Murphy is not running. Helen Gahagan Douglas (D) won in 1958 and is easily winning reelection in this scenario.
A New Frontier with New Challenges (JFK Survives)
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Murphy is not running. Helen Gahagan Douglas (D) won in 1958 and is easily winning reelection in this scenario.
Republicans made major gains. Even though they only gained two Senate seats, they won some major races.
AZ - Fannin (R) held onto Goldwater's seat after a tough race v. outgoing Gov. Frohmiller (D). This is the second time they have challenged each other (Frohmiller won last time) and her second statewide loss (first one for Governor in 1950). Considering she began her career in 1924, this is the end of her elective career most likely. For Fannin, Goldwater's handpicked successor, it's a hold on a crucial Senate seat. Fannin only defeated Frohmiller 52%-48%.
CT - Gov. John Davis Lodge (R) will go to the Senate in the footsteps of his brother and late grandfather. He defeated scandal-tainted incumbent Sen. Thomas J. Dodd (D). It was a win for Dems in the Nutmeg state as Lt. Gov. Samuel J. Tedesco (D) will now succeed Lodge as Governor.
FL - Former Gov. LeRoy Collins (R) put together a winning coalition to defeat St. Petersburgh Mayor Herman Goldner (R).
MD - In a shocking upset, former Baltimore Mayor Philip H. Goodman (D) defeated Senator J. Glenn Beall, Jr. (R) by five points.
MI - U.S. Congressman Gerald Ford (R) will now move over to the Senate Chamber after defeating former Governor John Swainson (D) to pickup a former Democratic seat.
MN - State Attorney General Walter Mondale (DFL) had a tougher than expected challenge in businessman Wheelock Whitney (R) but will go to the Senate to hold onto retiring Senator Eugene McCarthy's Senate seat.
NV - By a margin of 124 votes, Lt. Governor Paul Laxalt (R) won a stunning upset defeating Senator Howard Cannon (D). Laxalt was strongly aided by both Goldwater and Western film star Ronald Reagan, Laxalt's best friend.
NM - Senator Jack Mechem (R) after being defeated for reelection appointed himself to the Senate in a sudden vacancy. New Mexico voters chose Secretary of State Betty Fiorina (D) to replace him to let him know he is not wanted anymore in elective office, a second time intwo years.
NY - In a highly watched and anticipated race, former NYC Mayor Robert F. Wagner, Jr. (D) followed in his father and namesakes footsteps to the U.S. Senate, deafeating Senator Kenneth B. Keating (R).
OH - "The Fourth Kennedy" as Robert A. Taft, Jr. (R) derisively called astronaut John A. Glenn (D) but to no avail. Glenn dispatched Taft who was attempting to follow his father's footsteps to the Senate and will now go to serve in the Senate as the first astronaut elected there.
TN - Former Gov. Frank G. Clement (D) has coveted this seat for years. He defeated Senator Nancy Kefauver (D) in the primary and by a mere 2,105 votes defeated first term Congressman Howard Baker (R) to win. Baker vows a rematch in two years when Clement must run for a full term.
TX - Another son following after his father to the Senate was successful. U.S. Congressman George H.W. Bush (R) of Houston, son of former Senator Prescott Bush (R) of Connecticut defeated liberal U.S. Senator Ralph W. Yarborough by five points as Goldwater carried the state.
WA - When Henry M. Jackson (D) became Vice President, John J. O'Connell (D) was appointed to the U.S. Senate. In a special election he defeated State Superintendent of Education Lloyd Andrews 54%-46% to serve a full term in his own right now.
Goldwater's Concession Speech
"I've waited 'til now, to see what happened in California, to make any statement about this election because I wanted to find out more of the details of the vote—not just the total but the spread of it, what it might portend at this very early date. I congratulate my colleague, Senator Helen Douglas on her sweeping reelection. It seems as if Helen also helped my good friend Jack....you all and I call him who he remains this evening....President Kennedy. [GROANS]
No no no there will be none of that. This was an election and campaign based on debating ideas and principles. The American people have spoken and I respect them. To the President I sent the following telegram: "Mr. President, congratulations on your victory. I will help you in any way that I can toward achieving a growing and better America and a secure and dignified peace. The role of the Republican party will remain in that temper but it also remains the party of opposition when opposition is called for. There is much to be done with Vietnam, Cuba, India, Pakistan and China, the problem of law and order in this country, and a productive economy. Communism remains our No. 1 obstacle to peace and I know that all Americans will join with you in honest solutions to these problems.”
