A Jewish state in Africa.

Tsao

Banned
What kind of colony was Madagascar? Why wasn't it settled?

Officially, it was a protectorate, like the British protectorate of Kuwait or Kashmir. It wasn't annexed until 1896, and even then there was large native resistance. Can you imagine what a large Jewish population sent there? How do you think the natives would react? And once again, I can't think of any instance where anything like this would be attempted, unless the entirety of the French government was insane.
 
The Madagascar Plan wasn't viable nor could Germany have transported or supplied large numbers of Jews being shipped to the island...

Sure, but German Southwest Africa (or east Africa,or Kamerun) i think yes.
And if Allied gieve tone of these ex German colonies to Jewish peoples in 1919,and in 1939 is already an Israelian state,this can help the evacuation of European Jews from countries controlled by nazis.
 
allot of jews went to Africa,
for more info,read this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Jews

Wow! I think that German Southwest Africa is perfect for an Israelian State from 1919.

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Palestine is not major problem in this proposal
allot of jews went to Africa,
for more info,read this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Jews


after this link Zimbabwe is very good candidate for new Jews state after WW2
only you need politicans how have determination to realise this...

There is absolutely no way that the white settlers of Rhodesia, who gained self government in 1923 would have allowed their state to become a Jewish homeland.

It would have had to happen before self government and even then is unlikely
 

BlondieBC

Banned
I was thinking Namibia as well, considering its large European population in OTL. I wonder about its carrying capacity, though... Present-day Namibia only has a little over 2 million people, while Israel is home to nearly 6 million Jews. Either way, it would be interesting to see how Namibisrael develops alongside apartheid South Africa.

Without the Holocaust and Jewish Migration to the USA combined with natural growth rates in population, a nation of 20 million is closer to the figure. From memory, Hitler killed 6-7 million Jews out of a population of 9 million in Europe and 15 million world wide. At a minimum, with a little population growth, it is 15 million Jews (6 in Israel now, + 6 million holocaust + 3 increase in population of Holocaust victims.)

So for example if the Jews of Europe all moved to the Middle East in the 1920's and 1930's, creating a Jewish homeland would require relocation the entire native population of what is now Israel and Jordan.
 
I'd doubt that Namibia could sustain a huge population for all sorts of reasons, but assuming that many tens of thousands of Jewish migrants arrive and stay between 1919 and 1948 I think that would radically change South African domestic politics.

Apartheid, in the sense that developed OTL, probably wouldn't occur, but we would still see the kind of state that existed up till 1948, one where discrimination was there, but less overt

Anyway, lets look at the scope of such a settlement.

In 1911 there was a shade under 11000 Europeans living in SWA, of which about 1500 were British subjects (I think a reasonable number would have been Afrikaner migrants pushed out by the South African War). In 1914 that population seems to be almost 14000 (figures are rough and I'm not sure how accurate they are). So, basically the European population of the territory was about the same of a large rural town in NZ or Australia at the time!

So it would not take much to swamp this population. However, I suspect that the territory itself would take a huge amount of effort to actually settle in any large numbers. Would SWA be able to sustain the high hundreds of thousands of European Jewish immigrants needed by WW1? I doubt it. I would expect many would go over land to Angola, the Rhodesias, Mozambique and of course, South Africa.
 
South Africa was already touchy enough and sufficiently unreliable that there would be a massive problem in informing the South African government that Namibia was being taken away and given to another group.
 
Without the Holocaust and Jewish Migration to the USA combined with natural growth rates in population, a nation of 20 million is closer to the figure. From memory, Hitler killed 6-7 million Jews out of a population of 9 million in Europe and 15 million world wide. At a minimum, with a little population growth, it is 15 million Jews (6 in Israel now, + 6 million holocaust + 3 increase in population of Holocaust victims.)

So for example if the Jews of Europe all moved to the Middle East in the 1920's and 1930's, creating a Jewish homeland would require relocation the entire native population of what is now Israel and Jordan.

Why are you expecting all Jews to move to this alternate homeland? Without the Holocaust, Jewish Europeans have less motivation to leave, and a mass exodus of Jews from the United States is even less likely.
 
Why are you expecting all Jews to move to this alternate homeland? Without the Holocaust, Jewish Europeans have less motivation to leave, and a mass exodus of Jews from the United States is even less likely.

In 1920s and early 30s absolutly not,but when the old mad eyes in Berlin begins to get serious,the Israelian African State can be a safe refuge for thousend,thousend and thousend of European Jews.
Sustainability?
Don't forget the donations by jews in all world,and don't forget the genius of Jewish peoples.
 

yourworstnightmare

Banned
Donor
In 1920s and early 30s absolutly not,but when the old mad eyes in Berlin begins to get serious,the Israelian African State can be a safe refuge for thousend,thousend and thousend of European Jews.
Sustainability?
Don't forget the donations by jews in all world,and don't forget the genius of Jewish peoples.
Yes, but without an actual mass murder most Jews would still be content, and other die hard Zionists would not accept any other alternative than the Holy Land.
 
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