A more successful early Roman Empire

I simple map I created very basically in Paint (Graphics are not my forte,I will admit) to try and show the theoretical Roman Empire. Red is the Empire proper, while the lighter shades are either temporary holdings (Mesopotamia, Armenia, Upper Caledonia) or vassals and protectorates (Germania beyond the Elbe, the Bosporus and Arabia to a certain extent). If someone could adapt this map using better skills and a better program and I would be very grateful. Enjoy.


ExpandedRomanEmpireCirca95AD.gif


As you can see, permanent additions include Hibernia (a relic of Agricola's expedition), and a permanent northerly border with the Antonine Wall (in this TL, it may be called something else. But the location remains the same). Caledonia remains Pictish (no Scots from Ireland, due to a Roman Hibernia), and so the Caledonian border is less of an issue than in OTL.

The main point is the successful integration of Germania up to the Albis. I'm not sure on whether to Rome annex Germania up to the Viadrus. It appears relatively poor, but I'm sure that Rome will take it eventually in response to the usual Barbarian raids. If it does Jutland will either have some simple limes erected or it will be fully annexed. Dacia will also be annexed but the main difference here is that the Sarmatian Iazyges are defeated and Romanized, with the entirety of the Pannonian plain conquered. The Carpathians and Tyras (Dniester) rivers are established as the border, with extensive limes created.

A stronger Roman Empire (imagine the era of the 5 Good Emperors, from Nerva to Marcus Aurelius) is able hold significantly more sway over Armenia, and a series of campaigns break a weakened Parthia's back. Although full annexation of Parthia is somewhat impractical, over the years Rome either occupies Mesopotamia for long periods of time or fully annexs it. However, with the resurgence of Sassanid Persia, Rome's holdings are most likely retaken for Persia.

That's about it, some minor holdings in Arabia and possibly some protectorates or full conquest of Meroe, Axum and Arabia Felix to follow (although these campaigns are relatively low priority).
 
Last edited:
I simple map I created very basically in Paint (Graphics are not my forte,I will admit) to try and show the theoretical Roman Empire. Red is the Empire proper, while the lighter shades are either temporary holdings (Mesopotamia, Armenia, Upper Caledonia) or vassals and protectorates (Germania beyond the Elbe, the Bosporus and Arabia to a certain extent). If someone could adapt this map using better skills and a better program and I would be very grateful. Enjoy.


ExpandedRomanEmpireCirca95AD.gif


As you can see, permanent additions include Hibernia (a relic of Agricola's expedition), and a permanent northerly border with the Antonine Wall (in this TL, it may be called something else. But the location remains the same). Caledonia remains Pictish (no Scots from Ireland, due to a Roman Hibernia), and so the Caledonian border is less of an issue than in OTL.

The main point is the successful integration of Germania up to the Albis. I'm not sure on whether to Rome annex Germania up to the Viadrus. It appears relatively poor, but I'm sure that Rome will take it eventually in response to the usual Barbarian raids. If it does Jutland will either have some simple limes erected or it will be fully annexed. Dacia will also be annexed but the main difference here is that the Sarmatian Iazyges are defeated and Romanized, with the entirety of the Pannonian plain conquered. The Carpathians and Tyras (Dniester) rivers are established as the border, with extensive limes created.

A stronger Roman Empire (imagine the era of the 5 Good Emperors, from Nerva to Marcus Aurelius) is able hold significantly more sway over Armenia, and a series of campaigns break a weakened Parthia's back. Although full annexation of Parthia is somewhat impractical, over the years Rome either occupies Mesopotamia for long periods of time or fully annexs it. However, with the resurgence of Sassanid Persia, Rome's holdings are most likely retaken for Persia.

That's about it, some minor holdings in Arabia and possibly some protectorates or full conquest of Meroe, Axum and Arabia Felix to follow (although these campaigns are relatively low priority).

I like it -and as for Jutland, it would probably make more sense for the Roman Empire to build a wall (or limes) across the mouth of the Jutland peninsula, not unlike the OTL Hadrian's Wall in northern England (or is it the lowlands of Scotland?). It would be more defensible than trying to defend the peninsula itself.
 
Parthia/Persia/Iran couldn't have been conquered or even made a client state. As one large nation, rather than a collection of tribes, Persia is a far more formidable enemy than the Gauls or even Germans. Even though Rome may be able to contact hill tribes to fight guerrilla wars against Persia, these are small and unreliable. The Romans could have a MODERATELY defensible frontier in Mesopotamia. Although it is a smaller frontier, the Romans were pushed out of Mesopotamia IOTL. I do believe that it is possible to take Germania like Gaul. It would be a bit tougher than Gaul, and it might not be able to all be taken in one campaign, but it is possible. A Romanized German elite is very possible, and manpower is improved, allowing the frontier with Persia to be well garrisoned. But the Sarmatian frontier will probably sap some Roman strength unless shrewd tribal diplomacy is used. The Huns will push somewhat into Rome, but make less headway. The most likely thing to destroy the Empire will be complacency, the development of powerful warlord-governors and a particularly bad series of emperors (like 300 years of Nero).
 
Also, later on Viking piracy will become an issue that may draw a foolish Emperor into invading Scandinavia and freezing half the Army. Even if Islam still occurs in some incarnation (impossible if Christianity is butterflied away, it will likely be a temporary issue (like Zenobia's revolt). Zoroastrianism will likely stay the religion of Persia to this day.
 
Bumping this thread, there is still more to be discussed.

How far do you think the Romans could have taken on the west African coast? Could they have taken all the way down to Mali?
 
I noticed that the original map is gone bc the site hosting it went down. I remember seeing it some time before, so I decided to recreate the map as well as I could. Apologies for the necro, I just really wanted to restore the original OP's map somehow.

A more successful early Roman Empire map recreation.png
 
Top