I have no bitterness, no rancor at all. I say to the President as a fellow politician that he did a wonderful job. He put together a vote total that's larger than what we got. But we must be proud of the work we did. And I couldn't have done it without my running mate, Governor Nelson Rockefeller. While I am sorry his brother, Win, did not win in Arkansas, I know he'll be back and Nelson will remain working in New York on common principles we share. There is a two‐party system in this country and we're going to keep it. We're going to devote our days and the years ahead to strengthening the Republican party, to getting more people into it and I feel that the young people coming along will provide the army that we need.
This effort that we engaged in last Jan. 3 turns out to be a much longer effort than we thought. It's not an effort that we can drop now nor do we have any intentions of dropping it now.
I will devote—being unemployed as of Jan. 3 or thereabouts—I'll have a lot of time to devote to this party, to its leadership and to the strengthening of the party, and that I have every intention of doing. I want to just ask the people in this country who worked so hard in this election not to be despondent, that we have a job to do and let's get along with it, because there are many questions that have to be answered.
As I said in my wire, anything that I can do—and I'm sure that I speak for all Americans—anything that we can do to help the President get along with the solutions to these problems, we're ready, willing and able to do. With that, my fellow Americans, I thank you for the chance to have this wonderful debate and thank you for a wonderful chance to serve.
A short while later in Boston, the President claimed victory.
"First of all, congratulations to Senator Barry Goldwater on the service he has given this nation in so many capacities. It is my hope he will continue to find ways to serve. For me, my fellow Americans, 18 years ago I began a journey of service in elective office. Now one last time you have given me the chance to serve. Service above self is a calling to which we all should aspire. We can do better, America. They are deeply embedded in the history and purpose of this great Republic and the Democratic party. For the Democratic Party is not a collection of diverse interests brought together only to win elections. We are united instead by a common history and heritage--by a respect for the deeds of the past and a recognition of the needs of the future. Never satisfied with today, we have always staked our fortunes on tomorrow. That is the kind of country America has always been--that is the kind of vision and vitality which Americans have always possessed--and that is the reason why Americans I believe will always be basically democratic....note a small D.
Since the days of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and down to Harry S. Truman, the Democratic Party have contributed to each other's success. Our nation's rise to prosperity and wealth came primarily from the policies and programs of Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and Harry Truman. Those policies were shaped and enacted with the help of such men as the late Sam Rayburn and a host of other key Congressmen--by the former Senator who serves now as my strong right arm, Vice President Henry M. Jackson--and by an overwhelming proportion of Democratic leadership at the State and county level. But we must work with our Republican brothers and sisters, even if we fundamentally disagree, to make our great Republic work and continue to be prosperous.
Four years ago here in Boston, I pledged in 1960 to restore world confidence in the vitality and energy of American society. That pledge has been fulfilled. We have won the respect of allies and adversaries alike through our determined stand on behalf of freedom around the world, from West Berlin to Southeast Asia--through our resistance to Communist intervention in the Congo and Communist missiles in Cuba--and through our initiative in obtaining the nuclear test ban treaty which can stop the pollution of our atmosphere and start us on the path to peace. In San José and Mexico City, in Bonn and West Berlin, in Rome and County Cork, I saw and heard and felt a new appreciation for an America on the move--an America which has shown that it cares about the needy of its own and other lands, an America which has shown that freedom is the way to the future, an America which is known to be first in the effort for peace as well as preparedness.
I pledged in 1960 that the businessmen of this State and Nation--particularly the small businessman who is the backbone of our economy--would move ahead as our economy moved ahead. That pledge has been fulfilled. Business profits--having risen 43 percent in 2 years--now stand at a record high; and businessmen all over America are grateful for liberalized depreciation for the investment tax credit, and for our programs to increase their markets at home as well as abroad. We have proposed a massive tax reduction, with particular benefits for small business. We have stepped up the activities of the Small Business Administration, making available in the last 3 years almost $50 million to more than 1,000 Texas firms, and doubling their opportunity to share in Federal procurement contracts. Our party believes that what's good for the American people is good for American business, and the last 3 years have proven the validity of that proposition.
