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Animator's Perspective V: Soft Pitch Fridays
Chapter 6: Soft Pitch Fridays
Post from the Riding with the Mouse Net-log by animator Terrell Little.


So, remember how Steve Hulett and I got in trouble for pitching an idea straight to Jim Henson? Well, we weren’t the only ones. Jim got in trouble for it too. The middle management were furious. They went to Tom Wilhite, and Tom went to Ron Miller. Memos came out reminding everyone what the proper avenues were for advancing your ideas.

Well, I can’t say for sure, but Jim must not have liked that. Perhaps he pushed back. Other than the crazy “boardroom” Muppet show at Card Walker’s retirement, I had no idea what happened inside the Halls of the Mighty. But he must have pushed back because in May of 1983 Ron Miller announced the beginning of what they were calling “Soft Pitch Fridays”. On the last Friday of the month, every month, creative artists would get the opportunity to make quick, 15-minute presentations to a team of 3 lead creative artists (current or former), managers, producers, and executives[1]. It was a chance to bypass the usual bureaucratic roadblocks and pitch straight to the Big Boys. If you made the cut, you got the chance to make a longer, formal “Hard Pitch” later on.

Steve and I were excited. Here was another chance! We agreed to team up on whatever came next. First pitch: Boudreaux’s Kitchen the series, intended for the Disney Channel or Saturday Morning Cartoons, whatever they saw as best.

We were rejected, hard.

You see, Soft Pitch was a luck-of-the-draw thing. Some days you got someone like Ron or Jim, who tended to like the more out-of-the-box stuff, but some days you got Card or Donn, who most assuredly did not. And we got Card, Woolie, and Ted Berman. Boudreaux was too “exotic” for them. The Short had gotten some positive mail after it broadcasted, but not enough, and not from the “right demographics”, apparently. It’d play in Pensacola, but not in Peoria.

I tried not to take it as something racial.

Steve and I tried again the next month, this time with Steve’s idea: The Three Musketeers, only with Mickey, Goofy, and Donald[2]. This time we got Ron Miller, Bernie Brillstein, and Tom Wilhite. They liked it. We got to second base!

But we got rejected at the Hard Pitch. This time it was the whole Executive Committee plus all of the Big Names in the animation department. Steve led the presentation (it was his idea), but he was super-nervous and kind of sputtered through it. Jim and Ron seemed to like the idea, but Card and Donn were both a hard “no”. That said, we did get some kind words from the committee. We were encouraged by Jim and Tom and Glen to try again another time. Steve and I toasted our near-miss that evening, but unbeknownst to us, it wasn’t the end of the project.

Other animators had better luck. Weird Tim Burton, clearly the company’s rising star by this point, got greenlit for a Short project in addition to his central role on The Black Cauldron: a stop-motion Short called The Nightmare Before Christmas, narrated by Vincent Price[3]. Despite some hesitance from the Big Wigs, Jim stood up for it and it appeared on the World of Magic 1983 Halloween Special, where it proved so popular that it got rerun on the Christmas Special that same year. It earned Burton his second Emmy nomination.

The grand slam king of Soft Pitch Friday, however, would be John Lasseter. He came prepared, with a 1-minute computer-assisted animation sequence featuring Max from Maurice Sendak’s Where the Wild Things Are[4]. He also got lucky: Jim Henson was part of the panel that day and Jim, it turned out, was practically obsessed with the book and had been trying to do a Muppet version for over a decade.


John went in looking to do a Short that covered the events of the book. He got that…and also got an option for a feature-length animated film of the same subject, assuming the Short did well, which, naturally, it did, stealing the 1983 Best Short Form Emmy from Tim that year. Where the Wild Things Are the animated feature, directed by John Lasseter and Glen Keane[5], would go into production the second that we were finished with The Black Cauldron.

The lucky bastards!



