A Looser Union

World in a New Age: Section V

South America

This great continent is one of the quiet battlegrounds of the Silent War. The cities are thick with intrigue, with revolutionaries plotting, policemen investigating and assassins plying their lethal trade. Crime thrives in an environment such as this.

New Granada

The United Kingdoms is an odd feudal arrangement, but that is a relic of the early 20th century when the French Empire yanked free several states from Iberian America and created vassals. Their failure in creating separate national identities was matched only by their success in creating a new united identity, forged in the fires of resistance to French rule. Ironically, the High King of New Granada is himself a Bonaparte, and the Lower Kings of the United Kingdom are either Bourbons or descended from French military commanders. They are by now thoroughly integrated, and nobody really thinks of King Joseph Bonaparte as French.

The state is not a democracy. It models itself after a combination of the old Iberian state and the French Empire. In other words, strong monarchs, a meritocratic aristocracy, and a weak overall government with most power delegated to the locals, and a uniting bureaucracy. Institutional racism from the days of the Iberian Union has been thoroughly stamped out and the new government is rather liberal in that respect.

The economy is strong, and a focus on resource extraction has given way to a local manufacturing base of their own. A curious relationship exists with the British Salutariat who have developed an understanding with them when it comes to trade. A large merchant marine also exists, and Granadine ships can be found as far afield as Ogwa, or Aotorie. The canal in Panama certainly is a great asset. The less said about how much the French were to thank for that the better.

The interior is dominated by the Marcher Lords, an odd arrangement of industrial combines, ennobled tribal lords, and military men. As the interior becomes ever more densely populated, there is talk of raising up a suitable commander to be King. But fears of upsetting the careful balance of the interests of the Lower Kings has prevented that from happening any time soon.

Guyana, and the Falklands

Whilst a key part of the British Caribbean Control, economically and ethnically it is very separate from it. Most of the islands of the British Caribbean are populated by the descendants of Africans, or from people of Northern European descent. In Guyana, while there a great deal of Africans and many Northern Europeans, there are also many people from Iberian descent, and many more people from India. There are many people from India in Florida, but Guyana is less of a melting pot and more of Sunday Roast. Everything is there on the plate and get along splendidly but they don't mix as much. There is a large and thriving New British minority, but nowhere else in the Salutariat with so many different groups will you find so few mixed people.

The economy is a thriving one, connected to the markets of its South American neighbours as well as Africa and the Caribbean. It is largely based on farming though mining plays a prominent role as well. The docks are also home to a great number of British naval squadrons.

The Falklands on the other hands are far more homogenous. They are almost entirely populated by white Britons, though with a not inconsiderable minority of Doradans and Patagonians. The economy is dominated by the oil rigs in the surrounding sea, alongside a thriving wool industry. The growth of some mills on the islands have fuelled economic growth in neighbouring Patagonia as well.

Surinam

Unlike other Belgic Kingdoms, Surinam is mostly Iberian in character. Dutch speakers cling to the coast, while most of the population consists of former Iberians and Brasilians. The economy of Surinam is weak when compared to many of the other Kingdoms and this is likely to have been caused by a failure to diversify the economy and a reliance of resource extraction. Corruption is rife in Surinam, where taxes are very low and corporations hold a great deal of power. Arguably, Surinam is close in character socially and politically to a Boulangist state. Economically however, while corporations hold a great deal of power, its hardly on the scale of France. And the most economically vigorous part of Surinam are the Belgic Antilles, whos industries are state subsidised.

Brasil

In the early 20th century, few would have believed you if you had told them that the Brasilian states would reunite, industrialise and bring back indentured labour. Yet that is precisely what they have done. In reaction to Doradan expansionism, the fractious Brasilian state reunited as a weak Confederacy, and it wasn't long before they slipped into Boulangism. With a government modelling themselves after France, and a growing corporate and industrial sector, there was a big labour shortage. And socially, Brasil was modelling itself after the United States. Justifying the change in Promethean terms, they began annexing the homeless and the poor into an army of mundanes, or de facto slave labour.

