A more populated and stronger tibet

Is it possible for Tibet to be a strong independent country and also have a high population density,strong as in something that china cannot take over, the POD is 11th century AD, bonus points if it expands or becomes a world power like Japan.
 
Bhutan, Assam, Burma and Sikkim (Nations in the Tibetan Cultural Area) could become world powers, Bhutan has a high chance if you remove the British.
 
Is it possible for Tibet to be a strong independent country and also have a high population density,strong as in something that china cannot take over, the POD is 11th century AD, bonus points if it expands or becomes a world power like Japan.

The western half of modern Szechuan used to be part of Tibet, as was Arunachal Pradesh. Just having Qinghai would quadruple the population of modern Tibet.
 
Bhutan, Assam, Burma and Sikkim (Nations in the Tibetan Cultural Area) could become world powers, Bhutan has a high chance if you remove the British.

Of those, I can only see Burma becoming anything resembling a "world power", though I think the POD for Burma needs to go way before the British took over there. The rest aren't populous enough NOW.

Though I don't think Burma is in the Tibetan cultural area, someone feel free to correct me.

EDIT: Actually, Assam has more people than I thought, so they might be a slim possibility, but they're really overshadowed by other states in the area. Though I guess the same works for Burma in that regard.
 
Short answer: No.

Long answer: How do I put this mildly... Tibetan land is not very suitable for growing crops beyond some wheat. It is mostly stuck in steppe, highlands and the Himalayan mountains. Tibet could perhaps foster a warrior class (or caste) if you went back far enough that could conquer China or India, or perhaps with the help of outside powers Tibet could become independent; but it really can't do much more than the population it has iotl and will rely on food stuffs being imported to the region after a few million.

Bhutan isn't much better and is very hard to get to from Tibet (much easier to go through India). Ditto Sikkim. Assam or Burma might be able to become world powers if their region wasn't so ethnically balkanized (aggressive warriors in the northern steppe, rice-growing agriculturalists in the south) as it's pretty well insulated with perfect borders (great fertile region slapped between mountains and high hills). I plan on exploring that in a TL in the future. But you have to go far back.
 
Short answer: No.

Long answer: How do I put this mildly... Tibetan land is not very suitable for growing crops beyond some wheat. It is mostly stuck in steppe, highlands and the Himalayan mountains. Tibet could perhaps foster a warrior class (or caste) if you went back far enough that could conquer China or India, or perhaps with the help of outside powers Tibet could become independent; but it really can't do much more than the population it has iotl and will rely on food stuffs being imported to the region after a few million.

Bhutan isn't much better and is very hard to get to from Tibet (much easier to go through India). Ditto Sikkim. Assam or Burma might be able to become world powers if their region wasn't so ethnically balkanized (aggressive warriors in the northern steppe, rice-growing agriculturalists in the south) as it's pretty well insulated with perfect borders (great fertile region slapped between mountains and high hills). I plan on exploring that in a TL in the future. But you have to go far back.

I think Sikkim and Bhutan could had united with Tibet, had Tibet had a more irredentist ruler.
 
Irredentist? If you mean expansionist I suppose it's possible, but the reason why both groups migrated to Sikkim/Bhutan is it's very hard to get to them from Tibet/China.
 
Are we forgetting this? For a long time Tibet was an Asian super power that even managed to keep China in check.

Avoid the late 9th century civil war and the empire might have struggled on until the Mongols show up (assuming butterflies don't prevent the rise of the Mongol Empire or an relatively equal analogue), and you likely wouldn't see Tibet folded into Yuan China. Even a weak Tibet that isn't fractured as it was IOTL might become its own Mongol successor state, with butterflied abound.
 
Are we forgetting this? For a long time Tibet was an Asian super power that even managed to keep China in check.

Avoid the late 9th century civil war and the empire might have struggled on until the Mongols show up (assuming butterflies don't prevent the rise of the Mongol Empire or an relatively equal analogue), and you likely wouldn't see Tibet folded into Yuan China. Even a weak Tibet that isn't fractured as it was IOTL might become its own Mongol successor state, with butterflied abound.

I for one am well aware of it. In fact, when looking at it I saw it controlled Burma, which could be why another poster considered it part of the Tibetan culture sphere.

But I was also under the assumption, perhaps incorrect, that that power isn't something that is sustainable over the long term.
 
I for one am well aware of it. In fact, when looking at it I saw it controlled Burma, which could be why another poster considered it part of the Tibetan culture sphere.

But I was also under the assumption, perhaps incorrect, that that power isn't something that is sustainable over the long term.

It was my understanding that the Tibetans were on the way to recovery when the Mongols arrived.
 
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