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If the butterflies have fluttered enough for original material may I suggest this:
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The Happytime Murders - Directed by Frank Oz; Starring Madeline Khan as Detective Connie Edwards, Cindy Morgan as Jenny Peterson, Jo Anne Worley as Bubbles, Alan Sues as Special Agent Campbell
@Geekhis Khan Any chance of doing these ITTL but somewhat more like Peter Jackson's Meet the Feebles (perhaps with Peter Jackson)?
 
Flight of the Navigator had pretty great computer special effects and now they are going to be even better :eek: It could be nostalgia goggles talking but it was an amazing film all over, maybe this time it will get a sequel or something.
 
Idea for the Wild Things film ITTL: the music of Daniel Johnson is part of the soundtrack (Karen O. provided a cover of "Worried Shoes" for the film IOTL, so to have the original in all its childlike, lo-fi indie pop glory on the soundtrack would be amazing):

The original:

Like, I could totally see this playing over the sequence where the island comes into being.

I already had music picked out for WtWTA, but that's pretty cool. I'll look into him a little more.

Uncle Deadly’s Nightmares sounds like fun, and the start of a long tradition on the channel.

This indeed sounds like nightmare juice...

How well did The Nightmare Before Christmas do ITTL?

Jonathan Scissorhands with River Phoenix and The Cure doing music? Oh that is going to be a lot creepier than the OTL movie.
Interesting to see that Tim Burton’s career launches earlier than IOTL. Seeing not only the creation of TTL’s Frankenweenie, but also Nightmare before Christmas and Edward Scissorhands could allow Tim Burton more time to give to other projects he neglect IOTL. I do wonder what’s going to happen to Johnny Depp or Henry Selick, as it was these films that gave them the launching point of their film careers. Selick’s still in Disney, so perhaps he stays in 2d animation?
Nightmare does eventually get released as a film...6 years ahead of OUR TIMELINE!? YES!
Will Henry Selick still have a career? He is still at Disney at this point.

Thanks, all, and I'll cover what happens with Nightmare and JS later. Johnny Depp will appear at some point (still very young at the moment). Henry Selick is working as an animator on Nightmare Before Christmas and you will hear from him.

The Cure? The band best known for "Friday I'm in Love" and "She Sells Sanctuary?" There are many much better horror themed bands and solo artists out there. Even if White Zombie and The Toadies haven't happened yet, and the Speed Metal Five are laboring in obscurity until the Nineties, we still have the likes of Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Ozzie Osborne, Dio, Danzig, InXS, and possibly the newly-formed Guns n' Roses.

Okay, so they aren't The Carpenters or the Bay City Rollers, but still, I was expecting Tim Burton to shoot for the moon, and he only aimed for low earth orbit.
Alice Cooper would be nice and seemed like he was having a ball on The Muppet Show.
First off, if you're going to criticize get the facts straight - the Cult did She Sells Sanctuary. Also, goth doesn't automatically equal horror themed, as Friday I'm In Love shows they had a clownish side. Most importantly, it seems like your personal music tastes are making you overlook that per Geekhis's footnote OTL Burton was desperate to collaberate with them. You may think there are "better" bands out there that would fit this, but that's your opinion, not the writer or, more importantly per making a plausible alt-hist story, Tim Burton.

Anyway, this was an awesome chapter and something tells me TTL me is becoming a Cure fan earlier, as will a lot of kids. Great chapter.
So assuming that ITTL's Jonathan Scissorhands is anything like OTL's Edward Scissorhands than I think The Cure going the sound track is perfect.

The Cure was Tim Burton's original choice. He even wanted Robert Smith to star as the titular Scissorhands in TTL and OTL. Personally I like The Cure, though casually rather than obsessively like some of my friends, and I felt that their particularly atmospheric Emo/Goth feel (long before the terms "Emo" and "Goth" existed, BTW) make them a good fit for a film about teenage isolation and conformity vs. individuality.

