All the more reason to get a proper light metro network - with only four heavy rail lines and a crappy streetcar, of course traffic's going to hurt.
A Hippie in the House of Mouse (Jim Henson at Disney, 1980)
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Well, look on the bright side: Atlanta might get decent public transit at this rate.
Now, Sid! Don't blame the movies, movies don't make psychos! Movies make psychos more creative!
Leadership can certainly make a difference. It's not the full story (the word is full of great leaders unable to inspire those with no craps to give) but it can make a major difference for sure. Jim's biggest impact in this respect was a) leading by example and b) promoting and retaining likeminded people. His intolerance for abusive managers also made a difference (He'd never have tolerated what happened to Wayne Brady iOTL).Okay, this TL really makes me love Disney for some reason, even though I'm actually super critical of them OTL. Funny how a change of leadership works out for the company , for I have truly become enamored by the Disney magic!
It's still a shame that Jim Henson doesn't host this show regularly, but Roy Disney is a great replacement, perhaps the only one out of the top execs made for the job. He is Roy's son and Walt's nephew, so the family legacy is important when it comes to him hosting. Plus, we got even more Disney relatives like Tim carrying the torch in the 2000s, so the show is likely to not fade away unlike OTL. Hopefully, it'll be on Disney Direct as one of their premier shows, maybe bringing light to new TV/film animation or even the inner workings of some new attraction.
Hat tip again. It was your idea an I loved it.
I've been thinking about Casper for exactly those reasons.
The historical stock price is pretty easy to dig up online, but finding the yearly expenses-revenues-profits from the '80s and '90s was a bit of a challenge, but they're out there. Basically, Disney is 2-3 years "ahead" of OTL in terms of stock value, thanks largely to Jim kickstarting the Disney Renaissance three years earlier and making The Disney Channel more successful earlier. The growth curve is about the same as OTL, just shifted 2-3 years, though the huge growth through the '80s has begun to plateau in 1990/91.
$13B in market cap (words whose meaning I didn't know before starting this TL!) seems pretty fair given the value of the parks and studios at the moment, including both that which is built and that which is under construction, so I'd say that Disney is "properly valued" at $13B.
Take your time, Bbone! We'll be here when you catch up.
Atlanta traffic will actually come up. Growing city = growing traffic, but it also = growing tax revenues, so depending on the political landscape light rail may be an option.
Of course even iTTL LA, NYC, and DC commuters are saying "cry me a river".
Q: When is the best time to drive in DC?
A: Never.
That quote was actually the other way around, always another psycho out there to inspire a movie. And movies inspire more creative psychos which inspire more movies in a lovely little feedback loop. Of course as the guy coming up with the ATL Psychos and terrorists and criminals I'm reminded of that opening quote from Castle: "Two types of people sit around coming up with creative ways to kill people. I'm the kind that pays better." Not that I'm getting paid for this TL, of course. Labor of love.
Yeah, same issue affects Toronto and its Construction season. I can empathise.
I'm not much of a transportation expert, but I love subway and metro trains, so I can't wait to see how an Atlanta Metro will... fare.
Also, just a small question for @Geekhis Khan : What's the fate of Walt Disney Animation Australia?
Walt Disney Animation Australia
Disney Animation Australia (DAA), also Disneytoon Studios Australia, was a Disney animation studio located in Sydney, Australia. In 1988, Taft-Hardie, an Australian joint-venture of Hanna-Barbera Productions who owned an animation studio in St. Leonards, Sydney, was purchased in a management...
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Now IOTL it was originally a Hanna Barbara studio up until 1988 before Taft sold it to someone else, and Disney took it over after the new owners weren't interested in animation. But here, CBS scooped up Hanna-Barbara and is now a Columbia-owned studio a year prior in 1987. So I ask what happened here? Given that most of its output were the DTV sequels that have been butterflied, I'm rather curious as to what's gone on in the last four years.
I wonder if we'll see an earlier version of Epic Mickey ITTL? Maybe more based on its darker earlier version.
