Yeah in case it was unclear I'm fine with the current movement hitting the political world as well. I just had never actually heard that there was actual accusations against Bush (And the one I found was of one from 2017, so the link you provided was much appreciated) and it goes beyond even the ones you listed. Senators Thurmond and Inouye all have some allegations relating to their workplace behaviour, big names in the senate. So it'll definitely be interesting to see how that plays out.
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Re: Deadpoo... sorry, Deadpan and Ambush Bug:
When you look at comic book history, Marvel and DC have had a looong history of borrowing characters from each other - Cap is pretty much Marvel's Superman in many ways, in the sense that both are the leaders and moral centres of their universe's top-tier super-team, have blue and red as a primary colour and often clash with a more pragmatic teammate who fights using high-tech weaponry.
Iron Man and Batman overlap in quite a few respects - both are rich guys who lack superpowers and make up for that deficit with a genius-level intellect and advanced technology, have a dead parents' backstory and are a founding member of a prominent superhero team. Now, the big distinction is that Iron Man is, in general, a more global, and at times cosmic, player than Batman is, due to his powered armour and general focus on global business. Recursively, many modern takes on Batman's suit have been inspired by Iron Man's armour. Spider-Man is kind of Batmanny as well, to a lesser extent.
Thor is basically a male Wonder Woman, in that both have ties to a (significantly altered) real-world mythology, a manipulative magic user serving as a constant nemesis and a human love interest. In recent years, Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers has begun to take that role, as has She-Hulk - in the role of "hot, superpowered chick who could kick EVERYBODY's ass and look fine as hell whilst doing it."
Thanos is explicitly based on Darkseid - Jim Starlin has confirmed Darkseid as an inspiration for Thanos and I think some recent portrayals of Darkseid have taken cues from Thanos (not really a DC man here - could anybody clarify if this is the case. Hell, the original Deadpool was basically a ripoff of DC's Deathstroke.
So, hypothetically, Ambush Bug's popularity could mean that a Marvel character gets retooled to be an equivalent of him - Marvel also have a history of retooling characters who don't really hit the first time. sometimes quite radically. So, it's not really out of the question that Deadpan gets retooled to be a bit more similar to Ambush Bug...
(These are ideas for a peace treaty, @Geekhis Khan, in case they ever show up again - wouldn't want them arguing all through this timeline, now would we?)
When you look at comic book history, Marvel and DC have had a looong history of borrowing characters from each other - Cap is pretty much Marvel's Superman in many ways, in the sense that both are the leaders and moral centres of their universe's top-tier super-team, have blue and red as a primary colour and often clash with a more pragmatic teammate who fights using high-tech weaponry.
Iron Man and Batman overlap in quite a few respects - both are rich guys who lack superpowers and make up for that deficit with a genius-level intellect and advanced technology, have a dead parents' backstory and are a founding member of a prominent superhero team. Now, the big distinction is that Iron Man is, in general, a more global, and at times cosmic, player than Batman is, due to his powered armour and general focus on global business. Recursively, many modern takes on Batman's suit have been inspired by Iron Man's armour. Spider-Man is kind of Batmanny as well, to a lesser extent.
Thor is basically a male Wonder Woman, in that both have ties to a (significantly altered) real-world mythology, a manipulative magic user serving as a constant nemesis and a human love interest. In recent years, Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers has begun to take that role, as has She-Hulk - in the role of "hot, superpowered chick who could kick EVERYBODY's ass and look fine as hell whilst doing it."
Thanos is explicitly based on Darkseid - Jim Starlin has confirmed Darkseid as an inspiration for Thanos and I think some recent portrayals of Darkseid have taken cues from Thanos (not really a DC man here - could anybody clarify if this is the case. Hell, the original Deadpool was basically a ripoff of DC's Deathstroke.
So, hypothetically, Ambush Bug's popularity could mean that a Marvel character gets retooled to be an equivalent of him - Marvel also have a history of retooling characters who don't really hit the first time. sometimes quite radically. So, it's not really out of the question that Deadpan gets retooled to be a bit more similar to Ambush Bug...
(These are ideas for a peace treaty, @Geekhis Khan, in case they ever show up again - wouldn't want them arguing all through this timeline, now would we?)