Alice Cooper has revealed to interviewers that The Muppet Show was one of his favorite gigs ever.

@Geekhis Khan Any chance of doing these ITTL but somewhat more like Peter Jackson's Meet the Feebles (perhaps with Peter Jackson)?

I'll think about it, but no promises. FWIW eventually there will be an appearance of "adult" Muppets, but likely not where you expect to see them.

Flight of the Navigator had pretty great computer special effects and now they are going to be even better :eek: It could be nostalgia goggles talking but it was an amazing film all over, maybe this time it will get a sequel or something.
I liked FotN and yea, the effects were pretty good for 1986 and still hold up fairly well.
 
John Candy comes to mind.
I agree, one of the quickest to save him in the short term is to butterfly away Wagons East.
Have a second prop guy rechecking all the props.
Freddie Mercury*
I think the only way to save him is luck or ASBs.
Judith Barsi
Maybe have her father die in a DUI accident.
(If he does survive, he should totally star in/write songs for a zoroastrian-themed film)
If they did he could play Zoroaster.
 
Pee Wee's Big Adventure
Ten Surprising Things about Pee Wee’s Big Adventure (1985)
From Bait and Clicks netsite, August 12th, 2005


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Not exactly this, and from the makers of Airplane!

20 years ago, Pee Wee’s Big Adventure (1985) introduced the world to the childlike oddity that was Pee Wee Herman. And to celebrate this anniversary, we present to you Ten Surprising Things about it!

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#10: It began as an Ironic Stage Show
Pee Wee began as a character developed by underground comedian Paul Reubens, who’d previously made appearances in two Cheech & Chong movies. This led to “The Pee-Wee Herman Show” at the Groundlings Theater in LA and then at the Roxy. This led to an HBO taping. The stage show, particularly the late-night performances, were noticeably more adult than what you’re used to. The sexual tension between Captain Carl and Miss Yvonne was palpable. At one point, a female member of the “audience” is hypnotized into stripping!

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#9: Paul Reubens wanted Tim Burton to direct!
Can you imagine that? Pee Wee Herman in the surreal, gothic hands of Tim Burton! But yes, it nearly happened as the two worked together on the set of The Ballad of Edward Ford, where – Bonus Fact! – Reubens played the transgender director Harry Blake under the pseudonym Reuben Pete. Burton, however, had commitments at Disney and had to turn down the opportunity. Trying to imagine what dark, twisted stuff Burton would have come up with[1] just boggles the mind!

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#8: The Original Screenplay was Filthy!!
When Warner Brothers decided to take Pee Wee to the big screen, they brought in slapstick comedy legends Jim Abrahams and brothers David and Jerry Zucker, or “ZAZ”, to write and direct. Taking a cue from the adult themes of the stage show and Reubens’ Cheech and Chong collaborations, ZAZ produced a script very similar in most cases to what ultimately made it to the big screen. However, it was R-rated. Rather than the suitcase full of diamonds that Pee Wee finds as the inciting McGuffin in the final script, it was a suitcase full of cocaine. When Pee Wee goes nuts and tears apart his hotel room it wasn’t from consuming ludicrous amounts of candy and soda-pop bought with some of the diamonds, it was from sampling the cocaine. And the scene when he flips out from the kiss the heroine gives him, in the original it was a blowjob. Imagine that next time you watch reruns of Playtime with Pee Wee!

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#7: The Movie was a Runaway Hit
Pee Wee’s Big Adventure was a blockbuster success, turning Paul Reubens, or at least his character Pee Wee Herman, into a household name. The madcap “road film” was popular with critics and audiences and captured the public imagination. The movie made over $55 million worldwide and cemented ZAZ as the kings of American slapstick comedy.

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#6: The Film led to the Classic TV Show
The success of Pee Wee’s Big Adventure led directly to the creation of the Saturday Morning show Playtime with Pee Wee, whose insane characters, eye-ripping color pallet, and over-the-top loudness would be a defining part of the 1980s. The show lasted four seasons and can be seen even today in syndication or direct-viewing.

