I notice you didn’t give justifications for why TPM (or whatever title it gets ITTL) still gets released in 1999 (as opposed to say, 1997/1998 which would be the 10th anniversary of ANH/15th anniversary of LOTJ) despite the distance into the timeline :-D…
Probably because I never said that The Phantom Menace or anything like it releases in 1999. I'm rather curious why that's stuck in your head, because to my knowledge I've never even said whether there would be SW Prequels ITTL.
 
Probably because I never said that The Phantom Menace or anything like it releases in 1999. I'm rather curious why that's stuck in your head, because to my knowledge I've never even said whether there would be SW Prequels ITTL.
I think you might have mentioned an upcoming 'SW Episode One' as the framing device for the review of Legacy of the Jedi, but that was so far back in the TL that it could probably be easily retconned without too much difficulty if Prequels aren't on the table.

And tbf Lucasfilm does have more successful non-Star Wars franchises ITTL so George might not feel as trapped by SW as he did OTL and thus have less incentive to get something out (which would be a massive change in and in of itself)
 
I think you might have mentioned an upcoming 'SW Episode One' as the framing device for the review of Legacy of the Jedi, but that was so far back in the TL that it could probably be easily retconned without too much difficulty if Prequels aren't on the table.

And tbf Lucasfilm does have more successful non-Star Wars franchises ITTL so George might not feel as trapped by SW as he did OTL and thus have less incentive to get something out (which would be a massive change in and in of itself)
Good catch. I wrote that one long before I'd put much thought into things and totally forgot about those passing lines. I literally threw that post together the day before I posted it and hadn't thought things out yet. Retconned.
 
Okay, if Orion now owns Terminator outright, and they still own Robocop, then that means a Robocop Versus The Terminator film happening ITTL is extremely likely.
 
Honestly, I think Star Wars prequels (and sequels) are far more likely eventually than not. It was a proven box office draw and the supposed 9-movie plan was well-known by at least the mid-1980s, so there was definitely a kind of expectation or hope that there would be more episodes eventually. If Lucas dies at any point, sells the film rights for any reason, or just needs money, more Star Wars is pretty likely. Of course, these movies are not likely to look anything like the ones IOTL except perhaps in broad strokes.
 
Okay, if Orion now owns Terminator outright, and they still own Robocop, then that means a Robocop Versus The Terminator film happening ITTL is extremely likely.
Well Robocop wasn't that much of a success in this TL, so unlikely. Maybe a comic at most or a game like IOTL.
Orion Acquires Struggling Hemdale in Cash-and-Debt Deal
The Hollywood Reporter, April 12th, 1990


Hollywood – Today Orion Pictures head Mario Kassar announced the acquisition of the struggling Hemdale Film Corporation for $150 million and the assumption of a reported $110 million in debt. Hemdale, the company behind such films as Terminator, The Last Emperor, and Platoon and a frequent Orion partner, has been mired in debt and struggling to stay solvent. The deal brings to Orion the full Hemdale film library, valued at $200-250 million, including the remaining 50% of the rights to the Terminator, resolving an ongoing production rights dispute over the franchise with Orion, who gained the remaining rights with the earlier merger with Carolco. This deal opens up the production of a long-planned Terminator sequel with director James Cameron and actor Arnold Schwarzenegger both eager to go into production. Some speculate that the Terminator rights were the inciting incident for the buy to begin with[2]. Analysts expect that Orion will liquidate redundant assets and sell off unwanted IP to reduce debt, but keep the studio space and production assets in part of an ongoing expansion for the studio. Projected returns for… Cont’d on Pg. 22.
Hmm, this is quite a development. I wonder what IPs those include, and if at least one will become more prominent ITTL.
 
Well Robocop wasn't that much of a success in this TL, so unlikely. Maybe a comic at most or a game like IOTL.

Hmm, this is quite a development. I wonder what IPs those include, and if at least one will become more prominent ITTL.

*Checks Hemdale movies*

Maybe some Hoosiers movies? Return of the Living Dead seems more viable in the regard.

Miracle Mile II seems unlikely. While excellent, there isn't exactly room for a follow-up.
 
There's always y'know, original movies for this TL.

Of course. And Miracle Mile II was a joke on my part because at the end of Miracle Mile everyone dies in a nuclear war. I was just answering the question raised and Return of the Living Dead seems the most likely IP to get some boost going in the 90s rather than the IOTL movies that, from what I understand, are quite bad. I haven't seen any of them, so I can't really say.

Looking at the movies that Hemdale had cooking right around this acquisition there seem to be some arthouse type pictures that Orion could take credit for and perhaps even churn out some of the same buzz that led to Platoon and The Last Emperor, other Hemdale movies, getting their Oscars. Roger Ebert seemed to like them anyway.
 