Today, Brasil is a reasonably important power in South America. Their extrem decentralisation and reliance on an extremely cheap workforce has made them economically powerful but a political lightweight. They rely on the United States to speak to the world on their behalf, but what passes for a government there is just happy that they get American atomic reactors out of the deal. The issue of the mundanes is not a problem within Boulangist states, but outside of that sphere, they receive a great deal of condemnation, and Brasil has a hard time trading with others in South America.

There is a streak of militarism and irrendentism in Brasilian culture stemming from the annexation of regions of Brasil either by the Dutch or Dorada. Fortunately, the decentralised nature of the Confederacy means that the military may not necessarily comply with the central government. War does not come naturally to the Brasilian system, and most security forces are employed in monitoring the mundanes or finding new ones on the streets or prisons.

Peru

The only Hispanic part of Iberian America to be taken into the Doradan sphere, the Peruvians defined their national identity in opposition to Dorada rather than France. They are not a democracy, and are a close ally of New Granada. On the other hand, they are no pseudo-feudal monarchy. They are a republic, and technically all are equal. But some are more equal than others. A clique of military men and former revolutionaries hold the reins of power and control the Republic. It is in this sense that they are Opprimerean, as they utilise strong man tactics and brute force to squash opposition whilst caving in to populist tendencies in economic and cultural spheres.

The economy is based on resource extraction but a domestic manufacturing sector is emerging, and they have a lot of trade with Aotorie, New Granada and are extending their growing corporate combines into Bolivia.

Peru's culture is defined by the resistance against the Doradan occupation, and their conquest by them. Militarism is glorified, Salutism and Boulangism detested. They are by far the most dogmatic of the Western Opprimerean and in that way they are most similar to the German form. However, occupation by a republican state meant that their culture became steeped in republican structures and ideas. When they ultimately gained independence, it was a republic not a kingdom like their Granadine neighbours.

Bolivia

Bolivia was the most underdeveloped region of Dorada before they gained independence, and it was in this deprived climate that their unique form of Salutism was developed. A peculiar form of agrarian Salutism emerged, combined with old Incan ideas and informed by a fortress mentality of being surrounded by hostile powers, Bolivia became reliant on Britain for support. However, since 1969, and the concentration of British resources in the Indian Ocean, North Atlantic and Caribbean, the funds to Bolivia have trickled away and her progressive social programmes have begun to disintegrate. As riots break out and the collective farm's yields drop, their regional enemies begin to look on hungrily.

The economy of Bolivia remains deliberately agrarian, though with pushing from London a domestic metals industry emerged. But now with no export market, the domestic situation is collapsing and their economy is becoming reliant on Peru for support. There is talk of a counter-revolution or coup to remove the dogmatic Workers' Union men from head office and establish a new government which will be able to take advantage of Peruvian support. However, popular support for the Workers' Union remains high.

Dorada

What was once the greatest power in the Americas, in only now recovering. Having lost Peru, and much of the Lusitanic interior, as well as Bolivia, and swathes of land to Patagonia, energies were redirected from an outwards facing vigorous foreign policy centred around domination of Latin America, to a more introverted perspective that is now centred around the new provinces in Africa. With a third of Doradan provinces in Africa, the balance of power in Doradan domestic politics is shifting.

Dorada is ostensibly a Hispanic republic, but since its foundation it has encountered waves of immigration from Europe and around the world, and a slow but steady integration of different groups. Native Americans were integrated only with great difficulty, culminating with the foundation of New France to the south. Again, Lusitanics from the conquests in then disintegrating Brasil proved difficult. But the integration of Africans into Doradan society has proved far easier, and people from the African provinces are now producing much of Dorada's wealth and global standing.

The culture of Dorada is informed by this. The base of old revolutionary spirit in the Hispanic colonies remains, but is now mixed with ideas of Brasilian confederate government, and with dynamic racial equality. In this way, Dorada is a mirror image of New Granada, a more racially homogenous and divided society, though politically they are more united.

