Same here. OTOH, this probably leads to Jerry Sandusky and Larry Nassar (for starters) getting exposed earlier than OTL, IMO...
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Problem would be that them trying to do so would make them vulnerable to larger counter-arguments, especially when this ordeal snowballs with actresses and actors accusing some of their fellow actors and directors into making them with such things and so on.
It would not be a backlash , but them shooting themselves in the foot, especially once the Catholic Church scandal comes out and then the adult actors point out and more people point out the obvious in this.
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When Kevin Spacey tried to divert attention from the accusations against him, he came out as gay--this made the LGBT community pissed, to put it mildly, since All Gays Are Pedophiles is one trope they really hate...
There was an episode of Different Strokes called "The Bicycle Man" where, after the family finds out that Arnold (Gary Coleman) and Dudley (Shavar Ross from Friday the 13th: A New Beginning) were preyed upon by the titular character (played by Gordon Jump--Mr. Carlson from WKRP In Cincinnati, of all people; talk about a very different role), Willis says that Mr. Horton (the character's name) must have been gay (a common assumption at that time--the episode was made in 1983). The detective talking to them immediately says that there's a big world of difference between gays and pedophiles which, for 1983, was pretty bold to make on TV. The episode also had the molester be someone Arnold and Dudley knew and considered a friend, who gradually manipulated them towards being molested, rather than what was depicted on TV at that time (and it showed the grooming process that goes on before the act)...
There was an episode of Different Strokes called "The Bicycle Man" where, after the family finds out that Arnold (Gary Coleman) and Dudley (Shavar Ross from Friday the 13th: A New Beginning) were preyed upon by the titular character (played by Gordon Jump--Mr. Carlson from WKRP In Cincinnati, of all people; talk about a very different role), Willis says that Mr. Horton (the character's name) must have been gay (a common assumption at that time--the episode was made in 1983). The detective talking to them immediately says that there's a big world of difference between gays and pedophiles which, for 1983, was pretty bold to make on TV. The episode also had the molester be someone Arnold and Dudley knew and considered a friend, who gradually manipulated them towards being molested, rather than what was depicted on TV at that time (and it showed the grooming process that goes on before the act)...
Yikes....yikes all around.
While the Soda Pop Club was busted and some of the perpetrators involved were caught, leading the passing of a child actor protections act, there really wasn't a happy ending. The harassment following their testimonies probably broke me the most, since they basically fell into a downward spiral that left both Corey Haim and Corey Feldman dead much earlier than OTL and Drew Barrymore in worse for wear.
I'll have to commend Geekhis for making this post but it left me with an emotional sucker punch in the worst way possible. Sometimes life just sucks.
Also it sucks for me to say this but an earlier Matthew Shepard could very well happen, but at least there would be growing support against bullying (especially towards LGBTQ people) and the queer community overall.
The 90s were already pretty visceral for its debates on gay rights and the LGBT community so ITTL might be even worse all around as a result of the butterflies.
While the Soda Pop Club was busted and some of the perpetrators involved were caught, leading the passing of a child actor protections act, there really wasn't a happy ending. The harassment following their testimonies probably broke me the most, since they basically fell into a downward spiral that left both Corey Haim and Corey Feldman dead much earlier than OTL and Drew Barrymore in worse for wear.
I'll have to commend Geekhis for making this post but it left me with an emotional sucker punch in the worst way possible. Sometimes life just sucks.
While LGBTQ hate crimes are probably worse now, as said in the post, I don't think this is going to lead to a huge reversal in gay rights or views towards the LGBT community in the long-term. Perhaps in the short-term we could see more anti-LGBT acts being passed as a result for the 90s, but American society is neither homogeneous or static. Movies like The Song of Susan have already garnered sympathy for gays suffering from HIV-AIDS and the overall AIDS epidemic while the Lost Boys documentary will most likely stress the fact that the perpetrators were pedophiles and try to fight back the All Gays Are Pedophiles trope.
Also it sucks for me to say this but an earlier Matthew Shepard could very well happen, but at least there would be growing support against bullying (especially towards LGBTQ people) and the queer community overall.
The 90s were already pretty visceral for its debates on gay rights and the LGBT community so ITTL might be even worse all around as a result of the butterflies.
I doubt the acts could be passed successfully due to some serious challenges and meanwhile, the Catholic Church scandal I believe is looming and if the LGTBQ folk sees themselves in trouble, they'll counter with whatever they have. And this also may not take into account that the movement have adults come out and attack their accusers .
The only good thing to come from the early deaths of the Coreys is that it prevents their careers from fall into obscurity.
To be fair The Song of Susan really doesn't garner sympathy for homosexuals with AIDS but rather heterosexuals with AIDS.
This post is the definition of a Wham Episode...
