Hmm...war in China. Should be relatively bloody (especially with all those arms factories floating around) and grinding to say the least.
A healthy baby boy...
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First in order to get to China, one must be tolerant of these suspicious rumors that are floating about. The Labour Party has been born out of the ashes of the Liberal Party in the UK. There is an on going "war" between those "Old Marxists" that are floating about and the "Communalists", who are winning the battle in other areas. The Conservatives are very much in power, thanks to the subtle change of King Edward VII's character on countering the "German Menace".
Then there is the sudden increase of "nationalism" in Australia. They do have a Commonwealth. They have been on their own for quite some time now. Even though it is not official that the Netherland is united with the German Empire, there is a very apparent unease that they will be German in the nigh future. Australia has started it's own version of the Navy and military build-up, if not for it's national security, then just to show it is "free".
But this is not important due to the steady increase that the Qing Dynasty has in...getting it's act together, let us say. There has been a Taiping Rebellion - that much is certain. Many within the Qing Dynasty that are for a heavy pro-Western "build-up" are quite fortunate in that Fredrick Townsend Ward is still alive after that shot that went into his arm instead of his abdomend. The Ever Victorious Army has been retained in the mannerisms of the Jewish Legion of the German Imperial Army. However, there is the matter of the survivors from the Taiping Rebellion to consider...
It should be noted although Fredrick Townsend Ward did survive from that particular battle, he wasn't quite prepared for the dense politics within the Chinese Empire that would have put the "Kaiserprinz" Era to shame. Fredrick Townsend Ward did die in 1889, a long and useful life, a devoted advocator of preserving the Ever Victorious Army within the Imperial Chinese Military. He was also noted as the "Quiet Beirce", writing down prophetic axioms that would soon come true, although published at a later date. This is not important.
What is important is that Charles G. Gordon, his successor witin the Ever Victorious Army, has been advocating for British influence even though the UK cannot possibly hold it's commitments at that time - which is about 1870's/1880's. A token regiment is dispatched to hold what they can in the various segments of China that British interests hold sway in. Over time, as the German Crisis broke out (thereby leading to the Prinzkreig), the development of these token troops began to emulate the strategies of the Ever Victorious Army, on the account that it worked, and that it could work in the nearby future.
Now let us rewind a bit and remember the fact that the Otsu Incident of 1891forever changed the character of Tsar Nicholas II, who began to talk with Japan on the matter of "shared interests". This has relation to Germany because of the severe abuse that Tsar Nicholas II had in becoming just like the Kaiser-Prinz as well as the sudden increase of Germany exporting guns/military technology as if it were it's actual currency instead of ...oh...cotton or anything else related to plants.
With that set firmly in our minds, let us focus on who is ruling Korea at this time - a very strong Empress Myeongseong who is married to a very ineffective husband - as well as ties that her realm has with China. Just as our timeline dictates, there was some fighting, some killing, and Empress Myeongseong has been restored to power after some vague kicking of her father in law has commenced. It should be noted that this event occurs somewhere between 1882 and 1885. Japan signs an agreement after some quarrel emerges with an arcane treaty, some trite detail occurs in which the war is called off, and things are moderately fine after a while.
Of course in the 1880's, the news of Germany's sudden rise of power in Afrika and other regions do begin to perk ears up on beefing Chinese army regiments into a stable fighting force. Although it is highly doubted, some people, such as Yuan Shikai, start to research on the idea of total warfare. There are some measures of reform launched in the Chinese Army, but they don't really come into play until much later, and besides, they are only of a small amount compared to other folks that do train, in a clear metaphor for the readers to understand, fiddling with their crossbows/flintlocks.
Then the Sino-Japanese War breaks out in 1894/5-ish. It should be noted at this time that Tsar Nicholas II comes to the throne, although it may/may not be actually be *certain*, because his father had lent him the power due to the Otsu Incident. There is some war. There is some death. It should also be noted that the slight reforms done in the small areas within the Chinese military as well as the Koreans (who quickly pick up on the fact that if we do not increase our arms to whatever the Germans have, we should, in fact, be dead already) have paid off, although in smaller numbers. There is some measure of victory on the Chinese side, but small.
Then the Russians come in, mainly in the face of Prime Minister Witte, who was hand-picked by Tsar Nicholas II when he had fully gotten into power in Russia. Prime Minister Witte then instructed Baron Roman Romanovitch Rosen to help mediate the conflict. Although many consider this to be of the last minute - the presence of the Russians providing a "third path" was interesting to say the least.