[1] Michael Eisner and Jeff Katzenberg developed a similar but much more informal idea once they took over in 1984 in our timeline. They called it a “Gong Show.” Animators or other artists called out ideas (“The Little Mermaid”) and Eisner would say “Gong” if he didn’t like it or give it a shot if he did. Jeff Katzenberg’s idea (“Oliver Twist with Dogs”) got the green light, but “The Little Mermaid” did not, at least at first.

[2] Hulett came up with this same idea in 1983 in our timeline. It went into pre-production, but was ultimately passed over. It was resurrected later as 2004’s Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers.

[3] Burton pitched this idea in 1983 in our timeline, but was shot down. Eventually, of course, it became a classic feature film. In 1984 Burton pitched and somehow (given its subject matter) got greenlit for the live action short Frankenweenie. When the execs saw the Short, they were appalled and he was fired from Disney shortly thereafter. The silver lining for him was that others in Hollywood recognized its genius and he soon got chosen to direct Pee Wee’s Big Adventure (1985), the movie that launched his highly successful career. Here, Jim Henson, who had a growing love for the macabre and a personal friendship with Vincent Price (you seriously need to see the Vincent Price episode of The Muppet Show!), and who also loves any bad puns, is an enthusiastic fan. On a tangentially related note, Burton and Jerry Rees are quite busy (and quite happy) working on Cauldron in the early 1980s (teaser!) and thus did not have the time nor feel the need to produce the surreal Luau (1982), which is butterflied in this timeline.

[4] Completed in our timeline too, but went nowhere. It’s in my opinion a generation ahead of its time with its use of computer graphics and computer-assisted framing. Jim Henson’s love for the book and his longstanding desire to secure the rights were true in our timeline too.

[5] The son of Bil Keane of Family Circus fame. That kid Billy who was the “troublemaker” (relatively speaking) running around the neighborhood? That’s Glen!
 
That Three Musketeers idea sounds like fun.

Nice Burton is doing well, but Lasserter’s Where the Wild Things are seems fantastic!

More please!
 
Good update--at least Burton and Lasseter are both doing well...

Speaking of fans of the macabre, guess who was a fan of the original Night of the Living Dead? Mr. Rogers, of all people (yes, that Mr. Rogers); it's no surprise after you learn that the director, George A. Romero, got his start on Mr. Rogers' show...
 
You see, Soft Pitch was a luck-of-the-draw thing. Some days you got someone like Ron or Jim, who tended to like the more out-of-the-box stuff, but some days you got Card or Donn, who most assuredly did not. And we got Card, Woolie, and Ted Berman. Boudreaux was too “exotic” for them. The Short had gotten some positive mail after it broadcasted, but not enough, and not from the “right demographics”, apparently. It’d play in Pensacola, but not in Peoria.
I can now imagine some in this timeline creating an AH timeline where the point of divergence is that Card either dies or leaves earlier before Jim arrives on the scene at Disney, where among other things, Boudreaux does get made.

Also, i'm curious to see what comes of ABC down the line.
 
That Three Musketeers idea sounds like fun.

Nice Burton is doing well, but Lasserter’s Where the Wild Things are seems fantastic!

More please!

More on the way, with Lasseter, Burton, and the Three M'eers alike.

Good update--at least Burton and Lasseter are both doing well...

Speaking of fans of the macabre, guess who was a fan of the original Night of the Living Dead? Mr. Rogers, of all people (yes, that Mr. Rogers); it's no surprise after you learn that the director, George A. Romero, got his start on Mr. Rogers' show...

Did not know that, but given the deeper meanings to NotLD (e.g. human nature, subtle satire on commercialism) I'm not surprised.

I can now imagine some in this timeline creating an AH timeline where the point of divergence is that Card either dies or leaves earlier before Jim arrives on the scene at Disney, where among other things, Boudreaux does get made.

Also, i'm curious to see what comes of ABC down the line.

Removing Card would give Jim more leeway, but it's not just Card. He is symptomatic of a larger management culture and removing him doesn't change everything instantly.

ABC will come up for sure.
 