I suspect that, if developments continued as per OTL, what was once Taft-Hardie Group would've become Columbia-Hardie Group or something of the sort, and then when the management buyout for the branch occured and the company was reorganized as Southern Star Group, Turner would just straight-up buy both the Sydney and Los Angeles divisions from them, with the Sydney division (and obviously the LA one) being incorporated into Hanna-Barbera directly once more and aiding in the production of some of the shows on CartoonTV (and mayhaps Turner rerunning the few live-action works the studio had made on CBS). Or, alternatively, Turner passed up on the Sydney division, encouraging Atlantic Communications Corporation to buy it up, meaning the animation division is now part of Time-Atlantic (maybe it's been split between TriStar Pictures Animation Studios and TriStar Television and became their Australian branches, or maybe just becoming TriStar Australia, assuming there aren't any companies called that there already).Also, just a small question for @Geekhis Khan : What's the fate of Walt Disney Animation Australia?
Walt Disney Animation Australia
Disney Animation Australia (DAA), also Disneytoon Studios Australia, was a Disney animation studio located in Sydney, Australia. In 1988, Taft-Hardie, an Australian joint-venture of Hanna-Barbera Productions who owned an animation studio in St. Leonards, Sydney, was purchased in a management...
Now IOTL it was originally a Hanna Barbara studio up until 1988 before Taft sold it to someone else, and Disney took it over after the new owners weren't interested in animation. But here, CBS scooped up Hanna-Barbara and is now a Columbia-owned studio a year prior in 1987. So I ask what happened here? Given that most of its output were the DTV sequels that have been butterflied, I'm rather curious as to what's gone on in the last four years.
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Reminds me of OTL's Adelaide Productions, formed in 1993 by Sony Pictures Television when Columbia was bought by Sony. I actually presume in the latter scenario you made, the Sydney studio and Adelaide would be under the same name.
Speaking of, I've been having an idea for a potential, wholly original series for the TL come the late 90's (well not really), but that's for another day.
Oh yeah, I agree that company leadership does make a huge difference in how the company functions. While I'm still a sucker for an "Eisner succeeds" scenario like a lot of people (including those who formerly worked for Disney, like Sam Carter), but damn, this timeline really shown me the way about how Henson could've changed everything for the company in a positive way. Aside from the changes in company culture and philosophy, perhaps in this TL, working for Disney (from an animator, cast member, or an Imagineer) is seen unanimously as a magical opportunity to work for the House of Mouse with Henson, Disney, and Wells all advocating for good pay and benefits of each employee?
Thank you, it's much appreciated.
Yeah, as an Angeleno, the public transportation system is notoriously bad, but I'm actually more terrified of what happens to Atlanta or Orlando since they might not even use the increased revenues from tax/tourism to invest in public transportation for the city. The fact that ITTL Atlanta might unseat us as the worst city to commute would be kinda funny, but obviously not great for the people living there.
So the historical stock price doesn't actually matter much since IDK how much stock was issued ITTL vs OTL.
The number I have for Disney's market cap in 2001 is 41Bn. Currently, it is at ~320Bn with an all-time high of ~360Bn
How many unused railways does Atlanta have? I'm naturally biased toward elevated rail, but failing that, light rail has to at least have its own separated ROW; bad things happen when you put it on the street with a lot of grade crossings through intersections.
On further reading, here's what they've got planned so far. Knowing almost nothing about Atlanta, it sounds like all TTL needs to do is simplify the purple and yellow lines, grade-separate everything but the green line, then TOD everything along and in-between all the train routes, and then they're in business.