The exact details of how the war ended maybe never really known, due to the whole Prinzkrieg happening within that same period, even though acutal war had not broken out until 1897, some other trite detail that should not be mentioned at this point, and that people were interested in that said subject.
But one would one to know about the "other" foreign powers at this point and most certainly not the Russian "screwing around" in Northern China. That is too boring. Let us - then - simply focus on the "other" powers that were recorded around 1902. That would be far more interesting, as one would say -
1. The US (stationed in the Phillipines - which is being taught a lesson)
2. The Dutch (who are not important)
3. The Australians in Indonesia/Hong Kong
4. The Hong Kong Regiments affiliated with Australia
5. The Italians
6. The Portuguese (testing out their U-Boats)
7. The Germans
8. The British (trying to reclaim their domiance)
9. The Russians
10. The Japanese (who are also, not important)
It should be noted that at the time of the "Boxer Incident" (which is also not important) that the only "Real" Powers were;
1. The Americans/French
2. The British/Australians
3. The Russians/Koreans/Japanese/Italians (by default)
Although the Koreans are not important.
First in order to get to China, one must be tolerant of these suspicious rumors that are floating about. The Labour Party has been born out of the ashes of the Liberal Party in the UK. There is an on going "war" between those "Old Marxists" that are floating about and the "Communalists", who are winning the battle in other areas. The Conservatives are very much in power, thanks to the subtle change of King Edward VII's character on countering the "German Menace".
Then there is the sudden increase of "nationalism" in Australia. They do have a Commonwealth. They have been on their own for quite some time now. Even though it is not official that the Netherland is united with the German Empire, there is a very apparent unease that they will be German in the nigh future. Australia has started it's own version of the Navy and military build-up, if not for it's national security, then just to show it is "free".
But this is not important due to the steady increase that the Qing Dynasty has in...getting it's act together, let us say. There has been a Taiping Rebellion - that much is certain. Many within the Qing Dynasty that are for a heavy pro-Western "build-up" are quite fortunate in that Fredrick Townsend Ward is still alive after that shot that went into his arm instead of his abdomend. The Ever Victorious Army has been retained in the mannerisms of the Jewish Legion of the German Imperial Army. However, there is the matter of the survivors from the Taiping Rebellion to consider...
It should be noted although Fredrick Townsend Ward did survive from that particular battle, he wasn't quite prepared for the dense politics within the Chinese Empire that would have put the "Kaiserprinz" Era to shame. Fredrick Townsend Ward did die in 1889, a long and useful life, a devoted advocator of preserving the Ever Victorious Army within the Imperial Chinese Military. He was also noted as the "Quiet Beirce", writing down prophetic axioms that would soon come true, although published at a later date. This is not important.
What is important is that Charles G. Gordon, his successor witin the Ever Victorious Army, has been advocating for British influence even though the UK cannot possibly hold it's commitments at that time - which is about 1870's/1880's. A token regiment is dispatched to hold what they can in the various segments of China that British interests hold sway in. Over time, as the German Crisis broke out (thereby leading to the Prinzkreig), the development of these token troops began to emulate the strategies of the Ever Victorious Army, on the account that it worked, and that it could work in the nearby future.
Now let us rewind a bit and remember the fact that the Otsu Incident of 1891forever changed the character of Tsar Nicholas II, who began to talk with Japan on the matter of "shared interests". This has relation to Germany because of the severe abuse that Tsar Nicholas II had in becoming just like the Kaiser-Prinz as well as the sudden increase of Germany exporting guns/military technology as if it were it's actual currency instead of ...oh...cotton or anything else related to plants.
With that set firmly in our minds, let us focus on who is ruling Korea at this time - a very strong Empress Myeongseong who is married to a very ineffective husband - as well as ties that her realm has with China. Just as our timeline dictates, there was some fighting, some killing, and Empress Myeongseong has been restored to power after some vague kicking of her father in law has commenced. It should be noted that this event occurs somewhere between 1882 and 1885. Japan signs an agreement after some quarrel emerges with an arcane treaty, some trite detail occurs in which the war is called off, and things are moderately fine after a while.
Of course in the 1880's, the news of Germany's sudden rise of power in Afrika and other regions do begin to perk ears up on beefing Chinese army regiments into a stable fighting force. Although it is highly doubted, some people, such as Yuan Shikai, start to research on the idea of total warfare. There are some measures of reform launched in the Chinese Army, but they don't really come into play until much later, and besides, they are only of a small amount compared to other folks that do train, in a clear metaphor for the readers to understand, fiddling with their crossbows/flintlocks.