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#5: It Led to Two Sequels
The success of the movie led to two sequels: Pee Wee’s Flying Circus (1988) and Pee Wee in Space (1991). The first, again directed by ZAZ, had a tepid box office while the latter was directed by Reubens himself and was a spectacular bomb, killing Reuben’s short-lived directorial career in the cradle.

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#4: Fred Schneider’s Soundtrack Briefly Revived Surf Music
B-52’s front man Fred Schneider wrote the jaunty musical score and soundtrack, infusing it with peppy music from the ‘50s and ‘60s and original new pieces from him and his band. In particular, it featured a lot of surf music. The Trashmen’s “Surfin’ Bird” was given a new lease on life, as was the Champs song “Tequila”. In fact, the movie led to a short-lived revival in popularity for kitschy, upbeat surf music and shot the B-52s into the pop charts for a while.

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#3: Stage Show Cameos
Interestingly, the movie also featured several of the actors from the stage show in cameo appearances, such as John Moody (Mailman Mike) as the obnoxious mailman, Lynne Marie Stewart (Miss Yvonne) as the hotel manager and John Paragon (Jambi the Genie) as the state trooper, not that you care. This one’s just filler so we can pad things out to ten. Shit, you’re not even reading this, you’re just skimming the headings, aren’t you? That’s assuming you didn’t drop out after the fourth shitty pop-up ad my greedy-ass boss puts on this crappy netsite. Shit, even he doesn’t read the crap he hosts. I can literally say anything here and he’ll never catch on. His wife’s a whore, by the way. Fuck this crappy job! Oh, and dear reader, enjoy the spyware my crook of a boss just installed on your computer after you clicked this link. When you start getting deluged with spam emails for fake boner pills you can thank him. Gods I need a fucking drink.

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#2: Jim Henson Loved the Movie, the Show, and the Character
And who doesn’t love Jim Henson? Well, as it turns out the Muppet Man and Disney exec loved both the movie and the TV show[2] and regretted that he hadn’t greenlit a Pee Wee movie himself when Reubens was working with the studio doing voice work and small acting roles.

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#1: Paul Reuben’s Life was Turned Upside Down
And do you know who ultimately did not like the movies and TV show? Paul Reubens. The role took over his life and nearly ended his acting career due to typecasting. Worse yet, since he was now a “children’s actor” he was contractually obligated to never be seen drinking, smoking, or telling the type of adult jokes that he built his early career upon. In interviews in the 1990s he expressed his frustrations and wondered aloud if they should have stuck with the original R-rated version. And yet, despite everything, scandal still found him. A blurry picture of a goat-teed man resembling Reubens leaving a pornographic theater in Miami made tabloid headlines in the late ‘80s[3]. He denies it was him. Still, the shadow of Pee Wee intruded upon his life and to this day makes it hard for him to find roles that aren’t just ironic nods to Pee Wee.

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[1] Tell ‘em Large Marge sent you.

[2] True in our timeline too.

[3] In this timeline he managed to escape the incident in our timeline where he was arrested for “indecent exposure” after “Pee Wee” came out in public in said theater.
 
I feel for Paul Reubens, his entire career built on one character. It’s like Rowen Atkinson if all he was known for was Mr. Bean instead of Blackadder etc.

You have thought someone as rich as Reubens would not need to goto a public cinema to watch porn. Therefore probably not him right?

The snark from the article writer will boost this page once the chains and Reddit get hold of it. The Boss will probably be well pleased with the traffic and results, even without ever reading it.

Great fun article @Geekhis Khan
 
That was the inspiration, yes. :) I deliberately went a bit more subtle on the spelling. The're a similar drug pun in one of the other banner ads...see if you can figure out what the drug is for.

I feel for Paul Reubens, his entire career built on one character. It’s like Rowen Atkinson if all he was known for was Mr. Bean instead of Blackadder etc.

