A House of Lamps: A Moorish America

Yeah, the whole "Europeans can't go tropical" trope is pretty badly overstated. Not that it's entirely without reason, but it gets over-extrapolated WAY too much as a thing, especially once mitigators like @Soverihn mentioned are factored in (NE-to-South Brazil, central-highland Mesoamerica, and trade-wind-adjacent parts of the Antilles demonstrate this). It is a shame that slavery seems as likely (or more) to spring up in Virginia here. However, I'm still holding out hope that an OTL post-1660 hard "white-everyone else" line doesn't evolve, since at least that way some folks could dodge remaining in bondage. Plus, a white-dominant English colony is boring.

While I've never been, what I find fascinating about Northeastern Brazil is the contrast in landscape it seems to offer, based on pictures and video. It seems that along the coast, you have what appears to be a very Caribbean-esque strand of beaches and tropical woodland (with consistently flowing rivers to avoid mosquito vectors to boot), but as soon as you go a few dozen kilometers upland you might as well be in Arizona. Hopefully I didn't get the wrong impression.

Excellent point. To add to previous comments as well, the early years of the colony lacked the sort of infrastructure to mitigate what disease vectors there were. Frankly the English had no frame of reference at all for life in a tropical , and then arid, environment. OTL Virginia is much closer to England in climate than ATL Virginia : P

Slavery is a economic fact of life. Colonies in Brazil, regardless of patron nation, are exploitative to the extreme. The Arabs are establishing cash crops, the Dutch are, the French / Spanish, and the English. Cotton, sugar, tobacco are, like OTL the biggest exports. Also hardwoods especially by the Arabs. Like OTL this will end up with a large slave african population in European Brazil. Distinctly unlike OTL you have a already existing, multicultural population just nearby which is going to affect things. By this point New World Arabs are a creole of Old World Arabs, Iberians (Arab or otherwise) Native Americans and small Black African, Western European and Berber populations. Arabs set the cultural cues for life in the American tropics, and as hostilities ease between the Virginia colony and its northern neighbors cultural mixing will lend a distinctly Islamic flair to rural colonial English society. Do not expect mosques to pop up in a elegant southern style across grand ol Virginia but do expect different dress, phrases, trade pidgins, intermarriage between English men and mixed-race locals, etc. Many bring their families to settle in Virginia but on the frontier it is very much a bachelors game, and as anyone who has used internet dating knows single men will consider any possibilities.

As for long-term race relations, the jury is still out on the question.
 
Excellent point. To add to previous comments as well, the early years of the colony lacked the sort of infrastructure to mitigate what disease vectors there were. Frankly the English had no frame of reference at all for life in a tropical , and then arid, environment. OTL Virginia is much closer to England in climate than ATL Virginia : P

Slavery is a economic fact of life. Colonies in Brazil, regardless of patron nation, are exploitative to the extreme. The Arabs are establishing cash crops, the Dutch are, the French / Spanish, and the English. Cotton, sugar, tobacco are, like OTL the biggest exports. Also hardwoods especially by the Arabs. Like OTL this will end up with a large slave african population in European Brazil. Distinctly unlike OTL you have a already existing, multicultural population just nearby which is going to affect things. By this point New World Arabs are a creole of Old World Arabs, Iberians (Arab or otherwise) Native Americans and small Black African, Western European and Berber populations. Arabs set the cultural cues for life in the American tropics, and as hostilities ease between the Virginia colony and its northern neighbors cultural mixing will lend a distinctly Islamic flair to rural colonial English society. Do not expect mosques to pop up in a elegant southern style across grand ol Virginia but do expect different dress, phrases, trade pidgins, intermarriage between English men and mixed-race locals, etc. Many bring their families to settle in Virginia but on the frontier it is very much a bachelors game, and as anyone who has used internet dating knows single men will consider any possibilities.

As for long-term race relations, the jury is still out on the question.

Bolded part: yeah but neither did the Portuguese or the Spanish have a grasp on tropical living, and really I'd question the total lack of experience with an arid environment in English thought (maybe for the lay person right away, but England DID participate in the Crusades, so at least some word of mouth/literature describing it is out there even a couple of centuries later). A Mediterranean climate is still not a tropical one, and only parts of Iberia even come close to the kind of heat you'd find in North Africa or even Southern Italy...if anything seemed utterly alien to an Englishman in Brazil, I'd put money on the abundance of sunshine as much temperature. Good point on exploitation being non-dependent on the colonizer, cash is as cash does.