The economy of Dorada is energetic and growing, with an increasing focus on Patagonia as the civil war between Francophones and Welsh-speakers gets worse. The African sphere is also vital to Doradan interests, with economic deals brokered with the East African Community, the Belgics and the French. On a more global scale, the Americans are Dorada's key ally, and it is with the atomic energy that the Americans can provide that Dorada hopes to storm into this new decade.

Patagonia

Patagonia was once a Principality within the French Empire, but come the revolution the more traditionally minded Francophones of Patagonia gained independence. When Dorada waned in power, the multiethnic state of Frenchmen and Araucanians liberated the Welsh-speakers of the north. But since that time, Patagonia and especially the Welsh regions became home to Britons uncomfortable under Salutism but equally disgusted by Borealia. For a time, this was stable. But at the moment, Patagonia is suffering a civil war as the Welsh minority grows ever larger and the Francophones stir uneasily at the size of the Welsh-speaking community. Much of this community is descended from English-speakers, but a Welsh education system enforced instruction in the Welsh language.

The division of the country is on roughly north-south lines with the Francophones in the south and the Welsh-speakers in the north. The Francophones tend to fishermen, sea traders and miners whilst the Welsh are more disposed towards the Pampas and farming. The Araucanian community forms a bedrock for both groups. Dorada is growing ever more assertive as their economy continues to thrive. They are supporting the Francophone rebellion, calling the Welsh a fifth column for radical Salutism or even possibly a southern front for Borealian dictatorship.

Before 1969, Patagonia would have been counted as a moderate Salutist state, within the British sphere of influence. Arguably the deterioration of civility within the state owes a lot to the withdrawl of British aid to the Republic. As British Salutism becomes more nationalist, Spartan and utopian so the power of the Patagonian government begins to dissolve.
 
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A Short Diversion

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Bart's eyes slowly cracked open, a headache blossoming behind his eyes. He groaned.

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Flailing in the dark, he searched for his glasses or for the light switch. The noise of the alarm grated inside his head.

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Finally he found his glasses, and pulled them onto his nose. Now he could see, he deactivated the alarm. Slowly he pushed himself up onto his pillow. Fumbling at the wall, he flicked the lightswitch. A bar of blue fluoresced on the ceiling.

The room was small, but it was functional. He pulled on his smock, and his wide trousers. They were made of rough linen, but they were warm and with a scarf around his neck and middle he would be well protected against the cold.

Crossing from his bed, he entered his bathroom. It was also small, but he had everything he needed. He poured a small amount of liniment into his hands and rubbed it into his shaven face. He then pulled the tap which emptied his morning water ration into the basin. He scrubbed face, hands, neck and under his pits.

Dabbing away the wetness, he turned his attention to his hair. It was dirty blonde and hung down to his shoulders. Fumbling under the basin, he pulled out two jars. Hairfat and hairtar. Everything he needed to give his head form and function. With a comb he worked first the fat and then the tar into his hair. He scraped his fatted hair back from scalp and twisted the length into a pig tail. His hair was now dark brown, and glistened wetly.

His glasses slipped off his nose, but it mattered not. He put them back next to the alarm, and instead pulled on his goggles. He then smeared patented skin protector on every inch of uncovered skin, until he was certain that it was all thoroughly infused. Finally, he placed a wide brimmed hat on head, and wrapped one scarf around his neck and another round his middle. Pausing only to push his various work items into a bag and sling it onto his back, he made his way to work.

Bart remembered less frugal times. He remembed when his smocks had been silky and colourful, when he lived in more than one room, when he could afford more expensive hairfat, when he didn't have to cover every inch of his skin. Even the air had been more warm and welcoming in those days. For ten years, it had snowed well into February. Not in 1969. Not then.

Snow clung to his shoulders as he shuffled through the crowds to the factory. He was an engineer working on a government project. As the bright young things of Silicon Valley entered the world of commerce and government so the world was changing. Ever since the early 70s, Britain had been plagued by overpopulation problems, hardly helped by a sudden rise in the birthrate. The new government promised that the pressures of austerity and claustrophobia would soon be lifted.