Then the Sino-Japanese War breaks out in 1894/5-ish. It should be noted at this time that Tsar Nicholas II comes to the throne, although it may/may not be actually be *certain*, because his father had lent him the power due to the Otsu Incident. There is some war. There is some death. It should also be noted that the slight reforms done in the small areas within the Chinese military as well as the Koreans (who quickly pick up on the fact that if we do not increase our arms to whatever the Germans have, we should, in fact, be dead already) have paid off, although in smaller numbers. There is some measure of victory on the Chinese side, but small.
Then the Russians come in, mainly in the face of Prime Minister Witte, who was hand-picked by Tsar Nicholas II when he had fully gotten into power in Russia. Prime Minister Witte then instructed Baron Roman Romanovitch Rosen to help mediate the conflict. Although many consider this to be of the last minute - the presence of the Russians providing a "third path" was interesting to say the least.
The exact details of how the war ended maybe never really known, due to the whole Prinzkrieg happening within that same period, even though acutal war had not broken out until 1897, some other trite detail that should not be mentioned at this point, and that people were interested in that said subject.
But one would one to know about the "other" foreign powers at this point and most certainly not the Russian "screwing around" in Northern China. That is too boring. Let us - then - simply focus on the "other" powers that were recorded around 1902. That would be far more interesting, as one would say -
1. The US (stationed in the Phillipines - which is being taught a lesson)
2. The Dutch (who are not important)
3. The Australians in Indonesia/Hong Kong
4. The Hong Kong Regiments affiliated with Australia
5. The Italians
6. The Portuguese (testing out their U-Boats)
7. The Germans
8. The British (trying to reclaim their domiance)
9. The Russians
10. The Japanese (who are also, not important)
It should be noted that at the time of the "Boxer Incident" (which is also not important) that the only "Real" Powers were;
1. The Americans/French
2. The British/Australians
3. The Russians/Koreans/Japanese/Italians (by default)
Although the Koreans are not important.
Very interesting... a stronger China with reformist leaning could spell trouble in Asia, both for the Russians, and the Japanese. In this case, I wonder if the Japanese would end up being somewhat restricted in what they can do... although it seems China is not a naval power, and as such, the Japanese have more of a leeway because they, on the other hand, have a powerful navy.
how do you spell reform? W A R W I T H E N G L A N D
So now we come to China. China is a pretty big place. It does hold a whole lot of people. Unlike Afrika, the one thing that they do have is freedom, which has been disproven through incessant war.
There's also the political intrigue within the Imperial Court to account for the struggle. The Guangxu Emperor is known as a reformer. He is very interested in the ideals of "Communalism" and the principles on how China can mimic Japan.
The detractment is, of course, Empress Dowager Cixi, who is very ambitious, which ...is sort of an ....understatement. There's an unofficial tug of war betwen the two, and it's never really clear on who really is the leader of Imperial China. Several other useless facts set aside, Empress Dowager Cixi is a very powerful woman, and attracts many of the Conservatives within the Imperial Court to her side.
Just as the war is going nigh defeat of Imperial China, the Russian backed peace treaty is shoved down it's throats. Even though a couple of thousand lives have been saved (meh...), the effect is still humiliating. Those counter-reforms against modernizing the Imperial Chinese Army proved to be a strong deteriment, especially with the long lines of corruption that is sucking the life out of the government.
So, just as our timeline dictates, there is mucho concessions made to Japan, even though China was not officially "beaten to a bloody pulp". As a consequence of this action (1894/5), The Guangxu Emperor starts pushing for reform in all civil and military sectors of the Empire. Even though there are those concessions in which he has to bow down to Russian/Japanese interests, there is always the reputation of those "reformed" army units to think about, especially given their long list of success against the Japanese Empire.
So - the Three Years Reform is launched. There is some struggle on the pace of these reforms are taken; after all the Conservatives do agree that the soil that was stolen away by the Japanese (namely the Liaodung Penninsula) need to be re-admitted into the Chinese Empire. The Reformists argue that only with speed they can beat Japan back into the vassal state that it was, give or take a couple of words that I may have put into their mouths.
The Three Years Reform is not really well received within the halls of the Imperial Palace. It is said that the Empress Dowager Cixi personally made it her mission to counter such reforms by The Guangxu Emperor. Emissaries from her "court" are seen with the Russian counterparts and virtually anyone else that wasn't Japanese and/or against The Guangxu Emperorer.