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I think a Marvel version of Ambush Bug would be similar to Slapstick:
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Well no. Irwin Schwab is allegedly badass normal comedy superhero character created to be the butt monkey of his own series, with his own achievements always being The Greatest Story Never Told, if they aren't completely retconned out of continuity by the end of a given storyline. Then Warner Bros. bought Charlton and Keith Giffen and J. M. DeMathis turned the Ted Kord Blue Beetle into a slightly more serious version, the same way Elongated Man Ralph Dibney was used as a slightly more serious version of the Eel O'Brian Plastic Man from the beginning of the Bronze Age to Identity Crisis.
Steve Harmon, AKA the Awesome Slapstick, was at least treated with respect within his own title, at least when Komiski and Fry were the creative team, or the likes of Mark Waid and Pete Milligan were writing. It was always the guest stars in the book, like Spidey, Wolverine, Moon Knight, and the Punisher that ended up slipping on fresh banana peels, walking into rakes that weren't there a panel ago, getting facefulls of apple pies fresh from the oven, and being bitten by Skrulls (then) mind controlled into permeant canine states.
Marvel has no real equivalent to Ambush Bug, especially back during the Early Nineties, and only Spider-Man back early in the Lee-Ditko era came close, and not very close at that. Deadpool didn't start breaking the Fourth Wall until 1996 (long after Rob Liefeld's first run with the character had ended), and the Doreen Green Squirrel Girl had the exact opposite problem, being a satire of perfectly competent Mary Sue characters.
Steve Harmon, AKA the Awesome Slapstick, was at least treated with respect within his own title, at least when Komiski and Fry were the creative team, or the likes of Mark Waid and Pete Milligan were writing. It was always the guest stars in the book, like Spidey, Wolverine, Moon Knight, and the Punisher that ended up slipping on fresh banana peels, walking into rakes that weren't there a panel ago, getting facefulls of apple pies fresh from the oven, and being bitten by Skrulls (then) mind controlled into permeant canine states.
Marvel has no real equivalent to Ambush Bug, especially back during the Early Nineties, and only Spider-Man back early in the Lee-Ditko era came close, and not very close at that. Deadpool didn't start breaking the Fourth Wall until 1996 (long after Rob Liefeld's first run with the character had ended), and the Doreen Green Squirrel Girl had the exact opposite problem, being a satire of perfectly competent Mary Sue characters.
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No Deadpool? Shame, I like him.
I just hope if Gore wins we'll get earlier US green policies (Okay, I don't know if he was all this before An Inconvenient Truth).
Also, idea I just had: if Disney builds a Disneytown in Las Vegas... well they won't, but build a resort/casino mixed into it, kind of like the MGM Grand IOTL, hell maybe being it. Given its an ill-fated time of trying to make family destinations of Vegas in the early time, seems like a decent idea, and Jim did have an interest in Gambling.
Think about it: you could have sections themed around the Wild Wild West era, another around the atomic era of the Cold War, an finally one around Vegas itself (separate from the actual casino of course), like having a roulette carousel or teacup ride for instance and spoofs of variety shows. When they come to Vegas, maybe Cirque du Soleil could partner with them.
Course, a Disney Town/resort in Vegas wouldn't have the same troubles staff at other ones had of trying to deal with families when they were trained mostly for adults, so it should fare better.
I just hope if Gore wins we'll get earlier US green policies (Okay, I don't know if he was all this before An Inconvenient Truth).
Also, idea I just had: if Disney builds a Disneytown in Las Vegas... well they won't, but build a resort/casino mixed into it, kind of like the MGM Grand IOTL, hell maybe being it. Given its an ill-fated time of trying to make family destinations of Vegas in the early time, seems like a decent idea, and Jim did have an interest in Gambling.
Think about it: you could have sections themed around the Wild Wild West era, another around the atomic era of the Cold War, an finally one around Vegas itself (separate from the actual casino of course), like having a roulette carousel or teacup ride for instance and spoofs of variety shows. When they come to Vegas, maybe Cirque du Soleil could partner with them.
Course, a Disney Town/resort in Vegas wouldn't have the same troubles staff at other ones had of trying to deal with families when they were trained mostly for adults, so it should fare better.
Well plenty of politicians got into trouble with sex stuff before the Thomas hearings but the tone changed afterwards.
As for the mindset of these men, they were raised in a different time. I do not condone what they did but it was sort of viewed as how a man was allowed to act at the time. And while it doesn’t apply to all men, they come from an era where educational films like these were common place
There are other films, too but these were the safer ones to pick. And you can see the stuff they pumped out.
