A More Perfect Union: An Alternate History of the Land of the Free

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by HeX, May 22, 2019.

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  1. JustinianTheGrand Not So Well Known Member

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    It was never clarified.
     
  2. HeX Self-Proclaimed Disney Expert

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    The Falconers weren't strictly atheist, but they had no fondness for religion.
     
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  3. Jacob2003 Football Loving Liberal

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    This is a great timeline. Keep up the good work @HeX
     
  4. Jacob2003 Football Loving Liberal

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    BTW, what impact will the earlier rise of industrial centers outside of the Midwest and Northeast have on the population distribution of the US? Are we going to see an earlier large scale migration to the Sunbelt, or will we see something completely different?
     
  5. JustinianTheGrand Not So Well Known Member

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    Also who were the other Falcons?
     
  6. President Eternal Liberal American

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    There was a post about their leadership somewhere.
     
  7. Goldwind2 Well-Known Member

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    Eugene Debs, Samueal Gommpers, Upton Sinclair Robert Lafounta are the 4 I remamber. The fifth falcon was a female.
     
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  8. MrVulcan Autistic Worldbuilder

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    Ida Tarbell. And they got Charles E. Ruthenberg to replace Gompers when he left.
     
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  9. XFE Formerly Xianfeng Emperor

    That was an absolutely beautiful chapter. Bravo, @HeX
     
  10. The Congressman Well-Known Member

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    I think the Qing is screwed (surrounded by enemies), but that the Entente is otherwise not favored
     
  11. HeX Self-Proclaimed Disney Expert

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    While the Qing are technically surrounded, you also have to keep in mind who they're surrounded by. Russia past the Urals is pretty much empty and the British Raj will find a hard time motivating Indians to fight for the crown that's keeping them down (though don't expect an Indian Revolt in the Grand War--the failed rebellion of the 1890s is still fresh in their minds). I feel that it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see a contingency of Vietnamese troops fighting for France against the Qing, though, and don't forget about Japan, who's much more swole ITTL than OTL.
     
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    I would agree. The Qing should not have a problem with any of their enemies except the Japanese, in which I expect a stalemate between the two powers.
     
  13. The Congressman Well-Known Member

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    The British could probably send Sepoys into Indochina or even Korea, plus the ANZACs. The Royal Navy plus the Japanese and Russians likely have naval superiority so coastal cities are gonna get shelled. The US is weakened from the Falconer Rebellion and likely will have their hands full in Canada and Mexico. The Chinese don't need to be invaded and lose significant territory to be defeated. Just battered down enough for their economy to collapse
     
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    Good and valid points, but the Qing don't at least have potentially rebellious areas to control, while the other powers do.
     
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    Problem is none of the Alliance powers have any power projection capabilities into Asia. Not after the Falconer rebellions
     
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  16. HeX Self-Proclaimed Disney Expert

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    That's true, but I think you're underestimating the power of China. ITTL, this is not the weak, falling-apart-at-the-seams mess that China was in the 1910s IOTL. It's fully industrialized (and has been for decades) and has millions of young men to throw at whatever the Entente can muster, and they've got an eager ally in Korea to help, too. Yes, the Qing will fail on the naval front--that was a given, at this point. But is it certain that they'll lose in this war? Not at all.
     
  17. JustinianTheGrand Not So Well Known Member

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    China gonna wreck shop. No more opium streaming in, and no more treaty ports.
     
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    It's going to be a lot like the Crimean War to be honest. China can't really hit their opponents at home but their opponents can't bring all that much against them, except possibly Japan. The Russian Far East and the White Dominions don't have a big population, India doesn't have the industry to fully use their numbers, not to mention not exactly jumping at the opportunity to die for Britain, and French Indochina is to new to really get rolling, though no shortage of Vietnamese who would take a chunk out of China. What they do have is an abundance of resources, especially when Dutch Indonesia is added, and complete control of the coasts so they can constantly resupply and reinforce so I expect a lot of long drawn out sieges of the coastal cities and ports and trench warfare on the Sino-Vietnam and Sino-Russia borders.
     
  19. MrVulcan Autistic Worldbuilder

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    You have, and I can't wait to see what they look like!
     
  20. HonestAbe1809 Abraham Lincoln 2020

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    The Unequal Treaties were done away with about twenty years ago in this timeline.

    China can't do much offensively, especially in naval battles, but they can hunker down and rely on their solid defense and bleed their opponents dry. At least until America can provide military aid in Asia.
     
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