There is also the matter of Liang Qichao, who has been reading up on the Danzig Speech. He has also learned of the Otsu Incident. Although these two things cannot be conceived as the same ....oh...."field of academic success", what he does have is the idea of a Communalist State, although supportive of a consitutional monarchy. This idea is then transmuted to his mentor, Kang Youwei, who then modifies it so that China can get it's act together.
Of course there is this constant presence of Russia in the mix. Russia is not so greedy in taking all that it wants just for a port without ice. On the contrary, it is stated in the Imperial Halls of Moscow that if Russia is to be as successfull as the U.S. or Germany, then it should limit it's policies so that it may have the carrot instead of the awesome cleaver. There is some backdoor dealings on the said Penninsula as well as Port Arthur, which a small spur of the Trans-Siberian Railway is made to end at that particular city.
This leads us to the Japanese, which seems to be at a crossroads. The common opinion on the streets of Japan is that there was a missed oppertunity in making peace with Russia. After all, do they not have these magnificent ships that they have bought from the West? Have they not bribed some insignificant Frenchman to build their ships? Is it not fact that they are the masters of the seas? There is much discussion on these questions...
Which are immediately solved due further negotiation by Russia on the matter of Korea. In the Russian point of view, Korea can be retained as a "Eastern Poland" of sorts; although it may stunt Japan's imperial interests, Russia is perfectly open to give back it's interests in the said penninsula, co-share of the "Port Arthur Spur", and this thing about France, who looks very weak at the moment, cough cough. The coughing is then followed a map of weakened French interests, available from the now Japanese controlled Formosa -
Which is not important in the slightest degree.
Then 1897 hits. This is significant because of the following;
1) Lack of firm British troops in key areas that can be retrieved
2) Lack of firm French troops near Indochina, Shanghai, Kwang-Chou-Wan, Guangzhou, and all those places won in the Second Opium War
3) Utter collapse of the British presence
4) Americans getting involved in Cuba and then Puerto Rico and then the Phillipines (the order is not important)
5) A Very Strong Russia (which is not important)
Of course "Eastern Poland" has to be agreed upon by the Japanese....
So now we come to China. China is a pretty big place. It does hold a whole lot of people. Unlike Afrika, the one thing that they do have is freedom, which has been disproven through incessant war.
There's also the political intrigue within the Imperial Court to account for the struggle. The Guangxu Emperor is known as a reformer. He is very interested in the ideals of "Communalism" and the principles on how China can mimic Japan.
The detractment is, of course, Empress Dowager Cixi, who is very ambitious, which ...is sort of an ....understatement. There's an unofficial tug of war betwen the two, and it's never really clear on who really is the leader of Imperial China. Several other useless facts set aside, Empress Dowager Cixi is a very powerful woman, and attracts many of the Conservatives within the Imperial Court to her side.
Just as the war is going nigh defeat of Imperial China, the Russian backed peace treaty is shoved down it's throats. Even though a couple of thousand lives have been saved (meh...), the effect is still humiliating. Those counter-reforms against modernizing the Imperial Chinese Army proved to be a strong deteriment, especially with the long lines of corruption that is sucking the life out of the government.
So, just as our timeline dictates, there is mucho concessions made to Japan, even though China was not officially "beaten to a bloody pulp". As a consequence of this action (1894/5), The Guangxu Emperor starts pushing for reform in all civil and military sectors of the Empire. Even though there are those concessions in which he has to bow down to Russian/Japanese interests, there is always the reputation of those "reformed" army units to think about, especially given their long list of success against the Japanese Empire.
So - the Three Years Reform is launched. There is some struggle on the pace of these reforms are taken; after all the Conservatives do agree that the soil that was stolen away by the Japanese (namely the Liaodung Penninsula) need to be re-admitted into the Chinese Empire. The Reformists argue that only with speed they can beat Japan back into the vassal state that it was, give or take a couple of words that I may have put into their mouths.
The Three Years Reform is not really well received within the halls of the Imperial Palace. It is said that the Empress Dowager Cixi personally made it her mission to counter such reforms by The Guangxu Emperor. Emissaries from her "court" are seen with the Russian counterparts and virtually anyone else that wasn't Japanese and/or against The Guangxu Emperorer.
There is also the matter of Liang Qichao, who has been reading up on the Danzig Speech. He has also learned of the Otsu Incident. Although these two things cannot be conceived as the same ....oh...."field of academic success", what he does have is the idea of a Communalist State, although supportive of a consitutional monarchy. This idea is then transmuted to his mentor, Kang Youwei, who then modifies it so that China can get it's act together.