For some reason, after watching that Where the Wild Things Are clip (great use of digital framing) and hearing Henson wanted to try making an adaptation with puppets, I got the idea for a hybrid. You start in an animated "real world" (as demonstrated by the short) but when you travel to the dream world where the Wild Things live it's filmed with puppets on a combination of sets and green screens so the whole thing feels like the hyper-real-surrealism of a child's dream, with puppet monsters (and child, whose wolf suit lends itself nicely to puppetry) dancing among paper trees and under quilted skies (all echoes of the things in Max's room). Digital framing is used throughout: first in the animated "real world" but then also in the puppeted "dream world" where it's used to program camera rigs like they did for Star Wars, merely taken to the next level. Not sure if you'd still animate Max's face on the puppet (a puppet with a green screen face would be rather freaky to see in person) or if he'd imagine himself to have a wolfy face in the dream (maybe he has a mask that becomes his puppet's face).
I had to listen to a reading of the book to remind myself of what happens in it (not much, it's a very short story) and was struck that what brings Max back from the Land of the Wild Things was the smell of home (specifically his dinner), a sense that can't be replicated on film and is rarely experienced in dreams (if what I read was correct). Experiencing a world 'more real than real' but entirely missing a key sense, and one so closely tied to memory and being able to tell if something is real, is such a neat angle to put in a film.
I had also forgotten that when Max tries to leave the Wild Things turn on him, which is your third act climax right there.
 
Well, I predict that it will be a little less cutesy than Spike Jonez's opus. Speaking of children's books, might we be seeing, say, a sitcom based on the collective continuity of the fiction of James Marshall, especially the Miss Neslon and The Stupids books? Or is that too soon?
 
Marty Sklar II: Imagineering Layoffs
Chapter 23: Struggling for Survival
Excerpt from: From a Figment to a Reality: The Imagineering Method! by Marty Sklar


Sometimes the worst place to be is on top. It’s where everyone can best see you…and take aim. And there’s nowhere else to go but down.

And by May of 1983 WED was on top of Spaceship Earth. We’d not only completed EPCOT on time and redefined what a Disney park could be, but we’d helped open Disneyland Japan, our first international park. But us “old timers” were worried, because with the two big projects completed, those of us who remember the completion of Disneyland in ’55 and the Magic Kingdom in ’71 knew what came next: the “Christmas Bonus”, or the big round of layoffs that inevitably seemed to come in December. Despite the fact that at the time the parks represented about 60-70% of company revenues, Ron Miller had the studios in his mind and was open to Card Walker’s suggestion that Imagineering be gutted.

Dick Nunis was, of course, encouraging this course of events. He wanted to absorb WED into Outdoor Entertainment. There was the belief that Studio people could fill in any gaps at WED as needed. And no offense to my friends in the studios, but no, they can’t.

[…]​

Card blamed us as WED for the cost overruns on EPCOT rather than blame the budget analysts who underestimated the costs or the fact that leadership was asking for everything to be done “fast, cheap, and perfect” (in general, you can have two of the three, but not all three at the same time). Walt knew this, and gave us all the resources we needed to get it done fast but perfect, which gave his brother Roy, who handled the finances, an ulcer. But the current management had forgotten this. When building a park in a swamp proved a significant engineering challenge, something that was well established with the Magic Kingdom just 11 years earlier, that meant that you had to sacrifice either time or money (or both!) to make it happen. Sacrificing quality was, of course, not on the table for anyone.

[…]​

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MaPo Logo (Image source “passport2dreams.blogspot.com”)

The Imagineers who were the most scared of the impending layoffs were the Imagineers at the MaPo mechanical department, created in ’65 from the revenues earned after Mary Poppins debuted, who handled the majority of the audio-animatronics. Without new rides and attractions going in, what were they going to do? They felt like the old horse in Animal Farm who’d worked himself to death and was “rewarded” by being sold for glue.