The filth of humanity and the snow was thick in the roads, and Bart watched on as the shovellors came out to heap it into piles for transportation to the incinerators. Nothing could be wasted.

As he entered the factory, he looked at the men milling around him. He was unusual in a crowd. Most Britons had black hair. His paler complexion, though still dark by European standards, was considered stranger. Hairtar was worn by most men, but he put particular stock in its use.

Two projects were on his desk when he came to it. He glanced at them, before hanging up his hat and neckscarf, before hooking various tools of the trade into waistscarf. The first project was for a new radiation cleaner, set for review of schematics before it was to be tested in the Neutral Zone. If anything were to go wrong with it, better it happen in that hellhole where any explosion might make the place nicer. The second was only a preliminary brief. The government wanted to make space transportation easier. Their new microwave energy transmitters looked to make nuclear power ever more viable, but only if the costs of space transportation were dramatically reduced.

He wrote a report suggesting that an elevator of some kind might be what they're looking for. However, his hopes were few. The strength of such a structure would have to be phenomenal, and as far as he knew the materials needed had not yet been devised. But the lot in charge at the moment were starry eyed and might even give him a raise for regurgitating this science fiction nonsense. He then moved onto the radiation cleaner, and ironed out a few kinks in the design before heading up to the managers' office to hand in his work.

The manager gave it only a cursory once over before dismissing him, and handing him a schematic of one of the new orbital reactors. Bart was just trotting off back to his cubicle when something hit him on the back of his head and the world went black...

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Bart woke up tied to a chair. He had been stripped to his waist, and his pigtail had come loose. Blood and sweat had mixed into the fat and tar in his hair, and the fetid mixture was trickling down his nose. A single light, an old style bulb hung from the ceiling. A man emerged from the shadows. He wore all black, and it appeared to be some form of vestments. The man's skin was stained with blue pigment, and his eyes were yellowed.

'You are the engineer, who knows how the atomic satellite works?'
Bart was terrified, but he just managed to murmur that he agreed.
'Good, good. Truly, the lord brought you to us. With your help, damnation will strike the cities of wretched man, and a new age will begin as we enlighten and reforge mankind in our lord's holy image!'
With that, he took a syringe and plunged it into Bart's forearm.
'Tell me everything, Bartholomew. But then, you have no choice...'
 
World in a New Age: Section VI

Africa

Africa is another prime front for the Long War. As the Great Powers end the old colonial era and enter a new phase, as transcontinental nations, so Africa's position in the world is redefined. New nations are emerging, some strong, some weak.

French West Africa and French Central Africa

French West Africa may sound colonial but by 1979, it is the de facto core of the Republic. Thanks to government being relaxed under the Boulangist, the Sahara has been heavily industrialised and the vastness of West Africa has become a melting pot of Frenchmen, Africans, Arabs and Asians. While the Elysee remains the de jure capital of the Republic, the corporations are the real power in the French Republic and their centres of operation are here. From this core, the Republic has grown to dominate the African continent, through their subsidiaries. French Central Africa on the other hand, while also a key part of the Republic is far more stratified than the energetic hub of one of the world's superpowers. The Iberian colonial class found a niche for itself in administering resource extraction operations, and the system here appears remarkably colonial in comparison. Most of the excesses of Iberian racialism have been excised thanks to the cosmopolitan nature of the former empire, but under the Republic a blind eye is turned to many of the former colonist's practices.

On a cultural level, French West Africa has a vast variety of cultures. From the Gallicised Arabs of the North, through to the Corporate Zones of the interior, and the Tuareg strongmen, we go to the sweltering metropolises of the South, where the stony palaces of the obscenely wealthy sit far apart from the slums and sprawling tenament blocks of the poor. The interior is being colonised, as new breeds of hardy plants are developed and the global temperature cools, the desert is slowly turned into vast fields. Several corporations are planning on a geo-engineering project which will turn French West Africa into the breadbasket of the world and put them on the top of the global food chain.

