A less chauvinism, racist and homophobic world

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by QueenMaud, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. VVD0D95 Lemmy is God.

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    Because people are dickheads, and always will be.
     
  2. Prince de Pringondani Well-Known Member

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    A more westerniced World perhaps for most of the things you want with yout thread are most widespread in the Western World(US and Western Europe)
     
  3. Byzantine fanatic Scholar of the West and East

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    Not convinced this will work. We already have a westernized world for 100 years now. I think it's more about economic development and domestic politics. Democracy can't be dropped from the bomb bay of a B52 superfortress onto the non-western "other".

    Such thinking is pretty unhelpful and at worst counter productive. In Libya, western intervention resulted in the spread of head-chopping jihadis who brought back slavery and sell women in open slave markets. Western support for al Qaeda buddies al Nusra in Syria is another example. Not to mention the western "friends" in Saudi Arabia, currently bombing the crap out of Yemen with their western supplied Eurofighter jets and causing the world's biggest humanitarian crisis. So, no. We don't need more "Western" intervention in the world. That is the LAST thing we need right now.
     
  4. Prince de Pringondani Well-Known Member

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    I know it will not work but i can't imagine another way.IMO it will not easy happen sorry for Queen Maud but maybe it has now reached it's zenith?
     
  5. alexmilman Well-Known Member

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    How about "because they are cultural"? :)

    If they are biological then all complaints about them are preposterous: you can't change biology and can't blame individuals or society for the things which are caused by the genes. Anyway, there are plenty of the reasonably modern facts showing substantial changes in attitudes within decades or even years based exclusively on the social factors.
     
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  6. alexmilman Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. While the Protestant spiritual leaders had been gushing about Elizabeth I their fundamental position was that the women in general (with the exception of Elizabeth) don't have mental capacities. AFAIK, in the contemporary Catholic France the women had been routinely playing a very noticeable role in politics and society in general.

    Or see Russia circa XVIII century. Or Victorian Britain until at least mid-XIX. :teary:
     
  7. alexmilman Well-Known Member

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    But Saudi Arabia is also a monarchy and the attitudes are quite different.
     
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  8. VVD0D95 Lemmy is God.

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    Look at their religion and get your answer
     
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  9. alexmilman Well-Known Member

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    I did not ask any questions, just commented on "monarchism" issue.
     
  10. VVD0D95 Lemmy is God.

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    I know, I was merely giving a point.
     
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  11. Byzantion Well-Known Member

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  12. BootOnFace Buoyant Armiger

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    Why does money exist? Or the ideology of communism? They're ideas that have spread and gained popularity. If racism and homophobia are biological, then why are there historical societies without racism or homophobia?
     
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  13. Landmass Wave Well-Known Member

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    Well, we can safely say you aren't George W. Bush.
     
  14. Byzantine fanatic Scholar of the West and East

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    Yup. What's the difference between Wahhabist Saudi Arabia and ISIS? The difference is that the West is allied with one while fighting the other. This piece of hypocrisy exposes the moral bankruptcy and rot at the very heart of western interaction with the region.

    That's why it's so ironic/moronic that, 17 years after 9/11, the US secretary of state is currently threatening to attack Syria... for wanting to take back its own territory from al Qaeda terrorists.

    Let that sink in.
     
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  15. VVD0D95 Lemmy is God.

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    Yep.
     
  16. alexmilman Well-Known Member

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    Well, it probably can be said that the problem with our foreign policy is in an attempt to mix moral issues with a pragmatism: presumably, we must look good (no matter what are the real motivations) but in quite a few places all around the world that means selecting one of the bad guys because the good ones are not available. It would be fine if not the attempts to depict the chosen scumbag as being "pro-democracy" and blahblahblah. A pure imperialism could be much more practical and less bizarre ideologically.
     
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  17. ShortsBelfast Events, dear boy, events

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    Possibly the fact that one of the two is selling the West oil and buying up investments and consumer goods and the other is hijacking aeroplanes and flying them into major population centres on suicide missions?
    How people respond to you is part of how you regard and interact with them. What is the difference between the elderly Italian-American widow who welcomed you to the neighborhood with a home baked lasagne and the elderly Italian-American widow who short changed you at the store? Same culture, same ethnicity, same religion both with views and values you don't share yet you will obviously regard the two of them somewhat differently. You end up cutting the lawn of one while you do your own and never setting foot in the other's store again. Does that make you a hypocrite?
     
  18. Byzantine fanatic Scholar of the West and East

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    It's a nice analogy but Saudi Arabia's regime is not a kindly grandma giving out lasagne. It is a state that actively promotes a dangerous and extremist ideology which teaches people virtually an identitical creed to what ISIS does. These beliefs are then spread around the world via a network of preachers, schools, madrasas, television channels and more. The same beliefs teach that any one who isn't a Wahhabist fanatic is a heretic deserving of death. These beliefs are poisonous toxin that attacks and corrodes societies from within. It must be stopped.
     
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  19. A Most Sovereign Lady Princess of the Kingdom of Maryland

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    The ad hominens and straw positions in this thread are great.

    Unless you fundamentally change the nature of humanity this question cannot be sufficiently answered.
     
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  20. Darth Dargon Sith and dangerous, if you know what I mean

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    Greater education and interactions with other people groups throughout the world.
     
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