I pledged in 1960 that this country would no longer tolerate the lowest rate of economic growth of any major industrialized nation in the world. That pledge has been and is being fulfilled. In less than 3 years our national output will shortly have risen by a record $100 billion--industrial production is Up 22 percent, personal income is up 16 percent. And the Wall Street Journal pointed out a short time ago that the United States now leads most of Western Europe in the rate of business expansion and the margin of corporate profits. Here in Texas--where 3 years ago at the very time I was speaking, real per capita personal income was actually declining as the industrial recession spread to this State--more than 200,000 new jobs have been created, unemployment has declined, and personal income rose last year to an all time high. This growth must go on. Those not sharing in this prosperity must be helped. And that is why we have an accelerated public works program, an area redevelopment program, and a manpower training program, to keep this and other States moving ahead. And that is why we need a tax cut of $11 billion, as an assurance of future growth and insurance against an early recession. No period of economic recovery in the peacetime history of this Nation has been characterized by both the length and strength of our present expansion--and we intend to keep it going.
I pledged in 1960 to step up the development of both our natural and our human resources. That pledge has been fulfilled. The policy of "no new starts" has been reversed. The Canadian River project will provide water for 11 Texas cities. The San Angelo project will irrigate some 10,000 acres in Texas. Through the efforts just this year by now SENIOR Senator Claudia Lady Bird Johnson, we have launched 10 new watershed projects in Texas, completed 7 others, and laid plans for 6 more. We have bills for 7 new national parks, a new wildlife preserve, and other navigation, reclamation, and natural resource projects are all under way. At the same time we have sought to develop the human resources of the Nation, granting loans to 17,500 college students, making more than $17 million available to 249 school districts, and expanding or providing rural library service to Americans all across our nation. And if this Congress passes, as now seems likely, pending bills to build college classrooms, increase student loans, build medical schools, provide more community libraries, and assist in the creation of graduate centers, then this Congress will have done more for the cause of education than has been done by any Congress in modern history. Civilization, it was once said, is a race between education and catastrophe--and we intend to win that race for education.
I pledged in 1960 that a new administration would strive to secure for every American his full constitutional rights. That pledge has been and is being fulfilled. We have not yet secured the objectives desired or the legislation required. But we have, in the last 3 years, by working through voluntary leadership as well as legal action, opened more new doors to members of minority groups--doors to transportation, voting, education, employment, and places of public accommodation--than had been opened in any 3-year or 30-year period in this century. There is no noncontroversial way to fulfill our constitutional pledge to establish justice and promote domestic tranquillity, but we intend to fulfill those obligations because they are right.
I pledged in 1960 that we would set before the American people the unfinished business of our society. That pledge has been fulfilled. We have undertaken the first full-scale revision of our tax laws in 10 years. We have launched a bold new attack on mental illness, emphasizing treatment in the patient's own home community instead of some vast custodial institution. We have initiated a full-scale attack on mental retardation, emphasizing prevention instead of abandonment. We have revised our public welfare programs, emphasizing family rehabilitation instead of humiliation. And we have proposed a comprehensive realignment of our national transportation policy, emphasizing equal competition instead of regulation. Our agenda is still long, but this country is moving again.
I pledged in 1960 that our country would no longer engage in a lagging space effort. That pledge has been fulfilled. We are not yet first in every field of space endeavor, but we have regained worldwide respect for our scientists, our industry, our education, and our free initiative. We will by the end of this decade launch a man to the moon and return him safely to this earth! In the last 3 years, we have increased our annual space effort to a greater level than the combined total of all space activities undertaken in the 1950's. We have launched into earth orbit more than 4 times as many space vehicles as had been launched in the previous 3 years. We have focused our wide-ranging efforts around a landing on the moon in this decade. We have put valuable weather and communications satellites into actual operation. We will fire this December the most powerful rocket ever developed anywhere in the world. And we have made it clear to all that the United States of America has no intention of finishing second in outer space. This is still a daring and dangerous frontier; and there are those who would prefer to turn back or to take a more timid stance. But together we will see this battle through.