Of course there is this constant presence of Russia in the mix. Russia is not so greedy in taking all that it wants just for a port without ice. On the contrary, it is stated in the Imperial Halls of Moscow that if Russia is to be as successfull as the U.S. or Germany, then it should limit it's policies so that it may have the carrot instead of the awesome cleaver. There is some backdoor dealings on the said Penninsula as well as Port Arthur, which a small spur of the Trans-Siberian Railway is made to end at that particular city.
This leads us to the Japanese, which seems to be at a crossroads. The common opinion on the streets of Japan is that there was a missed oppertunity in making peace with Russia. After all, do they not have these magnificent ships that they have bought from the West? Have they not bribed some insignificant Frenchman to build their ships? Is it not fact that they are the masters of the seas? There is much discussion on these questions...
Which are immediately solved due further negotiation by Russia on the matter of Korea. In the Russian point of view, Korea can be retained as a "Eastern Poland" of sorts; although it may stunt Japan's imperial interests, Russia is perfectly open to give back it's interests in the said penninsula, co-share of the "Port Arthur Spur", and this thing about France, who looks very weak at the moment, cough cough. The coughing is then followed a map of weakened French interests, available from the now Japanese controlled Formosa -
Which is not important in the slightest degree.
Then 1897 hits. This is significant because of the following;
1) Lack of firm British troops in key areas that can be retrieved
2) Lack of firm French troops near Indochina, Shanghai, Kwang-Chou-Wan, Guangzhou, and all those places won in the Second Opium War
3) Utter collapse of the British presence
4) Americans getting involved in Cuba and then Puerto Rico and then the Phillipines (the order is not important)
5) A Very Strong Russia (which is not important)
Of course "Eastern Poland" has to be agreed upon by the Japanese....
blah query?
It is during the rise of the EU that there is some effort made by the British to consolidate their Intelligence Networks, more specifically the Naval Intelligence as well as the Diplomatic Service Intelligence Networks. This can be related to the US's reforms as well. Of course none of these movements are quite as brutal as the Iron Brigade, who we know a great deal about, and yet little about the finer details.
Trite detail aside, there is a curious note within the gathered information by the "Allied" secret services. This note extends mostly to the Summit, more specifically Argentina, who has a very large squadron of UBoats. Although it doesn't have the weight of Germany in Europe, it does have a continued line of support from German Afrika, which has become more of a commonwealth of independent states as time passes on. Argentina does have it's own version of the Iron Brigade....
Then there is the case of the Germans within this Brazilian Iron Brigade is noted. Already there are several key members of the Kaiserliche Marine established in high positions. However, the one key person that interests the secret services is an old German "merchant", who has retired to Sao Paul from a firm that may or may not be the Complex, now scattered to the four winds under different names.
The old German "merchant" is of a curious note because he does not have a name. He simply goes by the name of Hans Muller, which is apparent, because he has the visage of the dead Kaiser-Prinz, although with a beard. Many people counter this idea because the Kaiser-Prinz is dead and no one would like to see him continue the chaos that is just spreading across the globe under a formalized structure.
But no one cannot deny the sudden growth that Brazil has gained in the years during the Prinzkrieg nor the Prinz's supposed "death". French Guyana has been "talked to" by the Brazilians to join the Summit. There was a brief war. The first illustration of mobile artillery was used upon their state. The horror, as one reporter put it, was not that the Brazilians had mobile artillery, but that they resembled the uniformity that the Imperial Army had when invading France.
Mr. "Hans Muller" is often seen talking to the Presidente of Argentina and Brazil. There has been pressure on Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Columbia, and Venezuela to join the Summit. There has been counter-measures within those states from the US on prohibiting them from joining the Summit. They haven't quite triumphed in Columbia, where the eyes of Roosevelt has been upon Panama, and the possibilities of a Canal. The Columbian Ambassador to Washington DC has pointed out that if the US does not stop arming the rebels, Columbia will ask support from the Summit.
Already there is the apparent fear in the US that if South America falls, then they will be privy to an invasion by the German Hegemon. Some reporters have taken it upon themselves to shorten the term "Communalist" to "Communist". The interference in Mexico by the US has only galvanized the anti-American attitudes of the public people. There is word that Presidente Diaz is playing too much with fire on the Americans on letting parts of the Complex be sold to the said nation. Mexican versions of the Gewer '89 are produced by the thousands. The US has begun spying on those Mexicans within their own borders.