Interesting description of Arab influence on Virginian culture, that will make for a pretty unique flourish on local culture. For some reason, the mental picture of relations between the New World Arabs and the Virginians to me resembles something approximating the U.S.-Mexican border during the 19th Century; alternating between cross-boundary raiding and free trade, as mercurially as you please, while still exchanging developments in terminology, diet, fashion, etc. Either way, seems like there's lots of cool changes from OTL to offset the less-than-pleasant economic groundwork being established.
 
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While I've never been, what I find fascinating about Northeastern Brazil is the contrast in landscape it seems to offer, based on pictures and video. It seems that along the coast, you have what appears to be a very Caribbean-esque strand of beaches and tropical woodland (with consistently flowing rivers to avoid mosquito vectors to boot), but as soon as you go a few dozen kilometers upland you might as well be in Arizona. Hopefully I didn't get the wrong impression.

Haha, you did not, Northeastern Brazil is pretty much like that, the coast is like a mix of the caribbean and Italy(ish), with great harbours and some coastal islands. As far you get into it, more arid and desert the place stays, it was in this interior (here in Brazil called "Sertão") that we've our (and better) version of the Wild West, the as i mentioned before, "Cangaço".

Interesting description of Arab influence on Virginian culture, that will make for a pretty unique flourish on local culture. For some reason, the mental picture of relations between the New World Arabs and the Virginians to me resembles something approximating the U.S.-Mexican border during the 19th Century; alternating between cross-boundary raiding and free trade, as mercurially as you please, while still exchanging developments in terminology, diet, fashion, etc. Either way, seems like there's lots of cool changes from OTL to offset the less-than-pleasant economic groundwork being established.

I wonder how the arabs (and the english "wilders" in the interior too) are enjoying the descendency of the native amazonians...
 
Bolded part: yeah but neither did the Portuguese or the Spanish have a grasp on tropical living, and really I'd question the total lack of experience with an arid environment in English thought (maybe for the lay person right away, but England DID participate in the Crusades, so at least some word of mouth/literature describing it is out there even a couple of centuries later). A Mediterranean climate is still not a tropical one, and only parts of Iberia even come close to the kind of heat you'd find in North Africa or even Southern Italy...if anything seemed utterly alien to an Englishman in Brazil, I'd put money on the abundance of sunshine as much temperature. Good point on exploitation being non-dependent on the colonizer, cash is as cash does.

Interesting description of Arab influence on Virginian culture, that will make for a pretty unique flourish on local culture. For some reason, the mental picture of relations between the New World Arabs and the Virginians to me resembles something approximating the U.S.-Mexican border during the 19th Century; alternating between cross-boundary raiding and free trade, as mercurially as you please, while still exchanging developments in terminology, diet, fashion, etc. Either way, seems like there's lots of cool changes from OTL to offset the less-than-pleasant economic groundwork being established.

Great points all. I wonder if heat stroke was ever a significant issue in the Sertão? I must admit my knowledge of OTL Brazilian colonization is limited to the broad strokes of it.
 
Great points all. I wonder if heat stroke was ever a significant issue in the Sertão? I must admit my knowledge of OTL Brazilian colonization is limited to the broad strokes of it.

It was not, because the portuguese colonists were already well-established (and thus, accustomed to the weather) in the coast, but then, in the dutch invasion a considerable portion of the casualties on inland expeditions were because soldiers were not used to the heat. So, in a normal season (like, without drought), if you're accostomed with the coast you can live (with some difficulties) in the interior, but i'm saying that in the scenario of a person in a established village in the interior, 'cause heat stroke in a trip is pretty common.
 
I'm sure that Englishmen are dropping dead like flies from melanoma, though.

Ironically, by many indicators English people are slightly less susceptible to primary melanoma (malignant skin cancer) than the Spanish and quite a bit less susceptible than Germans. The one difference to their disadvantage is, of course, melanin levels. But the British, especially mixed-race British, may be healthier than Iberians were.

Lots of tans though :p.
 
