A Kingdom of Two Roses

Part I
A Kingdom of Two Roses

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“The year of 1453 had left England battered and bruised. The once integral English territory of Gascony had fallen to the French following the Battle of Castillion. To add insult to injury Henry VI suffered a complete and utter mental breakdown in response, which left the governance of England in the hands of his ‘talented’ advisors and officials. Fortunately, there was light at the end of the tunnel. The Queen Margaret of Anjou was pregnant with child. Many, including the Queen herself, prayed for a son so that the matter of succession could be put to rest for at least another generation [1].

Wanting a safe delivery, Margaret would enter confinement in September, with only a handful of trusted servants and physicians entering her chambers. Then on the evening of October 28th, Margaret of Anjou entered labour. After several gruelling hours the labour came to an end. England had its heir at last, a bonny little girl [2].”

Lauren Johnson, “Two Margarets: The Story of a Mother and Daughter”


[1] There is no de-jure heir at the moment, and lots of potential claimants, meaning if Henry VI were to die there would be blood.
[2] Our POD, in OTL Margaret gave birth to a boy, who we know as Edward of Westminster. Here she gives birth to a girl.


 
I think Margaret I of England would marry the otl Edward iV of England or his younger brother Edmund earl of Rutland but Edward would be the First choice I would think.

The English successful at this time it contradictory due to politics and the disposition of Richard II. If we go by the Lancastrian succession law the crown should go to York. Si depending on what Richard 3rd Duke of York does and what parliament decides anything Could happen. Richard 3rd Duke of York could become Richard iii of England but otl Henry Vi could live until he is in his 60s so by that time Margaret and Edward would be in there late 30s or early 40s.
 
It really makes the most sense. York has the stronger claim anyway, what better way to reconcile the lines of descent?
Perhaps there could be situation like with William of orange and and his wife Mary becoming Mary the 2nd of England and William the first of England. Margaret could become Queen Margaret the first with Edward iV as her co-monarch.
 
I think Margaret I of England would marry the otl Edward iV of England or his younger brother Edmund earl of Rutland but Edward would be the First choice I would think.
It would make the most sense, Edmund would only work if Edward died or was unavailable.
The English successful at this time it contradictory due to politics and the disposition of Richard II. If we go by the Lancastrian succession law the crown should go to York
Not necessarily, Henry IV made an Act of Parliament that meant the crown would be inherited by his sons and their heirs (male and female), so Margaret is the heir. It’s what happens afterwards that’s contradictory at confusing. York would be the de-facto heir without Princess Margaret.
Si depending on what Richard 3rd Duke of York does and what parliament decides anything Could happen. Richard 3rd Duke of York could become Richard iii of England but otl Henry Vi could live until he is in his 60s so by that time Margaret and Edward would be in there late 30s or early 40s.
I doubt Margaret of Anjou would allow her husband to be deposed, even if their daughter is due to marry Richard’s son, though Henry VI could very well live longer.
 
We’ll see in due time. There won’t be much competition for her hand is all I’ll say.
Would that really be the case?Richard of York and his family still had quite a lot of rivals in England.This is also a golden opportunity for a lot of families to try and upjump their own position by marrying their own son to the future queen.
 
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Would that really be the case?Richard of York and his family still had quite a lot of rivals in England.This is also a golden opportunity for a lot of families to try and upjump their own position by marrying their own son to the future queen.
True, but the alternatives are either too young or might be considered ‘too old’ for Margaret. If Margaret isn’t marrying a York, I’d put my money one her marrying a Stafford or Tudor.
 
True, but the alternatives are either too young or might be considered ‘too old’ for Margaret. If Margaret isn’t marrying a York, I’d put my money one her marrying a Stafford or Tudor.
It would have to be otl Henry Vii but going by the tital the wars of the Roses will not start. If Henry Vi dies and York becomes lord protector there should be peace
 
It would have to be otl Henry Vii but going by the tital the wars of the Roses will not start. If Henry Vi dies and York becomes lord protector there should be peace
That’s assuming Henry VII exists ITTL, Edmund Tudor might wait a teeny bit longer before consummating his marriage Margaret Beaufort. Henry VI dying would help assure peace, both so would York taking Somerset’s place as his right hand man.
 
That’s assuming Henry VII exists ITTL, Edmund Tudor might wait a teeny bit longer before consummating his marriage Margaret Beaufort. Henry VI dying would help assure peace, both so would York taking Somerset’s place as his right hand man.
Obviously Edmund consummating his marriage with a 12-years-old is horrifying and Margaret would be better off if it hadn't happened, but I love Henry VII. Please have him exist in this timeline.
 
Obviously Edmund consummating his marriage with a 12-years-old is horrifying and Margaret would be better off if it hadn't happened, but I love Henry VII. Please have him exist in this timeline.
I agree completely. I am torn between having the marriage being consummated later own, or having it being consummated around the same time as OTL, though I am leaning towards the latter.
 
I agree completely. I am torn between having the marriage being consummated later own, or having it being consummated around the same time as OTL, though I am leaning towards the latter.
Well, a later born Henry Tudor would not really be the same Henry. Although it wouldn’t fix the yuck factor of her giving birth so young, perhaps she could get through it more unscathed so that she would be able to carry children later on?
 
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