The Summit of the Americans, seeing that their effort was too soon, begin to negotiate a universal (well - in their own boundaries) peacekeeping force, beginning with their navies. A treaty is signed with Kamerun-Togoland on every third U-Boat/"stealth" cruiser developed in their 'yards to be turned over to the Summit. The first concept of the "wolf pack" is proposed.
Socialist critics in the US begin to warn of the "Imperial President".
It is during the rise of the EU that there is some effort made by the British to consolidate their Intelligence Networks, more specifically the Naval Intelligence as well as the Diplomatic Service Intelligence Networks. This can be related to the US's reforms as well. Of course none of these movements are quite as brutal as the Iron Brigade, who we know a great deal about, and yet little about the finer details.
Trite detail aside, there is a curious note within the gathered information by the "Allied" secret services. This note extends mostly to the Summit, more specifically Argentina, who has a very large squadron of UBoats. Although it doesn't have the weight of Germany in Europe, it does have a continued line of support from German Afrika, which has become more of a commonwealth of independent states as time passes on. Argentina does have it's own version of the Iron Brigade....
Then there is the case of the Germans within this Brazilian Iron Brigade is noted. Already there are several key members of the Kaiserliche Marine established in high positions. However, the one key person that interests the secret services is an old German "merchant", who has retired to Sao Paul from a firm that may or may not be the Complex, now scattered to the four winds under different names.
The old German "merchant" is of a curious note because he does not have a name. He simply goes by the name of Hans Muller, which is apparent, because he has the visage of the dead Kaiser-Prinz, although with a beard. Many people counter this idea because the Kaiser-Prinz is dead and no one would like to see him continue the chaos that is just spreading across the globe under a formalized structure.
But no one cannot deny the sudden growth that Brazil has gained in the years during the Prinzkrieg nor the Prinz's supposed "death". French Guyana has been "talked to" by the Brazilians to join the Summit. There was a brief war. The first illustration of mobile artillery was used upon their state. The horror, as one reporter put it, was not that the Brazilians had mobile artillery, but that they resembled the uniformity that the Imperial Army had when invading France.
Mr. "Hans Muller" is often seen talking to the Presidente of Argentina and Brazil. There has been pressure on Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Columbia, and Venezuela to join the Summit. There has been counter-measures within those states from the US on prohibiting them from joining the Summit. They haven't quite triumphed in Columbia, where the eyes of Roosevelt has been upon Panama, and the possibilities of a Canal. The Columbian Ambassador to Washington DC has pointed out that if the US does not stop arming the rebels, Columbia will ask support from the Summit.
Already there is the apparent fear in the US that if South America falls, then they will be privy to an invasion by the German Hegemon. Some reporters have taken it upon themselves to shorten the term "Communalist" to "Communist". The interference in Mexico by the US has only galvanized the anti-American attitudes of the public people. There is word that Presidente Diaz is playing too much with fire on the Americans on letting parts of the Complex be sold to the said nation. Mexican versions of the Gewer '89 are produced by the thousands. The US has begun spying on those Mexicans within their own borders.
The Summit of the Americans, seeing that their effort was too soon, begin to negotiate a universal (well - in their own boundaries) peacekeeping force, beginning with their navies. A treaty is signed with Kamerun-Togoland on every third U-Boat/"stealth" cruiser developed in their 'yards to be turned over to the Summit. The first concept of the "wolf pack" is proposed.
Socialist critics in the US begin to warn of the "Imperial President".
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Max Sinister
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I don't know about Brazil... even during OTL 30s its population was still less than half of Germany's, and some decades earlier it would be even less. They've got potential, but at the moment they've just the power to be a regional power, but no world power.
China will be a party in any war fought in Asia, and could assert itself. The only issue is that I do not foresee China fighting the Atlantic Axis.G.Bone said:
No, I don't think so, but I am unsure.
By interesting I meant the direction that this has taken. It is not where I anticipated, but I like what you have posted thus far.
some movements & Musings
A brief overview on the politics of 1907...
The Third Republic is busy gathering it's forces for a re-conquest of France. There has been a growing emphasis on military technology, especially in the avenues that can defeat the German War Machine as well as to persuade Italy from not supporting the German Empire. Their whispers have been growing quite insistant over the years, pointing to the Crown Prince of Italy that Germany can't quite rule over all of Europe. The sad thing is that the Balkans are a mess, Hungary is weak, and there is no possible way that the Ottomans can last that long. Given that Italy is the power of the Inland Sea, should it not be the Ruler?
