency? i mean, yes, the winter played a huge roll, but so did the huns. maybe the tribes in a more southern position remain?
 

Kosta

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perhaps with less urgency? i mean, yes, the winter played a huge roll, but so did the huns. maybe the tribes in a more southern position remain?

Well, there are the Finns are a'comin' as well, so although the Finns aren't as cut-throat as the Huns and scary as the Huns, I think the combined force of the Finns moving south and the winter will make the migration happen perhaps in slightly-smaller quantities, but either way, Western Europe is going to be drastically different, I assure you. And the Magyars are coming as well, and will combine with the Finns who will eventually settle along the Moskva River.

As for Goths that remain around the Crimea, I'm all for it, Xwarq and I will need to look into it; I think we did in the past but didn't write-down a lot of definitive results*.

*We share a Google Doc to work on this; it works as an information-storer and an instant chat-thingy; it's like combining Facebook with Word Document.
 
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Kosta

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And you all though I quit...

July 13th, 300
A forest near the Volga

In two minutes, the Aorsi and Sarmatians had hurried to the top of the hill and were in formation. The Hün horse-archers were probably close enough to shoot them. But the Aorsi and Sarmatians still could not see the Hün.

They were surprised to see that the Hün had hidden in a ditch that they had not even spotted before. And so now, the Aorsi and Sarmatians were on high ground, while the Hün had excellent cover. Where were the ordinary sword-wielding horsemen, though?

As it turned out, they attacked from the opposite side--but they were unpleasantly surprised to see the Aorsi and Sarmatians in their advantageous position, and in a circular formation so there was no flank to attack. A rain of arrows on the horsemen and most of them died--on the other side of the formation, Aorsi and Sarmatians tried to aim and mostly failed, and every ten seconds or so, an arrow would pierce an Aorsi or Sarmatian in the head.

They still heard marching.

July 13th, 300
A forest near the Volga

The Aorsi and Sarmatians could no longer say they were in an advantageous position. They were all huddled up on a hill, and only the horse archers could contribute to the battle--but they were being killed one by one, by Hün hiding in a mere ditch. The spearmen merely stood there, and no Hün horseman was dumb enough to charge up a hill with hundreds of spears facing outward from it.

And they still heard marching.

By about 15 minutes had passed, and the amount of Aorsi and Sarmatian horse archers was halved in number, and many spearmen were struck as well fatally with arrows. Most of the bodies in the huddle on the hill were dead.

And they still heard marching.

Suddenly, a rain of arrows fell from the sky, seemingly from all directions. It continued until the Aorsi and Sarmatians were a single digit in number.

A massive Hün contingent approached them and executed them.

The Hün had won. But would they be so successful in the future?
 
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glad to see the huns back in action!

keep it up.

hopefully the sarmatians, though set back by this loss, will fair better in the future
 

Kosta

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glad to see the huns back in action!

keep it up.

hopefully the sarmatians, though set back by this loss, will fair better in the future


Thank you :).

Oh, you can be sure the Sarmatians/Alans will play a very big role in the Eurasian-scene. Olé!
 
Huns in Persia = Fall of ERE (476?) :D

Anyway, as the title suggested, i smell Hun conquest of Arabia and not butterflied spread of Islam...;)

And once again, we soon see West vs. East...
 

Kosta

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That's a shame. :(

I do regret that, but even during its months of planning I focused too much on the future and not enough on establishing a strong-base; all my notes are worthless unless I can get the Huns to Persia. I'd say for me to do a reboot, but three updates hardly even makes a uchronie for me to remake.
 
I do regret that, but even during its months of planning I focused too much on the future and not enough on establishing a strong-base; all my notes are worthless unless I can get the Huns to Persia. I'd say for me to do a reboot, but three updates hardly even makes a uchronie for me to remake.

A reason why I rebooted mines.
 
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