Morocco

Morocco is deep in the pockets of the French, key ports under their control and their whole land border being dominated by the Boulangists. A form of moderate Boulangism has been adopted by the Moroccans, and their cities are among the loudest in the world, as French corporations invest in the traditional industries of the Kingdom. Tourism is a big industry here, though some complain that the culture being peddled to the wide-eyed French holiday makers is a falsified and cleaned up package, dressed up to appeal to their love of the exotic. Culturally, little has changed in Morocco since the revolution, though French has become ever more ubiquitous as a language of business, and Islam has been quietly hushed up as the atheist French find too much religiosity distinctly uncomfortable.

Tunis

Italy's sole colony, Tunis is a place where you can literally find anything, for the right price. Gang warfare is rife on Tunis' streets, though the heady days of the Dons are long over. Aristocrats now rule over the former crime families, and their activities are generally permissible in Italy's version of Boulangism where crime simply becomes another aspect of the free market. Like Habana, corruption is a daily problem for most people, but when everyone has a gun there is only so much the authorities can do to bleed the consumer dry. Tunis is directly integrated into Italy, and the culture is emblematic of that. A curious fusion of Arab dialects and Sicilian speech has combined to form a creole which can be daily heard on Tunis' winding sandy streets.

The legitimate economy is based on local industry and trade, via Italian control of the Central Mediterranean. With that, Italy and hence Tunis are deeply involved in the economies of other states in the French sphere in the Mediterranean Sea in particular Morocco and Greece. Some of their trade combines reach as far as Soudan and Abyssinia.

Tripolitania and Cyrenica

These former German colonies retain many aspects of Germanification from their period under German rule. And indeed many Germans have called the warm and picturesque coasts of Tripolitania and Cyrenica home. The older generations have integrated well into the broader Arab-Berber population. The economy is largely based around extraction of oil, its processing into various commodities, and tourism. Islam is the largest religion, though there is a sizeable Christian minority, largely Coptic though of course the the Germans brought their religion with them. Many Copts from Egypt fled into the German colonies after the British Revolution. Cyrenica appears to be slipping out of the direct German sphere and into the Assyrian one, though some are predicting that the North African kingdoms may eventually form their own bloc in opposition to domination from the Levant.

Egypt

The newest addition to OstBlock, Egypt has reinaugurated their Khedive, and have happily snuggled up to Assyria. With little oil, Egypt's revenues are reliant on the fertile bounties of the Nile, and on tourism with thousands flocking to see the Sphinx and Pyramids. Egypt has a large and mixed population, thanks to the demographic transfers enforced by the British government in the 1920s and 30s. Since then, a form of Egyptian nationalism has emerged based around Islam and Pharaonic ideas.

Soudan

Deep in the pocket of the Elysee, there are nevertheless fears amongst many that the Soudan may turn towards the Assyrians now that they are out from under the French thumb. This is an unwise summation. While the capitol of the Soudan now makes its own laws, it is still Boulangist and is still governed by the French corporations and their Promethean religion.

Abyssinia

Somaliland

British East Africa

American Guinea

Nigerland

Gold Coast

Free Coast

African Dorada

Cape

Madagascar

Zululand

Kaffraria

Matabili

Bemba

Yao

Wanyames

Rundi

Ha

Rukwa

Tanganika

Madagascar

Swaziland

Buganda

Chiga

Ruanda

Mozambik
 
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What If the United States had won the War of 1815?

A popular POD in the United States is the 1815 War, with a focus on an American victory. If the Americans had decisively defeated Britain, New England would not have been able to secede, Florida would either not have been expanded or would have been annexed in its entirity, and the Canadas and possibly all of British North America would have been conquered. The outlook from there on in, is usually one of American domination, as they first prevent Federalists from conquering Tejas and then conquer it themselves. Comancheria would never have been capable of matching American military power and would have been crushed, shortly followed by an annexation of the friendly Republic of California. Their expansion across North America is matched only by their domination of Africa, with a successful war against the Barbary Corsairs resulting in a vast American domain stretching from the Mediterranean to the Kongo watershed. If this had happened, and this America had held similar social convictions to the real world America, then the world would have become used to the racially stratified serf system, dynastic politics and government corporatism of the United States.