In the LGBT arena, Massachusetts banned anti-gay discrimination in all employment in 1989, and Connecticut and Hawaii followed in 1991 (1), and the states of Pennsylvania, California, New York, Ohio, New Mexico, Rhode Island, and Washington (Ohio would rescind that law in 1999--then-Ohio governor John Kasich let it expire in 2014) had already banned anti-gay discrimination in state employment, with Colorado, Minnesota, and New Jersey doing so in 1990 (Colorado--it would be expanded to all employment in 2007) and 1991 (Minnesota and New Jersey--it would be expanded to all employment in Minnesota in 1993 and New Jersey in 1992, respectively)...
(1) The first state to ban anti-gay discrimination in all employment was the Midwestern state of Wisconsin--in 1982. Wisconsin is a politically bipolar state, producing people like Tammy Baldwin (the first LGBT woman elected to the United States House and Senate, in 1999 and 2013, respectively), Robert La Follette, and Russ Feingold, and also being the state that gave us Joe McCarthy and Scott Walker (it should be noted that the mayor of Milwaukee in the 1950s, where Happy Days and Laverne and Shirley were set, was a Socialist, Frank Zeidler, which has given Milwaukee residents mixed feelings about how the shows portrayed Milwaukee)...
In the LGBT arena, Massachusetts banned anti-gay discrimination in all employment in 1989, and Connecticut and Hawaii followed in 1991 (1), and the states of Pennsylvania, California, New York, Ohio, New Mexico, Rhode Island, and Washington (Ohio would rescind that law in 1999--then-Ohio governor John Kasich let it expire in 2014) had already banned anti-gay discrimination in state employment, with Colorado, Minnesota, and New Jersey doing so in 1990 (Colorado--it would be expanded to all employment in 2007) and 1991 (Minnesota and New Jersey--it would be expanded to all employment in Minnesota in 1993 and New Jersey in 1992, respectively)...
(1) The first state to ban anti-gay discrimination in all employment was the Midwestern state of Wisconsin--in 1982. Wisconsin is a politically bipolar state, producing people like Tammy Baldwin (the first LGBT woman elected to the United States House and Senate, in 1999 and 2013, respectively), Robert La Follette, and Russ Feingold, and also being the state that gave us Joe McCarthy and Scott Walker (it should be noted that the mayor of Milwaukee in the 1950s, where Happy Days and Laverne and Shirley were set, was a Socialist, Frank Zeidler, which has given Milwaukee residents mixed feelings about how the shows portrayed Milwaukee)...
it all depends if critical mass is reached, after that it would get out of hand, and then there is also as countdvb already said, the catholic scandals looming.
if it stays below a certain level it will calm down again, but it has the potential to get nasty and set back things considerably.
(same can be said for the effects of bill cosby being caught early)
Yeah, I also have doubts that we'll see something like the Federal Marriage Amendment being passed, although an earlier DOMA is a possibility.
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I wouldn't put it so simply since Richard Hunt was playing the main supporting character and had a sympathetic light to him throughout the entire movie, showing that the AIDS crisis was affecting everyone and gay people shouldn't be vilified for the HIV epidemic. For those reasons alone, I'd say that the film has garnered sympathy for the LGBT community, even if it wasn't explicitly about a gay man.
The thing is that the Catholic Church being caught then swings the pendulum from Hollywood to the religious conservatives and while the American protestant and non-Catholics will try to deflect themselves from that, the exposure would be enough to point out all the insane stuff on that side, which would make Falwell and the other scome off as either hypocrities or opportunists trying to hide their stuff and the greater numbers for them would mean that accusations toward the LGBTQ die down.
Yes, I could see things getting nastier ITTL as a result of the scandals in Hollywood and the Catholic Church in American society, but not enough that the majority of U.S. government or society is going to agree on restricting LGBT rights federally, which is the only thing that's going to set things back for LGBT rights at a more substantial level, although states might be an entirely different story.
Well, the Catholic Church is organized religion and thus leans more conservatives so the scandals there would actually swing the accusations away from the LGBTQ folk, especially if it snowballs over time to the other stuff.
eh what? i guess i don't understand, a male priest who is into boys, is just as much gay, so why would that priest not be considered lgbtq?
I find it hard to shed a tear for NAMBLA... ITTL or OTL.
I remember doing a deep read on them once Marrion Zimmer Bradley's kids came forward with the utter horror stories Bradley and her husband (an open member of NAMBLA) put them through... makes the skin crawl.
Nothing hits the berserk button for me like child abuse, especially sexual abuse.
I remember doing a deep read on them once Marrion Zimmer Bradley's kids came forward with the utter horror stories Bradley and her husband (an open member of NAMBLA) put them through... makes the skin crawl.
Nothing hits the berserk button for me like child abuse, especially sexual abuse.
Also, what will happen of The Rescuers Down Under? Just asking here. Will we have to stay tuned?
I hear Cosy was nearly australian aboriginal. Maybe that could happen?
I hear Cosy was nearly australian aboriginal. Maybe that could happen?
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