A New American Dream

Thanks so much. Really. I hope my next TL is something good. Actually, I'm kind of thinking about starting the POD at the French and Indian War, and I have a pretty good idea of what I'm going to do (stronger British victory due to a lucky shot at Louis-Joseph de Montcalm, Martinique and Guadeloupe British possessions in a bid to weaken France, Louisiana remaining French, the US never expelling Indians, etc.) although any suggestions are welcome, and nothing is concrete. I read the TL's you posted, and I have some good ideas about my next TL, whatever it may be.
(I'm actually not a Republican, and I'm atheist. Sorry if i gave you the wrong impression.(and the TL was set to become a Japan-wank around the 1940's, because that's actually my favorite country.))

It's all right. Hehehehe. Sorry for being a little harsh.Let's see what happens then in your POD. It's not that I hate the Republicans. I'm just thinking as an outsider that your country's current brand of conservatism is destroying what liberals and moderates from FDR worked for since your country's rise to the world stage. Reagan and Goldwater would REALLY not like what your Republicans are doing right now. It's even turning more to the right while it's pulling the Democrats more to the center, since center-left parties everywhere tends to be more compromising than center-right parties. While I'm half-expecting the Republican Party to not remain long in the national stage this century, unless they able to pull in young and minority voters from Democrats, Your country is in a precarious position right now; and for me, your country is a far safer bet to be on top rather than US-China led multipolar world you know. Not an authoritarian China sharing your position please. And I'm near the god-damned country.

By the way, Is OTL's 1940's a Japan-wank already? How it will become a Japan-wank even more. Will it play the antagonist part? or as an US ally? I'll bet that it's more of the former.

I'll subscribe to this TL. Take your time in doing this please. Ok? See you!
 
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I wasn't actually planning for the US to be a neoconservative country in TTL, it just kinda happened. As for the Japan-wank, the ramifications of altered politics in the 20th century would have resulted in a lasting Japanese Empire fighting a guerrilla war in diplomatically unrecognized China, lording over Indochina (except a neutral Thailand), and allowing an autonomous Korean state (with Cheju Island an autonomous US military base). Indonesia would have been ceded to the US along with OTL Papua New Guinea, West Australia would have permanently joined with Britain, Malaysia and Singapore would be independent and play roughly the same role as OTL, US India would have collapsed (except Carnatica and an enclave in Bengal surrounding Calcutta), and France would have basically collapsed. The US would actually end up worse than today, with almost no two-term presidents, a per capita income of $15,000, an autonomous Mexico (de facto independent) running Texas and the southern midwest, and massive brain drain as US citizens flee north to the Republic of Ontario. Basically, the US would become an expansive but poor country, with Detroit as a slum-city and New York and Philadelphia recovering from a nuclear attack. Also, China ends up being a Japanese puppet in the east and a patchwork of warring, unrecognized states bounded by an independent Tibet and East Turkestan, so no worries. I want to try to revamp the TL from the ground up and create a more plausible one, and I'm gonna research the politics of the era to find a better POD. Thanks for your recommendations.

(Sorry the reply was late. My computer broke and i have about 30 mins of free time a day. Thank God for winter break!)
 
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I wasn't actually planning for the US to be a neoconservative country in TTL, it just kinda happened. As for the Japan-wank, the ramifications of altered politics in the 20th century would have resulted in a lasting Japanese Empire fighting a guerrilla war in diplomatically unrecognized China, lording over Indochina (except a neutral Thailand), and allowing an autonomous Korean state (with Cheju Island an autonomous US military base). Indonesia would have been ceded to the US along with OTL Papua New Guinea, West Australia would have permanently joined with Britain, Malaysia and Singapore would be independent and play roughly the same role as OTL, US India would have collapsed (except Carnatica and an enclave in Bengal surrounding Calcutta), and France would have basically collapsed. The US would actually end up worse than today, with almost no two-term presidents, a per capita income of $15,000, an autonomous Mexico (de facto independent) running Texas and the southern midwest, and massive brain drain as US citizens flee north to the Republic of Ontario. Basically, the US would become an expansive but poor country, with Detroit as a slum-city and New York and Philadelphia recovering from a nuclear attack. Also, China ends up being a Japanese puppet in the east and a patchwork of warring, unrecognized states bounded by an independent Tibet and East Turkestan, so no worries. I want to try to revamp the TL from the ground up and create a more plausible one, and I'm gonna research the politics of the era to find a better POD. Thanks for your recommendations.

(Sorry the reply was late. My computer broke and i have about 30 mins of free time a day. Thank God for winter break!)