I pledged in 1960 to build a national defense which was second to none--a position I said, which is not "first, but," not "first, if," not "first, when," but first--period. That pledge has been fulfilled. In the past 3 years we have increased our defense budget by over 20 percent; increased the program for acquisition of Polaris submarines from 24 to 41; increased our Minuteman missile purchase program by more than 75 percent; doubled the number of strategic bombers and missiles on alert; doubled the number of nuclear weapons available in the strategic alert forces; increased the tactical nuclear forces deployed in Western Europe by 60 percent; added 5 combat ready divisions and 5 tactical fighter wings to our Armed Forces; increased our strategic airlift capabilities by 75 percent; and increased our special counter-insurgency forces by 600 percent. We can truly say today, with pride in our voices and peace in our hearts, that the defensive forces of the United States are, without a doubt, the most powerful and resourceful forces anywhere in the world.
Finally, I said that if Scoop Jackson and I were elected, we would get this country moving again. That pledge has been fulfilled. In nearly every field of national activity, this country is moving again--and now is our time. Now is the time for this generation to keep moving with it. From public works to public health, wherever Government programs operate, the past 3 years have seen a new burst of action and progress all over America. We have stepped up the fight against crime and slums and poverty in our cities, against the pollution of our streams, against unemployment in our industry, and against waste in the Federal Government. We have built hospitals and clinics and nursing homes. We have launched a broad new attack on mental illness and mental retardation. We have initiated the training of more physicians and dentists. We have provided 4 times as much housing for our elderly citizens, and we have increased benefits for those on social security.
For this country is moving and it must not stop. It cannot stop. For this is a time for courage and a time for challenge. Neither conformity nor complacency will do. Neither the fanatics nor the faint-hearted are needed. And our duty as a party is not to our party alone, but to the Nation, and, indeed., to all mankind. Our duty is not merely the preservation of political power but the preservation of peace and freedom.
So let us not be petty when our cause is so great. Let us not quarrel amongst ourselves when our Nation's future is at stake. Let us stand together with renewed confidence in our cause--united in our heritage of the past and our hopes for the future--and determined that this land we love shall lead all mankind into new frontiers of peace and abundance.
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I like the dialogue of the characters em in tone to what they would say in real,life..like i said earlier, It seems Goldwater would a lesser known politician to be his running mate like Ford.It seems also. Kennedy would of won a big landslide but had trouble in democratic southern states.As for senate governors race in real life Goldwater may not cost so many republicans their state wide elections.
You sound like your wrapping this up. are you??
QUESTION TO MY READERS
I am wrapping this up in a way. I am going to get him to his inaugaration but would like to see more discussion. Would you all like me to keep rolling with a new thread, maybe Return to Camelot and focus more on legislatively where things go as well as other events? Maybe add in more of the Civil Rights effort? I really would love some feedback from a number of y'all who have been liking my posts. I'd love hear more from President Earl Warren, Claybaskit, Mccarthypaddy1216, Electric Monk, etc if all of y'all were willing to speak. However, I have other areas I'd love to tackle. I'd love to have threads on Austria-Hungary under Emperor Franz Ferdinand that survives World War One. I'd love to go into a few other subjects. As some of you know though when you write these timelines, if you are invested, you are focused on that story and that story alone really.
Should I keep playing this scenario out?
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What you could do is a sequel set in 1976 with Robert f Kennedy trying to run for president or further into the 2000s with j.f.k junior. Another thing you could do is Nixon winning the governership. or him winning the presidency in 1960, In your tl you have Nixon as governor maybe you could do an update on that.
GOLDWATER & KENNEDY MEET AFTER ELECTION
Outgoing Senator Barry M. Goldwater (R) met with newly re-elected President John F. Kennedy (D) at a pre-planned "unity" meeting in Washington, D.C., two days after the election that culminated in their titanic clash for the White House.
The President and the soon to be departed U.S. Senator discussed issues facing the next few years.
Both had good words for each other with Kennedy saying Goldwater was "a good man and good legislator." Goldwater stated that Kennedy was "a gentleman who stood by his principles and is putting our nation first."
Interesting....though I find LBJ rather distasteful to be quite honest.
I am going to start a new timeline thread bearing those ideas in mind.
Another idea could be to have one where the Republicans are the ones to suffer all the turmoil in the 60s and have the dems nominate a nixon figure (Wallace, Scoop)
FINE'
President John F. Kennedy (D) was inaugurated for a second term on January 20, 1965 by Chief Justice Earl Warren.