The Crown Prince is listening.
Of course the exact government of the Third Republic is unique in the way that it teeters between absolute dictatorship and republicanism. There is the overt belief that the homeland will be "liberated". Anything "German" is burned, banned, and killed. Then again, the tilt towards republicanism is somewhat giving the victory to the Germans, who are operating on a decentralized state system....well....in Afrika....
The very idea of the French Foreign Legion has been embraced by the French military since they were the ones that kept Algeria alive throughout the Prinzkrieg (that and the massive terrain that German had to deal with). There is a strong presence of American and British aide in France, although how they got there is a curious note. Spanish Morocco has been divided, seeing that it's the only available port to them, since all of them have been yoinked by Germany and/or currently under war. The French Foreign Legion is something not of Rome, as they would argue in the Chamber of Deputies (they still kept the title but changed the duties of power), but of something "other" than the heathen German pagan (etc) concept of it.
Of course the very notion of the Foreign Legion is somewhat different. If Germany has been decentralized to the point that there are several departments operating out of the jurisdiction of Berlin, then the French military of the Third Republic is the opposite. They have learned from their mistakes. They seek resitution and the liberation of Paris. There has been some open talks with the American Ambassador on an "Axis of Liberty" within those powers that are hesitant on German power.
The big thing is - Libya- and who controls it. It is regarded as a loose appendage of the Ottoman Empire. As of 1907, there is a push to reform the said Empire to counter the threats that the Balkans have, more specifically, Greece and Roumania. The current Sultan has been taking those bribes from Russia on countering the said states. Even though this is in contrast to the previous policies of the (dead) Tsar Alexander III, it cannot be denied the immense power that Russia now has over Constantinople, with Russian "advisors" appearing in the Sultan's Court, as well as other things to make Russia a "sleeping giant' of the Middle East.
Then there is Persia, which is another story all together...
Ironically the very agenda of France allying itself with England has come to harvest because of the German conquest and foundation of the Fourth Republic. Both the Third Republic and the Fourth Republic is in a pickle. The Fourth Republic can be classified as a "Communalist" state, seeing that the State has it's hands in everything, and that there is no want for anything. What is supporting this policy is, as one can expect, the German Army/Kaiserliche Marine-in-France, proving who is the Master of Everything with an iron fist. The Fourth Republic is against such a notion - saying that it is "un-French", and other propaganda literature that can be summoned with my eyes closed - but their state is run along the very presence that the German Army/Kaiserliche Marine has behind their "puppet state".
Politics in the Third Republic is a strange thing, but what everyone knows throughout that state, is the hunger for revenge against the German Empire...
as well as the maintenance of the former French Empire...
Of all the states that did consitute the French Empire, only Indochine and French Polynesia seem to be actively supporting the Third Republic. It is said that the British have "allowed" Goa to flourish because it is the only way they can formally contact the Third Republic without pissing off the Germans who can invade Great Britain at any time. Even though King Edward VII is friendly towards Kaiser Heinrich I on paper, the immense growth of the Kaiserliche Marine as well as the sudden focus on submarine technology which is held by virtually every other power on the (European) Continent, is the main reason why England is talking to the Third Republic.
England cannot possibly absorb those states across the globe; it cannot even hold the colonies that it has now!
Thus Indochine and the other French states in India are "recognized" because they are "independent" on paper. There is a growing presence of Australians in Indochine. There is a growing presence of British troops from India and Hong Kong to counter a possible retaking of their lands they have "rightfully conquered" in the First Opium War. No-one wants to see these lands fall back to their original owners.
Then again, there are the Japanese and Russians to worry about...
A brief overview on the politics of 1907...
The Third Republic is busy gathering it's forces for a re-conquest of France. There has been a growing emphasis on military technology, especially in the avenues that can defeat the German War Machine as well as to persuade Italy from not supporting the German Empire. Their whispers have been growing quite insistant over the years, pointing to the Crown Prince of Italy that Germany can't quite rule over all of Europe. The sad thing is that the Balkans are a mess, Hungary is weak, and there is no possible way that the Ottomans can last that long. Given that Italy is the power of the Inland Sea, should it not be the Ruler?
The Crown Prince is listening.
Of course the exact government of the Third Republic is unique in the way that it teeters between absolute dictatorship and republicanism. There is the overt belief that the homeland will be "liberated". Anything "German" is burned, banned, and killed. Then again, the tilt towards republicanism is somewhat giving the victory to the Germans, who are operating on a decentralized state system....well....in Afrika....