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Disney-MGM Movies 1989-1990
Pictures Released by Walt Disney Studios, 1989-1990
| Release date | Title | Studio label | Co-production with |
| January 13, 1989 | Footlight Parade (re-release) | MGM | Columbia Pictures |
| February 3, 1989 | Gone with the Wind (re-release) | MGM | Columbia Pictures |
| February 17, 1989 | The Burbs | Hyperion Pictures | Imagine Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| March 2, 1989 | Bert Rigby, You're a Fool | Hyperion Pictures | As You Wish Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| March 9, 1989 | The Rescuers (re-release) [w/ Short Bianca’s Birthday Bash] | Walt Disney Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| April 21, 1989 | Tiny Titans | Walt Disney Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| May 5, 1989 | The Trouble with Trisha | Hyperion Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| May 19, 1989 | Back to the Future II | Fantasia Films | Amblin Entertainment and Silver Screen Partners III |
| June 2, 1989 | Ghostbusters II: Who You Gonna Call Now | Fantasia Films | Silver Screen Partners III |
| June 16, 1989 | Affairs of State | MGM | Silver Screen Partners III |
| July 14, 1989 | Best of Friends | Hyperion Pictures | As You Wish Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| July 28, 1989 | The Bear | Price Entertainment, Renn Productions | Distributed in the US by Buena Vista under the Walt Disney Pictures label |
| August 11, 1989 | Honey, I Shrunk the Kids! [w/ Short Roger Rabbit: Tummy Troubles!] | Walt Disney Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| August 25, 1989 | Kiki’s Delivery Service | Studio Ghibli | Distributed in the US by Buena Vista under the Fantasia Films label |
| September 8, 1989 | Peter Pan (re-release) | Walt Disney Pictures | |
| September 22, 1989 | Erik the Viking | Prominent Features, Svensk Filmindustri | Distributed in the US by Buena Vista under the Fantasia Films label |
| October 1, 1989 | Casablanca (re-release) | MGM | Columbia Pictures |
| October 20, 1989 | Beetlejuice | Fantasia Films | Geffen Films, Silver Screen Partners III |
| November 17, 1989 | The Jungle Book (re-release) | Walt Disney Pictures | |
| December 15, 1989 | The Song of Susan | MGM | Silver Screen Partners III |
| January 17, 1990 | The Wizard of Oz and Return to Oz (double feature re-release) | MGM/Fantasia Films | Columbia Pictures |
| February 2, 1990 | Fantasia (re-release) | Walt Disney Pictures | |
| February 23, 1990 | Where the Heart Is | Hyperion Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| March 9, 1990 | Joe Versus the Volcano | Hyperion Pictures | Amblin Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| March 16, 1990 | Oliver and the Dodger | Walt Disney Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| March 30, 1990 | Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles | Fantasia Films | Silver Screen Partners III |
| April 6, 1990 | Benji & Lassie [w/ Short Home Entertainment with Goofy] | Walt Disney Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| April 27, 1990 | Lord of the Flies | MGM | As You Wish Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| May 10, 1990 | Musicana | WED Signature | Silver Screen Partners III |
| May 25, 1990 | Back to the Future III | Fantasia Films | Amblin Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| June 13, 1990 | Betsy’s Wedding | Hyperion Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| June 27, 1990 | Maus | WED Signature | Amblin Entertainment, Brooksfilm, As You Wish Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| July 11, 1990 | The Land Before Time 2: Cera’s Troop [w/ Short: Rollercoaster Rabbit] | Fantasia Films | Amblin Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| July 25, 1990 | Gettin’ Hitched | Hyperion Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| August 10, 1990 | Mo Betta Blues | MGM | 40 Acres and a Mule Productions, Silver Screen Partners III |
| August 24, 1990 | Hooked! | MGM | Amblin Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| September 22, 1990 | Mr. Destiny | Fantasia Films | Silver Screen Partners III |
| October 12, 1990 | The Black Cauldron (re-release) | Walt Disney Pictures | |
| October 28, 1990 | Spaced Invaders | Fantasia Films | Silver Screen Partners III |
| November 16, 1990 | Mort [w/ Short Turtles All the Way Down] | Walt Disney Pictures | Silver Screen Partners III |
| December 1, 1990 | Misery | Fantasia Films | As You Wish Entertainment, Silver Screen Partners III |
| December 15, 1990 | Shadow Moon | MGM | Lucasfilm, LTD., Silver Screen Partners III |
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Since Bonfire of the Vanities became a hit instead of a flop in OTL, could Nothing But Trouble be a success?
8 are re-releases.
Shouldn't that be a re-release to?
Edit: 9 are re-releases.
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| October 1, 1989 | Casablanca (re-release) | MGM | Columbia Pictures |
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Yeah. THAT Misery,
Makes me wonder what other Stephen King works will be adapted ITTL, especially originals. I'd personally The Monkey.
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