But if you’ve seen Mad Men you know what the era these senators and leaders acted like. But the seeds for change were there thanks to the war and even sooner. But it took time.
Not only that, but the mascot of a Vegas Disneytown could be someone like Scrooge McDuck or Richie Rich, both of whom are owned by the company. I think.
Why not both? Scrooge representing hard-won self-made-men finally getting out and playing with their money for once, and Richie as an affectionate satire of spoiled rich "playboys."
Thinking further, Aida could end up being the first Black Disney Princess. Though Amneris would be seen as a Jasmine clone ittl (at least with the OTL treatment). The current strategy of playing it safe though would probably push it to late 90s.
As for Vegas Disneytown, I think if they want something on the strip, either where the Pinball Museum is now, where the Gamesworks used to be between M&M world and the Coca Cola store, or slightly off strip at Vacation Village (Town Square now).
Not quite the first; the last politics post said this is why Clinton isn't running.
I was surprised too - I always thought ol' Deadpool was butterfly-proof, due to his Medium Awareness. However, @Ogrebear, I do think this "Deadpan" felllow becoming ITTL Deadpool makes sense when you look at comic book history.
Again, you're dealing with two companies who have a long history of borrowing characters from each other - I've already mentioned examples of this. So, hypothetically, Ambush Bug's popularity could mean that a Marvel character gets retooled to be an equivalent of him.
As to why this might be a pre-existing character (e.g. Deadpan), Marvel also have a history of, rather than sinking characters who didn't work the first time, handing them to a new writer to retool, sometimes quite extensively. And, of course, Deadpan's a blank slate - given that, by all accounts, he came and went, nobody's going to complain that he's retooled so drastically. If you look at the versions of Marvel characters we know now vs. their first appearances, they're often not very similar.
And, let's be honest here, "snarky, fourth-wall breaking assassin" is such a cool character description, I doubt anyone would not want to create one of those. Also, his frikkin' name would foreshadow this, as "deadpan" is a name for a kind of humour - delivering absurd statements with a straight face.
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Methinks Jeffrey Epstein is going to go down much earlier than OTL--assuming Prince Andrew first met him in the early 1990s, this combined with Diana's divorce from Charles will lead to nothing good for the Royal Family (I wonder what Diana would think of Andrew and Epstein--also, have her find out that Martin Bashir lied to her to get the BBC interview (1))...
(1) While Bashir did forge documents, let's be fair--Charles had done more than enough damage to their marriage on his own and, as I've said, they were two people who never should have married, IMO...
(1) While Bashir did forge documents, let's be fair--Charles had done more than enough damage to their marriage on his own and, as I've said, they were two people who never should have married, IMO...
True but the media will zero in on the president as no matter what going after a President post Watergate is great for newsmen and women,
I'm starting to think Gore has a real shot at winning this election, with Perot (and Turner!) backing him while Bush is forced to alienate some of his arch-conservative voters by picking up Kemp. Good luck to him, but we'll see if he actually wins the Presidency despite his youth.
Plus, the viability of a resort in Las Vegas is heavily dependent on whether Las Vegas starts to shift towards a more family-friendly tourist destination instead of being the "Sin City" that it is OTL. There hasn't been any butterflies that will make that a success, soooo we'll see if Disney is even going to look at Las Vegas as a possible location for even their DVC hotels.
To be honest, ITTL people might see this film as a Disney response to "The Prince of Egypt" with its similar setting, but it'd be distinct enough for it to stand out.
No, Disney won't do this, especially if they slapped a casino next to it. It's a PR disaster waiting to happen, especially for the arch-conservative folk that are already hating on Disney for their degeneracy.
Plus, the viability of a resort in Las Vegas is heavily dependent on whether Las Vegas starts to shift towards a more family-friendly tourist destination instead of being the "Sin City" that it is OTL. There hasn't been any butterflies that will make that a success, soooo we'll see if Disney is even going to look at Las Vegas as a possible location for even their DVC hotels.
I think Aida is a pretty good alternative to the Lion King and would be a fine addition to the Princess line, but yeah, it's likely to be pushed to the late 90s or even 2000s (in the same realm as Kingdom of the Sun/Treasure Planet). I can also see Amneris be a clone of Jasmine but maybe she could be a far more subdued/complex character than the bombastic ITTL Jasmine.