But we had a White Knight in a high place: Jim Henson. He fought for us. He pointed out all of the work needed in expanding EPCOT and the World Showcase. He and we had several new rides and attractions that we felt were needed to keep things fresh. For example, the success of Figment gave us an idea involving Barker Bird Juan, who roosted outside the Enchanted Tiki Room to lure guests inside. The popularity of the bird himself caused a problem with guests lining up to talk to Juan, causing crowds that blocked the road. Jim and John Hench thought we could do with Juan what we did with Figment, a walkaround audio-animatronic to advertise the attraction and related attractions in Adventureland[1]. This one came with a small camera and a microphone hidden in the chest, so the performer could sit in a central location and control Juan remotely. Jim also had ideas for new rides, a Dark Crystal dark water ride for Disneyland Japan in particular.
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Poly Wanna’ Mingle (Image source “icollector.com”)

Jim also wanted more thrill rides and more grown up attractions. He said to us “I gave John and Heather some free passes to Disneyland and they told me ‘dad, Disneyland’s for kids!’ Can we do some more exciting things for the teens?[2]” We started to draw more thrilling attractions. Jim also knew that our expertise could be used in other areas, in particular Special Effects and Set Design. Jim had made heavy use of waldo-controlled Animatronics in The Dark Crystal and he foresaw a growing use for them in movie effects. Why not use the Imagineers in the studios? Why not put MaPo to work designing and building Animatronic effects figures with the Creature Shop? Why not put all the designers and architects to work designing sets?

At Imagineering we were all for it. Imagineers have a visceral aversion to saying “that’s not my job”. Heck, Walt was notorious for grabbing someone with experience in one area and throwing them onto a completely different task way outside of their comfort zone, such as when he had artist X. Atencio do the dialog for Pirates of the Caribbean or when he made me, a speech writer, into an Imagineer. At WED we’d taken ownership of that “be ready to do anything” mindset. No, you were not the “wiring guy” or the “costuming girl”, you were an Imagineer and if there was a job to do then you figured it out, learning curve be damned. Lots of Imagineers had done studio-side stuff before. Every one of us wanted to design a “Creature” for a movie. Just because we’d never wielded a waldo didn’t mean we wouldn’t figure it out eventually!

This, of course, made the studio effects guys fear for their jobs! Jim responded by implementing rotational assignments between the studios, animation, effects, WED, and even his own Creature Shop in an effort to push the “One Team Disney” mindset and expand the skill sets of all the employees. Jim also pushed to employ our many talented architects to designing and building new hotels, urged on no doubt by Stan Kinsey. Heck, Wing Chao had some brilliant designs for new hotels. But Card, still on the Executive Committee, wasn’t having it and steered the board against the idea of new hotels.

[…]​

It was all only the beginning of Jim’s plans, with far more outrageous ideas on the horizon, but the forces of inertia were too much even for Jim to overcome at the time. In the end, Jim went to the mat for us. While he didn’t fully prevent the layoffs, he did limit them to a reasonable level and push them back to February so the employees at least didn’t get a pink slip for Christmas.

We remembered that.





[1] Panama hat-tip to @Cataquack Warrior for this idea.

[2] Eisner had a similar experience with his son Breck, leading him to push for more teenage attractions.


PS: I have edited the Bibliography section to include a new source: The Imagineering Story, a Documentary on Disney+ (resistance was futile; we were finally assimilated).
 
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The teens are right through to prove for a more ‘full family experience’ there needs to be more for all levels of the family to do at the Parks, otherwise boredom will settle in for visitors, which leaves a negative impression.

Good Jim is batting for the skilled Imagineering team.

What’s the female representation like among the Creative teams at this point?
 
For a moment i though he was a realistic Jose Carioca..dunno why

It's the hat.

What’s the female representation like among the Creative teams at this point?

Imagineering was actually fairly well gender-integrated from the days of Walt since plenty of traditional "women's jobs" were represented, such as outfits and design and the like. Imagineering being what it is, the women quickly assumed other jobs as well. There are people like Alice Davis and Mary Blair who were critical to the design and development of many of the classic rides.
 
David Lazer IV: Hotel Blues
Chapter 12; Hotel Blues
Excerpt from Renegade Suit, the autobiography of David Lazer (with Jay O’Brian).