Now I really don't know what you want to do. A dystopic Ameriwank?? Interesting to say the least but trust me, whatever you're going to do, it would still end up in the ASB section. So make your Ameriwank TL in the ASB group. And how did the United States go to India again?? The best way you can do that is yes, a Franco-American War where American Navy and Marines captured the French trading posts of Yanam, Karikal, Chandenagore and Pondicherry; then have a US trading company that is half-government owned do something there to put India into the US sphere.... And to have your Japanophilia... why not make Japan an American territory through a US-Japan War before the 20th century and have the Japanese influence American culture early on? If you just want an Ameriwank... then go start with the American Revolution and make the entire British America join, make the war last like that of the Dutch struggle for independence from Spain; make it last for decades until the Latinos joined up or the Indians or the Irish.... Make the 1776-1820s a mess... full of revolutions... An Age of Revolution with a final product of the United States becoming an intercontinental union at the core plus some territories.... Make the Americans found Singapore... and capture Hongkong... and open Shanghai... Make Ireland a US state... Go all out! Whahahahahaha! :D:D:D
 
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Well, I wasn't wanting the US to become the sole world power. I was thinking an Irish puppet state, but not full-on US rule, and Japan would have been impossible for the US to invade and subjugate (Actually, it still is. The US didn't invade the Home Islands because the casualties would be 1-2 million. An earlier invasion would only give the warring clans reason to unite against an invader, and probably produce a united Japan earlier than OTL.) Also, for the new one, I don't want US states in India. Maybe just an American (continent) country, with a few colonies in the Pacific and perhaps small enclaves in Africa (possibly a Spanish-American war seizing of Equatorial Guinea. Also, I don't want Belgium to be a country (deep-seated hatred of it). Maybe it gets occupied during a WWII analogue. I'm kinda wondering how a WWII would work out and who would fight it. US and Japan and Québec vs. the rest of the world is the scenario I like.
 
Well, I wasn't wanting the US to become the sole world power. I was thinking an Irish puppet state, but not full-on US rule, and Japan would have been impossible for the US to invade and subjugate (Actually, it still is. The US didn't invade the Home Islands because the casualties would be 1-2 million. An earlier invasion would only give the warring clans reason to unite against an invader, and probably produce a united Japan earlier than OTL.) Also, for the new one, I don't want US states in India. Maybe just an American (continent) country, with a few colonies in the Pacific and perhaps small enclaves in Africa (possibly a Spanish-American war seizing of Equatorial Guinea. Also, I don't want Belgium to be a country (deep-seated hatred of it). Maybe it gets occupied during a WWII analogue. I'm kinda wondering how a WWII would work out and who would fight it. US and Japan and Québec vs. the rest of the world is the scenario I like.

You're SUPER confusing me. :confused:Why would Japan be impossible to be invaded if it happened in OTL? And what united Japan earlier than OTL if it is already quite united since the Tokugawa era? Japan could become American without really conquering it. And why you have a hatred of Belgium? As much as you have a Japanophilia..., I suggest that you don't make a dystopic world just for the sake of that... And finally, you don't want US states in India. Thank God.

Man. I just suggest that you read more alternate American TL's around here in the forum you know. You're getting way off. And why would Japan, USA and an independent Quebec joined together in a single side in the war that you want? Arrgh. Man. You're really confusing me. :confused::confused:

I'm already confused. What are you trying to do? Ok, let' set it... What do you want to see by alternate 2000? American and Japanese superpowers presiding over an even more dystopic world than ours? What happened to the "American Dream"? Is this a bastardized form of that?

No wonder in your first attempt of a timeline, you have no support at all and just criticisms. You cannot just put things out of no where in timelines you want to make even you want a desired outcome. And in making that desired outcome, you have to plausibly make them happen. A strong Japan is possible, but it is at a risk of making Japanese imperialism around and you know how it look like. You want a Japan like that? Huh?

Ok I'm finishing this. This is my reaction.

:mad::confused::mad::confused::mad::confused::mad::confused:

CONFUSING and IRRITATING.
 
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I'm sorry. What I said were just possibilities, I didn't mean I needed them to happen. I'm not really sure what I want for my next TL and i'm just going through ideas. And I'm not thinking "Japan rules the world", I'm thinking "Japan occupying a space in the world equal to present-day Russia" (a de-imperialized power that retains its influence in some areas.) And Belgium.....they've done a lot of bad things (like the Congo atrocities) and I'm not a big fan. I don't have anything definite set for my next TL, and you're right. I shouldn't just set what I want for a TL and make it happen, I should plausibly build on my POD. Right now I'm going through the other TLs, so I hope i find something.
 
I'm sorry. What I said were just possibilities, I didn't mean I needed them to happen. I'm not really sure what I want for my next TL and i'm just going through ideas. And I'm not thinking "Japan rules the world", I'm thinking "Japan occupying a space in the world equal to present-day Russia" (a de-imperialized power that retains its influence in some areas.) And Belgium.....they've done a lot of bad things (like the Congo atrocities) and I'm not a big fan. I don't have anything definite set for my next TL, and you're right. I shouldn't just set what I want for a TL and make it happen, I should plausibly build on my POD. Right now I'm going through the other TLs, so I hope i find something.

Ok. That's good to hear. I kinda support the Big Japan Empire democratize thing. I want Japan get Manchuria, Korea, Mongolia and Siberia. But not really China Proper. Though the burden of armaments and defense spending would mean that this country would have a lower standard of living than OTL. It would be better to make Manchuria and Siberia vassal kingdoms as well as Korea and Mongolia in union with the Japanese Empire than outright super annexation.