However, this view as expressed in popular culture is probably flawed. The primary reason for British victory was the end of the war in Europe which allowed them to reorganise their efforts against America. An American victory is likely to hinge on the war in Europe continuing for a much longer time, distracting Britain and allowing them to achieve victory. A possibility for extending the war would be a little known footnote of history, when Napoleon Bonaparte attempted to escape from Elba. If he had succeeded, he may have been able to restart the Napoleonic Wars. If this had continued long enough, into 1816 or afterwards, the Americans may have been able to take control of the Canadas. America's naval capacity at this time was weak, but once they had taken land, it would be hard for the British to make them move.

If America had won the war of 1815, the Canadas and Florida would likely have become American territories. Newfoundland would have remained British, though Labrador would probably have been ceded to the Americans. Ruperts Land would likely be sold to the United States. From here, they would have dominated the whole of what is now Borealia, and would have a Pacific Coast. No annexation of territory on the part of Tejas would have turned Burr's ambitions either west into California, or like Dorada and America itself have turned to Africa. California is likely to have been absorbed into the United States, with at least two new Confederations ultimately joining the United States, Canada (along with the Maritimes and Labrador), and Pacifica.

With their territorial desires now satisfied, the Americans are unlikely to have colonised American Guinea as thoroughly, with only a few coastal stations in existence at most. However, the economic, constitutional and military reforms made by Andrew Jackson are unlikely to have happened. Big regional divisions wouls have continued, the economy would have been even harder to industrialise and the military would still prove decentralised and not up to the task of fighting a united and determined enemy.

New Englander independent sentiment may have been satisfied by a new Confederation but this seems unlikely. With California annexed, and much of Louisiana being filled with slave settlements, the abolitionists of John Brown are still likely to have migrated into New Mexico. When the rebellion of Brown, the removed Indians of the East (still likely to have happened), and the Comanche occurred, the New Englanders are likely to have rebelled at the same time, and this time, taking the free soil states of the Confederation of Canada. Lower Canada may have formed an independent republic of their own at this time, and the vast swathe of Ruperts Land is likely to have been divided between the two new republics. The Sioux of the Lhakota Territory may have tried to create their own native state. Tejas may have been more capable of fending off the Comanche thanks to not having to hold down restive Americans, though the costs of foreign adventuring may still have doomed them.

Pacifica is likely to have gained de facto independence at this point. The United States would be left an even smaller rump than in our world. If with their poorly armed and trained military they had attempted to ban outright slavery at this point, it seem not unlikely that the Association would have succeeded. The North American continent would have been left divided between several vying powers, the most powerful being Pacifica, New England and in the long term one of the New Spanish states.
 
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A popular POD in the United States is the 1815 War, with a focus on an American victory. If the Americans had decisively defeated Britain, New England would not have been able to secede, Florida would either not have been expanded or would have been annexed in its entirity, and the Canadas and possibly all of British North America would have been conquered. The outlook from there on in, is usually one of American domination, as they first prevent Federalists from conquering Tejas and then conquer it themselves. Comancheria would never have been capable of matching American military power and would have been crushed, shortly followed by an annexation of the friendly Republic of California. Their expansion across North America is matched only by their domination of Africa, with a successful war against the Barbary Corsairs resulting in a vast American domain stretching from the Mediterranean to the Kongo watershed. If this had happened, and this America had held similar social convictions to the real world America, then the world would have become used to the racially stratified serf system, dynastic politics and government corporatism of the United States.

Sounds an awful lot like DoD when you think about it.....

Also, what's with this Bart guy and what kind of importance could he have later on? ;)
 
Sounds an awful lot like DoD when you think about it.....