Oddly enough, perhaps the part which makes me most envious here is that ST in this show not only got to do a war storyline like DS9 ended up being, but that with every other aspect (like ultimately pulling a Decon Recon Switch on how this impacts the tone, probably averting the Tough Act to Follow of the latter show IOTL) we get a storytelling thread I’m increasingly loving: depicting the aftermath of a massive conflict and how the world is rebuilt, specifically within the original story and not some other media continuation(s). I cannot stress this enough; much as I love getting a big climax to the conflict at the end, I love all the more when the story opts (for whatever reason, perhaps even a Post Script Season) to show that post-war difficulty and adjusting to the changed (for both worse and better) world… it makes me hunger all the more for this within the media I consume, be it literature, live action [tv/film], animation, or even video games (and no, the “big” conflict ending doesn’t mean “no conflict”; look at Suikoden II for an example of a game story that defeats the Big Bad around 2/3-3/4 of the way through, yet still makes a more personal and viscerally-satisfying climactic conclusion in that last stretch!)
I also appreciate this kind of alt Star Trek exploring the aftermath of a huge war like this. There's lots of opportunities to vastly expand the worldbuilding of Star Trek that might not even be possible OTL with the lack of follow up from DS9's Dominion War arc. I'm sure that Trekkies will find it very surprising that instead of exploring strange new worlds in the frontiers of Federation space, it's within Federation space or in the Klingon Empire/Romulan Star Empire, and the like. Of course, I think once the sequel series ties everything up and the UFP returns to normal, they'll return to something similar to the standard format (like with alt Voyager), but it's an interesting reprieve that gives writers a lot of potential for new stories within the world of Star Trek.

Again, promising; also leaves things open for a more successful franchise later, as opposed to the life support it got put on in our 2000s (thanks to both the “not-actually-tenth-because-Galaxy Quest” movie, but also ENT with their completely-rubbish attempt at a Fully Absorbed Finale!)
Spacing TV shows and movies in a timely manner could avoid the huge franchise fatigue that doomed the TNG-era of Star Trek, which is ostensibly a good thing.

And tbf Lucasfilm does have more successful non-Star Wars franchises ITTL so George might not feel as trapped by SW as he did OTL and thus have less incentive to get something out (which would be a massive change in and in of itself)
Honestly, I think Star Wars prequels (and sequels) are far more likely eventually than not. It was a proven box office draw and the supposed 9-movie plan was well-known by at least the mid-1980s, so there was definitely a kind of expectation or hope that there would be more episodes eventually. If Lucas dies at any point, sells the film rights for any reason, or just needs money, more Star Wars is pretty likely. Of course, these movies are not likely to look anything like the ones IOTL except perhaps in broad strokes.
I was genuinely surprised that Geekhis retconned the confirmed release of the Prequels since the year was the same as OTL and gave a lot of leeway towards how the Prequels could've looked like. A shame, but I understand his reasoning.

As for the viability of the Prequels, it's actually likely that George Lucas might not be interested in making the Prequels or the Sequels, not only because of Willow, but because of other film franchises like Dinotopia if he ever decided to adapt it. At that point, he's simply too distracted to write such a massive story, and considering his desire for creative control, he's not going to try and lease it out to other writers so easily, even if it meant Star Wars stagnates. He's not a man beholden to Star Wars unlike OTL.

Honestly, if you REALLY wanted to kill Star Wars, you could just butterfly the EU, here and now. Remove Dark Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy (along with the possibility of new SW material) and it's very likely the revitalization of the franchise will be halted and it remains dormant. The franchise dies a very slow, painful death as people move on to franchises like Ringworld, Star Trek, Babylon 5, or even anime like Gundam or Evangelion once those arrive in the states. The OT is still the OT and people will still remember it fondly, but Star Wars wouldn't be the media juggernaut it is now if George Lucas and Lucasfilm don't care about the franchise anymore.

However, I find it to be highly unrealistic, if only because the OT was such a huge cash cow that Lucasfilm might be interested in releasing new material anyways and I don't think George Lucas would reject the stories that Tom Veitch and Timothy Zahn came up with. In that case, I honestly think George Lucas should just give up trying to make stories for himself and leave Star Wars entirely to Lucasfilm and the EU if he's distracted by multiple franchises. That includes the Prequels.

Also, I'd find it to be insanely ironic if Marvel got to release all of the SW EU comics like Dark Empire or Disney Publishing through the Thrawn Trilogy. In that case, fans would praise Disney for saving Star Wars instead of destroying it OTL with the Sequel Trilogy and the removal of the EU.
 
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Or maybe Star Wars goes animation instead of live action for the Prequels/Sequels?

Could certainly tell a wide, sweeping EPIC with animation, and given the influence here could we see a Japanese animation house invovled for a slightly 'exotic' look?

Though the allure of live action is always there, animation is probably easier for Lucas/Lucasfilm to tell their 'vision' into??
 
Or maybe Star Wars goes animation instead of live action for the Prequels/Sequels?

Could certainly tell a wide, sweeping EPIC with animation, and given the influence here could we see a Japanese animation house invovled for a slightly 'exotic' look?

Though the allure of live action is always there, animation is probably easier for Lucas/Lucasfilm to tell their 'vision' into??
I doubt this will happen, as Lucasfilm would maintain live action to retain visual consistency with the OT, regardless of animation's elevated status and prestige. Plus, with film technology and CGI accelerating faster ITTL, I don't see a reason why Lucasfilm can't tell a sweeping epic in live action when it's even easier to do so in the 90s or 00s. It'll be expensive, but there's confidence in its success if Star Wars receives a similar resurgence in interest with the EU.