In terms of Belgium, I don't know, just don't make them have a colony in Africa. Just give Congo Free State to the United States. Stanley is an American anyway.

Good luck. :)
 
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Ok, I see a good idea here. Japan (as a result of a TBD POD) stays at its WWII extent, but decides "we can't conquer all of China, let's just create a bunch of puppet kingdoms and rule the mineral-rich parts of it. And have puppet kings in Indochina. And rule Mongolia just like we've been ruling Korea." And regarding the Congo Free State, the US could really use the minerals there. Perhaps it could be a settler colony like South Africa. Any ideas on the POD would really be appreciated. Thanks!
 
You know what I'm thinking.... ?

From my viewpoint... It's not that impossible to do an "America on Steroids Takes Over the World" scenario... Considering how OTL's America managed to create an empire right now... Yes... There's an American Empire... unique in historical standards that it could be denied by contemporary people that it exists... I see it not an impossibility to have the United States of America create at least an EU like United States system throughout the world with an intercontinental federal core and peripheral confederation.... though it would mean borrowing the POD of USAO timeline, with a fire on Governor Carleton's house in Quebec, at least in late 1773, for a different Quebec Act that would alienate Quebecois and Nova Scotians from the British and made them join the Patriots in the Revolutionary War. Then gave the Americans a foundational experience with French Canadians and Iroquois Indians through Joseph Brandt having a prophetic dream that would make him compel the Confederacy to join the Patriot side. Then "the butterflies".... Hehehehe... :D:D

I'll make one for myself... Ok... I've decided hehehe...
 
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Hahahaha. Yeah. And I like that idea- a Schengen-area type confederation where the US dominates (kinda like the US is both France and Germany in OTL). I see where you're going.
 
Well, it's in my signature right now. I've already started from 1774 to 1776 right now. And go through the Revolutionary War. Then just find a way for Napoleon to became an American. Hehehe. :D
 
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Wow! It's pretty good (a bit borrowed, but well written). When I find the time, I'll start writing my own. Until then, it's researching possible POD's (I really don't want to use the governor Carleton POD, it's kinda overused) for the new TL.
 
Wow! It's pretty good (a bit borrowed, but well written). When I find the time, I'll start writing my own. Until then, it's researching possible POD's (I really don't want to use the governor Carleton POD, it's kinda overused) for the new TL.

Overused by me.:D:D The only TL that I know where Carleton is a Patriot is in Big Tex's Ameriwank and the POD there is not Carleton. It's Washington visited by "The Stranger" from the future.
 
Sorry for being harsh on you my friend. Let's say that it's kinda an initiation for your better writing of alternate historical events. :eek:

I'd even wrote here that those who hated Ameriwanks are "losers". Whahahaha. Probably? For a bit? Depends. But I'm on the opinion though that OTL is "Ameri-wanked" enough. I believe that for a bit. :eek:

Anyway, I'm already proceeding with the largest Ameriwank possible project that I have which you can read by clicking on my sig. And when I said before that American states in India are impossible?? Now, I'm seeing a little light in making them a possibility BUT NOT RIGHT AWAY, as what you've done here. Hahaha. :D

Well, good luck to you then. :)
 
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Bumping this thread for the purposes of apologizing in giving the impression to those who happened to read this ASB thread and saying that those who don't like Ameriwanks are "losers". I wrote that in haste and on bad judgement months ago when I'm still new on this forum and when I'm less mature in making and judging TL's.

It's not even on "depends", "for a bit", or "probably" anymore as I've wrote again months before in compensating for saying the loser words. It's just that I now totally respect ideas of people even more now by lurking more in this forum and reading more threads.

I loved Ameriwanks for the fun of it. :D But then..... people change. I still love them for a bit but not on the more fanatic side of it anymore especially now on respecting more the ideas of people who don't like it or just don't like the idea of wanks of any country and I now respect their opinions about why they don't like it, simple nation wank or specific Ameriwank. Their ideas are now balancing the earlier fanaticism. I believe it's a good thing. :)

I'm embarrassed on reading what I've wrote before on that thing... and even more by the fact that I can't edit it anymore. :eek:

So again, I apologize. :eek::(

Wow! It's pretty good (a bit borrowed, but well written). When I find the time, I'll start writing my own. Until then, it's researching possible POD's (I really don't want to use the governor Carleton POD, it's kinda overused) for the new TL.

Speaking of this thread, I'm now curious... Empirebuilder. When will be the start of a better American Dream timeline?? In a way, you can still redeem yourself from making this thread that... I hate to say is very,very ASB.

And again, sorry for being quite harsh on you and even going as far as making things political and "hating Republicans". Again, Being less mature months ago... but then people change. And I've definitely changed.

I don't hate Republicans. I don't hate conservatives. And sorry for giving that impression.

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CALBEAR or OTHER MODERATORS: I'm sure I didn't do a really bad thread necromancy right? In any case, this is my defense.

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Creating a new thread on the subject is fine, but be aware that if you don't want to go over the same points that have been hashed over before, bumping a thread is fine. Bumping an old thread with a good content-filled post is perfectly okay.
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