Also, what's with this Bart guy and what kind of importance could he have later on? ;)

Just a little idea. I've expanded a bit on the idea above, and shown how in a TTL AH.com, the popular in fiction idea of America becoming this vast continent spanning power is seen as rather laughable, along the same lines as Nazi Germany achieving all of their war aims.

I should do more of these. I think one where the Comanche are decisively defeated would be interesting. America may actually have got a Pacific border in that world. And with everything south of them divided or poorly populated...

Bart is just a bit of an experiment in writing a story set in A Looser Union. I'm not great on writing stories because I want to rush ahead to the action, but I'm no good at writing action set pieces. Thats why I tend to skip over wars.
 
Africa

Africa is another prime front for the Long War. As the Great Powers end the old colonial era and enter a new phase, as transcontinental nations, so Africa's position in the world is redefined. New nations are emerging, some strong, some weak.
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Is this a WIP, or have you forgotten something?
 
Nigerland reminds me of that Armenian (I think he was, anyway) who came onto the board one day, posted some absolutely horrendous maps, misspelled the "Niger colonies" in one as "Nigger colonies", and promptly got banned.
 
Nigerland reminds me of that Armenian (I think he was, anyway) who came onto the board one day, posted some absolutely horrendous maps, misspelled the "Niger colonies" in one as "Nigger colonies", and promptly got banned.

As I was typing it in, I was thinking 'Now, we really don't want a typo here'. I think I was pushing it slightly with Kaffraria, considering its name is derived from kaffir. But its a name I saw the area labelled with on a 19th century map so I rolled with it.
 
I'd like to ask a question of my readership. One of my biggest concerns is the unity of the British Salutariat. I am worried that I am allowing their longevity at the cost of plausibility. On the one hand, their mixed race nature, the weakness of India and its earlier industrialisation and demographic transition as well as a common experience of aristocratic oppression lead me to believe the Salutariat is a robust institution. On the other hand, its domains are spread out all over the globe, and there must be a formation of separate identities. My concern for the French Republic is less due to its extreme laissez faire nature and the decades of concentration specifically on West Africa. So what do we think?
 
I think that with everyone else (or at least almost everyone else) being so unpleasant the Salutariat probably stays together as much due to fear as anything, so it makes sense to me.
 
I think that with everyone else (or at least almost everyone else) being so unpleasant the Salutariat probably stays together as much due to fear as anything, so it makes sense to me.

Theres a little of the Restored Empire from DoD in that sense I reckon.
 
I think it should break up- have the American territories go free, seeing as they are far removed from the Indian Ocean, and perhaps soon an ideological split that cleaves the British Isles away from the rest of the Salutariat. This leaves India and the other Indian Ocean territories as the Indian Salutariat, successor to the British Salutariat, with the American territories going however the go and Britain going down a different ideological path (perhaps one more similar to OTL Communism, or even a naval-dominated Songun type of deal).

Its longevity is no longer plausible.
 
Yeah, basically, just with an ATL form of *Socialism.

Also, I'm guessing the same may go for the U.S. to an extent as well? :)

True, though I had already planned for the US to become dominated by slave states, long before I started reading DoD.
 
I think it should break up- have the American territories go free, seeing as they are far removed from the Indian Ocean, and perhaps soon an ideological split that cleaves the British Isles away from the rest of the Salutariat. This leaves India and the other Indian Ocean territories as the Indian Salutariat, successor to the British Salutariat, with the American territories going however the go and Britain going down a different ideological path (perhaps one more similar to OTL Communism, or even a naval-dominated Songun type of deal).

Its longevity is no longer plausible.

See, my problem there is that India is in no position to rule the Indian Ocean. The Indo Gangetic Plain, the most densely populated area of India is heavily irradiated. Much of the population north of there has fled, either by airlift to elsewhere in the Salutariat, or northwards into Russia or Tibet. People in the south have also moved away from fears of the tributaries of the Indus and Ganges becoming irradiated. If Britain abandons the Salutariat, each Autonomy is on their own.
 
Then let them break into pieces- let Britain go, and India go, and Africa go (and, if not all the others, then at least the Americas)
 
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