In his address, President Kennedy stated: "Each time we gather to inaugurate a President we bear witness to the enduring strength of our Constitution. We affirm the promise of our democracy. We recall that what binds this nation together is not the colors of our skin or the tenets of our faith or the origins of our names. What makes us exceptional -- what makes us American -- is our allegiance to an idea articulated in a declaration made more than two centuries ago:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
Today we continue a never-ending journey to bridge the meaning of those words with the realities of our time. For history tells us that while these truths may be self-evident, they’ve never been self-executing; that while freedom is a gift from God, it must be secured by His people here on Earth. (Applause.) The patriots of 1776 did not fight to replace the tyranny of a king with the privileges of a few or the rule of a mob. They gave to us a republic, a government of, and by, and for the people, entrusting each generation to keep safe our founding creed.
The commitment I seek is not to outworn views but to old values that will never wear out. Programs may sometimes become obsolete, but the ideal of fairness always endures. Circumstances may change, but the work of compassion must continue. It is surely correct that we cannot solve problems by throwing money at them, but it is also correct that we dare not throw out our national problems onto a scrap heap of inattention and indifference. The poor may be out of political fashion, but they are not without human needs. The middle class may be angry, but they have not lost the dream that all Americans can advance together.
In the words of Tennyson, I call you to remember:
"I am a part of all that I have met
To [Tho] much is taken, much abides
That which we are, we are–
One equal temper of heroic hearts
Strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield"
We have learned that more is not necessarily better, that even our great Nation has its recognized limits, and that we can neither answer all questions nor solve all problems. We cannot afford to do everything, nor can we afford to lack boldness as we meet the future. So, together, in a spirit of individual sacrifice for the common good, we must simply do our best.
Our Nation can be strong abroad only if it is strong at home. And we know that the best way to enhance freedom in other lands is to demonstrate here that our democratic system is worthy of emulation.
To be true to ourselves, we must be true to others. We will not behave in foreign places so as to violate our rules and standards here at home, for we know that the trust which our Nation earns is essential to our strength.
The world itself is now dominated by a new spirit. Peoples more numerous and more politically aware are craving, and now demanding, their place in the sun--not just for the benefit of their own physical condition, but for basic human rights.
The passion for freedom is on the rise. Tapping this new spirit, there can be no nobler nor more ambitious task for America to undertake on this day of a new beginning than to help shape a just and peaceful world that is truly humane."
Later that evening, the President and First Lady attended their second Inaugural Ball.
For us the Saga of Camelot will continue.....
Scoop was no Wallace nor a Nixon. He was truly a great and good man. Besides he's Vice President.
Okay gang, I will start a new timeline....but this timeline story is FINE'.
Im not saying he was, Im just saying that in the right situation (say A republican president with faliures in Vietnam) he could eaisly take up the mantle of national security in a nixon like fashion, diffrence is he would belive it.
Oh I gotcha. 50% of me wants to do a sequel to this thread going forward. 50% of me wants to start on a European, before the Great War with Archduke Franz Ferdinand surviving and becoming Emperor. The gag is that I have him meeting and marrying Princess Victoria Melita of Saxe-Coburg Gotha, the grand daughter of both Queen Victoria of the UK & Czar Alexander II of Russia.
I love history. There's so many routes I can go. So many stories. I have considered restoring the Hashemites to the throne in a Constitutional Monarchy after Saddam Hussein fell. In the same vein, a monarchist-led coup succeeding (it actually happened) overthrowing the Ayatollah in 1982 in Iran. I have considered the UK with Sir Alec Douglas-Home as PM and going further or Labour winning the 1992 UK General Election. I have considered Nelson Rockefeller primarying Ford in 1976 or maybe John B. Connally, Jr. remaining a Democrat. Also considered running Connally v. Kennedy v. Anderson in 1980. Also considered a Dale Bumpers v. Ronald Reagan matchup in 1984. Maybe a Kathleen Blanco candidacy going forward in 1991, instead of dropping out and waiting like she did or Melinda Schwegmann forcing into the 1995 runoff in Louisiana in 1995. There are SO MANY ideas to go with. I even considered an eventual joining of Braniff with Pan Am in 1982 or Pan Am surviving past 1991. There's SO MANY ideas to roll with.
I chalked it up to two influences. The state was more Republican then. James P. Mitchell (R) garnered 49% in 1961 after Kennedy's election in the Governor's race. You also had Clifford Case in the U.S. Senate and Millicent Fenwick in the House. Also with Nelson Rockefeller on the ticket that would be a big influence.