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Ironically, by many indicators English people are slightly less susceptible to primary melanoma (malignant skin cancer) than the Spanish and quite a bit less susceptible than Germans. The one difference to their disadvantage is, of course, melanin levels. But the British, especially mixed-race British, may be healthier than Iberians were.

Lots of tans though :p.
Or sunburns.
 
Ill make sure to mention some crispy europeans in my next update, even if its totally irrelevant to the subject matter.

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If this TL results in English culture where men do not immediately take their shirts off at any sign of sun that will be a wank as that seems the most intractable part of our culture atm.
 
Speaking of English culture, the cuisine in Virginia is going to be really interesting with English and Riyshi influences. So, maybe colonial English cuisine might become well known as spicy and flavorful. Now that’s a crazy thought.
 
Speaking of English culture, the cuisine in Virginia is going to be really interesting with English and Riyshi influences. So, maybe colonial English cuisine might become well known as spicy and flavorful. Now that’s a crazy thought.
Unlike England itself, whose biggest contribution to the culinary world has been fish and chips (nothing wrong with that, just not very interesting).
 
Speaking of English culture, the cuisine in Virginia is going to be really interesting with English and Riyshi influences. So, maybe colonial English cuisine might become well known as spicy and flavorful. Now that’s a crazy thought.

Early on you will see a effort to replicate European dishes as much as possible but like OTL colonial cuisines it will gradually slide to a cuisine more suited to the local climate. To give a example, savory pies and puddings made with local ingredients will become very popular, as will be cornbread, and various corn-based flatbreads like OTL arepas or tortillas.

Many otherwise indigenous foods will be adopted from Arabs rather than natives themselves. By the 17th century colonial Arab food had thoroughly blended old Iberian and Amerindian cuisine into a seamless style that was more palatable to Europeans than the bitter manioc pancakes and fermented corn brews of the Tupi. While direct transmission of native dishes will occur, especially with manioc which enjoyed more prestige in Brazil than it did anywere in Mesoamerica or the Caribbean, it will be drowned out by Arab-dishes that incorporate peppers, squashes, corn, sweet potato, beans, etc with Old-World meats, grains, and dairy products.

One dish that will become popular in England ATL like say, butter chicken OTL, will be tebbit. A Branian Arab dish, coming from a word meaning 'chaos' or 'mess', it is a rough hash of sweet potato, corn, fruit, squash with Iberian rice, black beans, and peppers. It could be prepared from the leftovers of other dishes with local ingredients. It is adopted among English settlers who spread a modified version in England proper, though replacing sweet potato with true potatos and adding other cold-weather vegetables like turnips in place of tropical fruits. As expected, potatos become as popular in this ATL Europe as OTL. A winter tedbit becomes a staple dish among the English poor by the 17 - 1800s.
 
@dontfearme22 how scary and powerful is valois realm? I was doing some thinking they france, northern iberia and what makes the 13 colonies they are really powerful. Legitimately is there any power who could realistically defeat them in a war?
 
@dontfearme22 how scary and powerful is valois realm? I was doing some thinking they france, northern iberia and what makes the 13 colonies they are really powerful. Legitimately is there any power who could realistically defeat them in a war?

Valois is huge, but it is awfully governed. It is rife with internal dissension and mismanagement. Valois can muster more men and ships than any other nation outside of China, but quantity vs. quality only carries so far. Its troubles in the Netherlands, Iberia and the colonies have shown it is both struggling militarily, but also cannot even guarantee the integrity of its realm. There was never a true national identity of Valois. It is a dynastic abberation, a frankenstate. A rise in ethnonationalism across Europe is only multiplying the sense that Valois's seperate parts are more different than they could ever be similar.

Sectarian tension, not just between men of different ethnicities but between different commanders has hampered the militaries effectiveness. The Valoisians can drown their enemies in sheer manpower, but their armies are increasingly full of mercenaries to supplement a decline in quality infantrymen. A negligent crown has made it difficult to maintain modern weapons, build new ships and keep quality training standards. Good commanders still exist, but the entire military infrastructure is straining under its own weight, and without the sort of governance at the very top to right the entire mess.

The greatest Christian military power in western Europe is actually England. It is relatively untroubled by war (relatively), has a cutting-edge navy and has only gained from the slow collapse of Valois and Andalusia.
 
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