Although, animation, both television and film, is bound to be in some Star Wars work. Even anime is possible like an earlier Star Wars Visions with the way Japanese media is permeating through Western audiences.

I personally imagine that something like an Old Republic story would be adapted into an anime/cartoon like the Tales of the Jedi stories.
 
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The MMO seems like a good place to start for a KOTOR franchise. Have a Jedi kid fleeing the Siege of Coruscant and raised on Tython, and a Sith kid taken from slavery to be trained on Korriban - the trilogy/series follows them as they grow up to be rivals, grudging allies, potentially lovers.
 
Probably because I never said that The Phantom Menace or anything like it releases in 1999. I'm rather curious why that's stuck in your head, because to my knowledge I've never even said whether there would be SW Prequels ITTL.
I think you might have mentioned an upcoming 'SW Episode One' as the framing device for the review of Legacy of the Jedi, but that was so far back in the TL that it could probably be easily retconned without too much difficulty if Prequels aren't on the table.

And tbf Lucasfilm does have more successful non-Star Wars franchises ITTL so George might not feel as trapped by SW as he did OTL and thus have less incentive to get something out (which would be a massive change in and in of itself)
Yes, this exactly; it all stuck in my head, and until now you didn’t say anything about it no longer being the case. But good to know either way.
I also appreciate this kind of alt Star Trek exploring the aftermath of a huge war like this. There's lots of opportunities to vastly expand the worldbuilding of Star Trek that might not even be possible OTL with the lack of follow up from DS9's Dominion War arc. I'm sure that Trekkies will find it very surprising that instead of exploring strange new worlds in the frontiers of Federation space, it's within Federation space or in the Klingon Empire/Romulan Star Empire, and the like. Of course, I think once the sequel series ties everything up and the UFP returns to normal, they'll return to something similar to the standard format (like with alt Voyager), but it's an interesting reprieve that gives writers a lot of potential for new stories within the world of Star Trek.
My thoughts too. This definitely would breath a new life into the franchise by giving the Federation a newer goal after the Borg war ends; while TNG might essentially wrap the post-war elements it doesn’t mean we can’t get some material for the sequel series to build off further. What makes this even better is they might have thought Season 7 would be the last (like IOTL), only to get renewed further and letting them have a Coda to everything they had built up with the then-current cast.

Thinking about it more, while the Dominion War arc helped DS9 stand apart and distinguish itself from the rest of the franchise, it also became a noose around Trek’s proverbial neck. Putting into perspective the fact we got reboots (the Kelvin timeline) and then another prequel-then-sequel (Discovery), then after THAT we got a sequel that dealt with established fallout from the “reboot” (Picard)… Stew on that for a little while.
Spacing TV shows and movies in a timely manner could avoid the huge franchise fatigue that doomed the TNG-era of Star Trek, which is ostensibly a good thing.
Agreed. Of course, we still don’t know the shape of STVI yet, let alone if Dropped A Bridge On Him becomes a trope ITTL. Fingers crossed.
I was genuinely surprised that Geekhis retconned the confirmed release of the Prequels since the year was the same as OTL and gave a lot of leeway towards how the Prequels could've looked like. A shame, but I understand his reasoning.

As for the viability of the Prequels, it's actually likely that George Lucas might not be interested in making the Prequels or the Sequels, not only because of Willow, but because of other film franchises like Dinotopia if he ever decided to adapt it. At that point, he's simply too distracted to write such a massive story, and considering his desire for creative control, he's not going to try and lease it out to other writers so easily, even if it meant Star Wars stagnates. He's not a man beholden to Star Wars unlike OTL.

Honestly, if you REALLY wanted to kill Star Wars, you could just butterfly the EU, here and now. Remove Dark Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy (along with the possibility of new SW material) and it's very likely the revitalization of the franchise will be halted and it remains dormant. The franchise dies a very slow, painful death as people move on to franchises like Ringworld, Star Trek, Babylon 5, or even anime like Gundam or Evangelion once those arrive in the states. The OT is still the OT and people will still remember it fondly, but Star Wars wouldn't be the media juggernaut it is now if George Lucas and Lucasfilm don't care about the franchise anymore.

However, I find it to be highly unrealistic, if only because the OT was such a huge cash cow that Lucasfilm might be interested in releasing new material anyways and I don't think George Lucas would reject the stories that Tom Veitch and Timothy Zahn came up with. In that case, I honestly think George Lucas should just give up trying to make stories for himself and leave Star Wars entirely to Lucasfilm and the EU if he's distracted by multiple franchises. That includes the Prequels.

Also, I'd find it to be insanely ironic if Marvel got to release all of the SW EU comics like Dark Empire or Disney Publishing through the Thrawn Trilogy. In that case, fans would praise Disney for saving Star Wars instead of destroying it OTL with the Sequel Trilogy and the removal of the EU.
Put more simply, regardless of whether George L. makes the PT in any way, this TL lets him get a creative boost and everything THAT implies. Which can only be a good thing.
 
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