You have thought someone as rich as Reubens would not need to goto a public cinema to watch porn. Therefore probably not him right?

The snark from the article writer will boost this page once the chains and Reddit get hold of it. The Boss will probably be well pleased with the traffic and results, even without ever reading it.

Great fun article @Geekhis Khan
Yea America is hell for typecasting. In Britain you actually can be both Mr. Bean and Blackadder. It's harder in the US and actors struggle their whole lives to escape it.

The porn theater is OTL: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-08-18-vw-1107-story.html
Why risk it? Who knows? Just hoping to live a normal (albeit delinquent) life for one freakin' day? Pee Wee played it well. His MTV Music Awards hosting afterwards was epic ("Heard any good jokes lately?"),

Thanks again, OB.
 
That was the inspiration, yes. :) I deliberately went a bit more subtle on the spelling. The're a similar drug pun in one of the other banner ads...see if you can figure out what the drug is for.
i assume it is this one lol - Azralax AS
i have seen some jokes about that pop up at my fb
weed suppositories lol
 
Interesting note: Paul Reubens tried out for Season 6 of Saturday Night Live after the original SNL cast finally left following season 5. However, Jean Doumanian (the then-executive producer of SNL--she only lasted for that season, and was fired before the end of it (1)) passed on him (2); he came up with the Pee Wee Herman character on the plane ride back--talk about creating your own success. Paul Reubens being accepted for the season 6 cast of SNL is an interesting WI in and of itself...

(1) If you look up Season 6 SNL--yeah, Doumanian made a lot of mistakes and the cast she selected wasn't that good (except for Eddie Murphy and Joe Piscopo, of all people. When Joe Piscopo (who, to be fair, was good at this point of his career) is among your better cast members...yeah, there's a reason this season is hated among SNL fans); Al Franken had been picked by Lorne Michaels to take over for him after he left, but Franken so pissed off then-NBC head Fred Silverman with his "Limo for the Lame-O" skit that Doumanian was selected for season 6 instead. To be fair to Doumanian, she was picked with only a short time to put together a season 6, but she made some mistakes in the process (to put it mildly); SNL being canceled after this season is another interesting WI in and of itself...
(2) Reubens wasn't the only cast member she passed on--she also passed on Jim Carrey (for Rocket) and John Goodman (for Joe Piscopo). In addition, she didn't want Eddie Murphy, and only auditioned him after other production members strongly recommended she do so...
 
Interesting note: Paul Reubens tried out for Season 6 of Saturday Night Live after the original SNL cast finally left following season 5. However, Jean Doumanian (the then-executive producer of SNL--she only lasted for that season, and was fired before the end of it (1)) passed on him (2); he came up with the Pee Wee Herman character on the plane ride back--talk about creating your own success. Paul Reubens being accepted for the season 6 cast of SNL is an interesting WI in and of itself...

(1) If you look up Season 6 SNL--yeah, Doumanian made a lot of mistakes and the cast she selected wasn't that good (except for Eddie Murphy and Joe Piscopo, of all people. When Joe Piscopo (who, to be fair, was good at this point of his career) is among your better cast members...yeah, there's a reason this season is hated among SNL fans); Al Franken had been picked by Lorne Michaels to take over for him after he left, but Franken so pissed off then-NBC head Fred Silverman with his "Limo for the Lame-O" skit that Doumanian was selected for season 6 instead. To be fair to Doumanian, she was picked with only a short time to put together a season 6, but she made some mistakes in the process (to put it mildly); SNL being canceled after this season is another interesting WI in and of itself...
(2) Reubens wasn't the only cast member she passed on--she also passed on Jim Carrey (for Rocket) and John Goodman (for Joe Piscopo). In addition, she didn't want Eddie Murphy, and only auditioned him after other production members strongly recommended she do so...
Murphy, carrey and goodman together? Talk about three different style of humour...they would've made an awesome trio!
 
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