To be honest, ITTL people might see this film as a Disney response to "The Prince of Egypt" with its similar setting, but it'd be distinct enough for it to stand out.
Well you're in luck. The 90's and the early 2000's are prime Family Friendly Tourist Destination targeting by the hotels. Circus Circus got real success targeting to the family demographic and the other hotels followed suit with more Theme Hotels like Excalibur and Treasure Island. The Adventure Dome indoor amusement park is on track to open in 1993 with the planned MGM Grand Adventures to open in 1994.
Yes, Figment and the Dreamfinders was a very popular Star line in the 1980s. Fading a bit now with Figmentmania passing, but still a viable line.
And yes, either translations or new prints of Disney lines have appeared via Star in the US. Duck Duck Goof, The Rescuers, and Mickey in the City have Star lines.
It's a few years out, but I'll take a look.
The thinking was to balance the ticket. Recall Gore is even more Centrist in 1992 than he was in 2000 and is specifically running on a centrist ticket, so Tsongas was chosen to appease the progressives, ideally without alienating too many swing voters. Remember that nobody knows that Tsongas's cancer has returned yet, not even Tsongas.
Kemp was a reflection of Gore running a centrist platform, the GOP trying to directly appeal to the Suburban Swing Voters and "Reagan Democrats" that strategists fear could swing to Gore in large numbers, particularly after the "Read my lips" mistake and with a lingering recession. It was also feared that Quayle was alienating those crucial voters.
Note that it's still anyone's game in November. Current poles have Gore slightly up, but Bush still has the Incumbency Advantage and things are still pretty close to the margin of error. Buchannan is making things a challenge on the Right, which could cause trouble if it dampens rural voters, but the hope is that they'll still support him over Gore. Also plenty of time for the debates, "October surprises", and other events.
You could have the main baddie being an American either a man based off of CIA counterintelligence chief James Jesus Angleton or General Curtis Le May.
Also You could throw in Operations Northwoods as it gets reveal in 1992.
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All cool ideas. Feel free to continue discussion in PM.
Yea,
Ooh!! Ooh!! I would!! I would!!!
Oh, of course you would.
Ahem...still here!
No he's not.
Yes I am, dammit!
Mmmm...and just wait until they meet...moi!
Who the hell are you?
Sssspoilersss...leatherboy!
Well, so much for a normal TL going forward.
Shut up, bug!
He was an early proponent of battling climate change.
DTLV would be an interesting sell. There's no way the Disney Family or board would approve gambling. Yes, LV was expanding its market to families at this point, though gambling was/is still the heart of the business model, even at the more "family friendly" hotels. Perhaps a DT that's pretty far "off the strip" could work, but could face a lot of competition and have its financial hands tied behind its back compared to a place like Circus Circus bringing in millions in gambling cash on top of the family cash.
Recall that Turner sold the MGM Grand to Bally after buying MGM in whole from Kerkorian and then having to dismember it to avoid bankruptcy. It's now a Bally Casino.
Yes, they were raised in a different culture where such behavior and attitudes were considered "normal". I was raised in a world where homophobia, transphobia, rape culture, and anti-Asian racism were "normal" (see: every '80s movie) and we just accepted or even participated in it even as we laughed at how "racist" the old sexist and blackface stuff our parents grew up on was. At some point in their lives, every adult, particularly every man IMO, needs to figure out the difference between "what's normal" and "what's right" and make their choices accordingly.
You could say it was just a figment of the cultural consciousness 😎
Well, this just plays perfectly into my "Geekhis is just Gorebaiting us" crackpot conspiracy theory!
Tsonga will probably have to drop out at the last minute which will hurt Gore and make him look weak and unprepared.
My father always used to say that you can steal with your eyes and not your hands 😁
So failing that, Disney scraps the casino part and just does a pure resort, no outright gambling anywhere. How does that sound?
Exactly.
Also yeah, I too have wanted and toyed with presenting Geekhis an earlier Aida.
I haven't seen it at all TBH.
No he won't. It'll be years, just as it was IOTL, before anyone notices that he's sick again. If Gore wins Tsongas will undoubtedly have to drop out before the 1996 election (and in any case he died IOTL before a second term would have begun), but in 1992? No, he's not going to have to resign, at least not because of cancer.
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