The Suit’s worst enemy is his own myopia. Like old men, old Suits tend to get more myopic the longer they stay around. The hardest thing for them to see becomes what’s right in front of them.

That was Disney with their parks. I loved EPCOT, don’t get me wrong, but other than Figment, the kids weren’t impressed and the adults were rather blasé about the whole “Perpetual World’s Fair” thing. The upcoming Horizons thing was looking cool, but even back then we all knew that it would soon be as “old fashioned” in its look at the future as Tomorrowland, which was mockingly called “Todayland” or even “Yesterdayland” by the Imagineers. Furthermore, even with the new park and new rides bringing in new visitors, Card and Dick [Nunis] were openly resistant to building more hotels to house them all. WDW still only had the two originals: the Polynesian and the Contemporary. Both hotels were at or near capacity all year long and other hotel chains were sweeping up the substantial excess just outside the gates. It was costing us money. As an Outside Suit, I could see this, not because I’m smarter than Dick (my wife insists I’m as dumb as a dick some days) but because I lacked that insider’s myopia.

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Disney Contemporary (T) and Polynesian (B) Resorts (Image source “disneyworld.disney.go.com”)

Take for example the time when Bill Marriott, Jr., and his CFO Gary Wilson came to visit in the early ‘80s. They proposed a partnership: they’d build and operate the hotels, and Disney would retain ownership and profits would be divided. Card dismissed this plan out of hand. Not only did Disney have a building contract with John Tishman (which they weren’t using at the time, mind you), but he expressed that “Disney’s not in the hotel business. It’s in the park business.” When Marriott asked him why this was, Card answered, “That’s the way we do things[1].”

No words a Suit can say are more foreboding and self-destructive than “that’s the way we do things” or “that’s the way things have always been done.” The great Khans of the plains likely said the same thing about horses and arrows in the 16th century when their neighbors were building firearms and cannons. Card honestly couldn’t see how having hotels and having parks were not mutually exclusive options, but complimentary assets.

Stan Kinsey saw it too. He wanted to raise ticket and parking prices, add more hotels, and even had a plan to reduce company overhead by 30%. He had the numbers to justify it. This kid was the future of Disney in my mind and a favorite of both Jim and Ron [Miller], but entrenched conservative forces were only giving him enough leash to strangle himself, the same as they were with Jim.

“We’ve got to get rid of [Card],” Stan confessed to me over drinks that evening.

He was right. Card had done Disney a great service over the years, but he’d been there too long. Corporate myopia had set in. He had to go, for the sake of the company he ran.

To steal a line about politicians from Mark Twain, executives and managers, like diapers, should be changed frequently, and for the same reason.

[…]​

We went to Jim with our ideas, but Jim remained reticent to lead any type of boardroom coup. As much as he agreed that Card and Donn [Tatum] were holding the company back, it wasn’t his style. Al [Gottesman] took me aside and told me that “things were afoot,” but wouldn’t yet specify what. He suggested that there may be a place for me in the coming “things”, but I had bad news for him: I was out.

It wasn’t my fight anymore. For all the great things I was accomplishing, my time at Disney was largely coming to an end. My arthritis had been getting worse and doctors didn’t know why. The hot, dry LA weather helped a bit there, but all the haze and smog was making my foggy-headedness worse[2]. By the summer I’d be back in the Hamptons, retired early, or so I thought at the time.

For Stan, Al, and Jim, however, things were about to get much more interesting in that Chinese “may you live in interesting times” sort of way. To this day I’m not sure whether I regret not being there for them, or appreciate that I got to sit that one out.


[1] All of this happened in our timeline in the same way, at least according to Disney War.

[2] I’m assuming Lyme disease here, as was the conclusion for his symptoms in Jim Henson: The Biography, so while the climate may hypothetically help with the arthritis-like symptoms, the smog, which can elicit immune response, could exacerbate the more neuro-autoimmune-like symptoms.
 
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