A new wife for Franz Ferdinand

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Aye that it does re the quote.

And I think it might do potentially.
I think Sarajevo could well be butterflies with this marriage as could a host of things if one were inclined

Sorry, which quote?

The way I see it, FF was in Sarajevo as Heir to the Throne on an inspection tour as Inspector General of the Army. None of that would be butterflied by his marriage to a fellow royal? I mean his wife would be allowed to present in public with him, but he would still have duties to perform as Heir and still be Inspector General?
 
The quote in the link cali provided.

And that is very true though there is nothing to suggest that he'd still be killed
 
The way I see it, FF was in Sarajevo as Heir to the Throne on an inspection tour as Inspector General of the Army. None of that would be butterflied by his marriage to a fellow royal? I mean his wife would be allowed to present in public with him, but he would still have duties to perform as Heir and still be Inspector General?
My understanding was that his wife was lower class and not allowed to be beside him as prince and heir.

Apart from when he is acting as Inspector General of the Army his wife is simply the wife of the senior general and therefore can be beside him at the head of the table, so he chose to do as much inspection as he could get away with....thus taking him to Sarajevo.
 

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The quote in the link cali provided.

Right, thought so, was just checking.

And that is very true though there is nothing to suggest that he'd still be killed

Sorry, but is that a typo? Surely you mean nothing to suggest that he won't still be killed? Short of the whole bomb failure/shooter misses/FF survives his wounds tropes for a FF survival. Otherwise, I still don't see anything in the link (to the two pages shown when you click it, I didn't go through the whole book) to suggest he wouldn't be in Sarajevo in 1914.
 

NoMommsen

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If FF would marry different, in line with the "house laws", that would IMO not butterfly away his duty to visit Sarajevo. Therefore the chance of assasination would still be as "high" as it was IOTL (what was a coincidence of coincidences).

However, taken FF was as "active" with this wife as IOTL a presumptive heir would be of age 16 or 17 when Franz Josef dies. Not "old" enough to really ascend to the thron, at least not taking serously office.

Who would then act as his "placeholder" until he becomes of age to do so ?
 
An Italian princess is probably a no no. Any of Isabella II's three daughters from Spain. He was originally meant to marry one of the KIng of Saxony's two daughters.
 
Right, thought so, was just checking.



Sorry, but is that a typo? Surely you mean nothing to suggest that he won't still be killed? Short of the whole bomb failure/shooter misses/FF survives his wounds tropes for a FF survival. Otherwise, I still don't see anything in the link (to the two pages shown when you click it, I didn't go through the whole book) to suggest he wouldn't be in Sarajevo in 1914.
Nope no typo though I can see why one might think that.

So intetesting over all either a Saxon princess or a Spanish one?
 

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My point is what difference does it make? He'll still be in Sarajevo he'll still be killed.

This just changes his successor won't it? They'll be someone different to Karl to take over in 1916.
 
My point is what difference does it make? He'll still be in Sarajevo he'll still be killed.

This just changes his successor won't it? They'll be someone different to Karl to take over in 1916.

Would he though? That's the thing nothing in life is certain, and yes whilst there was a lot of planning for his assassination, there wasn't anything that could guarantee his death
 

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Would he though? That's the thing nothing in life is certain, and yes whilst there was a lot of planning for his assassination, there wasn't anything that could guarantee his death

His being in Sarajevo had nothing to do with his wife or children. It was an official trip in his role as Inspector General of the Army and had a tour coupled onto it as Heir to the Throne. If this POD is aimed at avoiding having FF in Sarajevo, there are better ones to chose.

Unless you're suggesting having a 'suitable' wife means FF is more involved in court life and is therefore too busy to make the trip to Sarajevo? Although that seems a bit 'handwavey' to me.
 
His being in Sarajevo had nothing to do with his wife or children. It was an official trip in his role as Inspector General of the Army and had a tour coupled onto it as Heir to the Throne. If this POD is aimed at avoiding having FF in Sarajevo, there are better ones to chose.

Unless you're suggesting having a 'suitable' wife means FF is more involved in court life and is therefore too busy to make the trip to Sarajevo? Although that seems a bit 'handwavey' to me.

Not suggesting anything of the sort. Was merely curious as to what consequences would be if Franz had fallen in love with someone of a suitable rank. But yes, now you mention it, taking this pod, and seeing him married to someone such as Mathilde, what would be a good pod for him to survive?
 

Coulsdon Eagle

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His being in Sarajevo had nothing to do with his wife or children. It was an official trip in his role as Inspector General of the Army and had a tour coupled onto it as Heir to the Throne. If this POD is aimed at avoiding having FF in Sarajevo, there are better ones to chose.

Unless you're suggesting having a 'suitable' wife means FF is more involved in court life and is therefore too busy to make the trip to Sarajevo? Although that seems a bit 'handwavey' to me.

His wife may insist on a comfort break that delays the return trip by car, so Princip misses his moment.

Anything like that really.
 

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Does anyone know if FF was Inspector General of the Army because he was Heir to the Throne or in spite of his being Heir? i.e. Did he take the role with the Army (which was a support base of his, IIRC) because his choice of wife froze him out of palace society? If it was the latter of the two, a 'suitable' wife would butterfly that role for him, ergo no inspection tour.
 

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His wife may insist on a comfort break that delays the return trip by car, so Princip misses his moment.

Anything like that really.

FF was a stickler for duty if anything, so that seems unlikely to make an effect. Also, you could have Sophie insist on a comfort break so there's no need for different wife. Lastly, Princip had given up already and was dejectedly waiting in a cafe when the car stalled outside. A minute here or there for a regal comfort break wouldn't affect his chances either way.
 
FF was a stickler for duty if anything, so that seems unlikely to make an effect. Also, you could have Sophie insist on a comfort break so there's no need for different wife. Lastly, Princip had given up already and was dejectedly waiting in a cafe when the car stalled outside. A minute here or there for a regal comfort break wouldn't affect his chances either way.
Very trutrue could simply have the car not stall
 
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