The very idea of the French Foreign Legion has been embraced by the French military since they were the ones that kept Algeria alive throughout the Prinzkrieg (that and the massive terrain that German had to deal with). There is a strong presence of American and British aide in France, although how they got there is a curious note. Spanish Morocco has been divided, seeing that it's the only available port to them, since all of them have been yoinked by Germany and/or currently under war. The French Foreign Legion is something not of Rome, as they would argue in the Chamber of Deputies (they still kept the title but changed the duties of power), but of something "other" than the heathen German pagan (etc) concept of it.
Of course the very notion of the Foreign Legion is somewhat different. If Germany has been decentralized to the point that there are several departments operating out of the jurisdiction of Berlin, then the French military of the Third Republic is the opposite. They have learned from their mistakes. They seek resitution and the liberation of Paris. There has been some open talks with the American Ambassador on an "Axis of Liberty" within those powers that are hesitant on German power.
The big thing is - Libya- and who controls it. It is regarded as a loose appendage of the Ottoman Empire. As of 1907, there is a push to reform the said Empire to counter the threats that the Balkans have, more specifically, Greece and Roumania. The current Sultan has been taking those bribes from Russia on countering the said states. Even though this is in contrast to the previous policies of the (dead) Tsar Alexander III, it cannot be denied the immense power that Russia now has over Constantinople, with Russian "advisors" appearing in the Sultan's Court, as well as other things to make Russia a "sleeping giant' of the Middle East.
Then there is Persia, which is another story all together...
Ironically the very agenda of France allying itself with England has come to harvest because of the German conquest and foundation of the Fourth Republic. Both the Third Republic and the Fourth Republic is in a pickle. The Fourth Republic can be classified as a "Communalist" state, seeing that the State has it's hands in everything, and that there is no want for anything. What is supporting this policy is, as one can expect, the German Army/Kaiserliche Marine-in-France, proving who is the Master of Everything with an iron fist. The Fourth Republic is against such a notion - saying that it is "un-French", and other propaganda literature that can be summoned with my eyes closed - but their state is run along the very presence that the German Army/Kaiserliche Marine has behind their "puppet state".
Politics in the Third Republic is a strange thing, but what everyone knows throughout that state, is the hunger for revenge against the German Empire...
as well as the maintenance of the former French Empire...
Of all the states that did consitute the French Empire, only Indochine and French Polynesia seem to be actively supporting the Third Republic. It is said that the British have "allowed" Goa to flourish because it is the only way they can formally contact the Third Republic without pissing off the Germans who can invade Great Britain at any time. Even though King Edward VII is friendly towards Kaiser Heinrich I on paper, the immense growth of the Kaiserliche Marine as well as the sudden focus on submarine technology which is held by virtually every other power on the (European) Continent, is the main reason why England is talking to the Third Republic.
England cannot possibly absorb those states across the globe; it cannot even hold the colonies that it has now!
Thus Indochine and the other French states in India are "recognized" because they are "independent" on paper. There is a growing presence of Australians in Indochine. There is a growing presence of British troops from India and Hong Kong to counter a possible retaking of their lands they have "rightfully conquered" in the First Opium War. No-one wants to see these lands fall back to their original owners.
Then again, there are the Japanese and Russians to worry about...
What is that? A speck?
Germany (or rather, the German Empire) -
It is fact that the German Empire has supplanted the British Empire through the actions of the Kaiser-Prinz. Although the Kaiser-Prinz may or may not be dead, his actions are still reverberating within the world. South America is now *active* with a capital *A* and Afrika has been "helped" to the detriment of the British Empire as well as those powers that would rather colonize than assist.
The exact politics of the German Empire, ironically, is what an anarchist of OTL would love. There are several different components of the German Empire that operate out of the jurisdiction of Berlin. France is a military state. Afrika is on it's own. The famed K-L Complex is an entity unto itself, most noted to have given guns to the Mexicans and other folk that aren't supposed to have them, and so on down the list.
The current ruler of Germany is Kaiser Heinrich I, who wouuld prefer to be called Kapitan than Kaiser. The politics within Berlin is quite turbulent. There are about four different political factions; the military party, the economist party, the "liberals", and the "conservatives". Although this would defy common sense, what cannot be denied is the immense weight that the military (named the Sparticists) have within every aspect of life for the German citizenry.
But I have covered this at length in the previous installments.
The ramifications of a "anarchist" Germany has been somewhat catastrophic for the Marxist teachings. There's no hide nor trace of the movement within the former stance they had in other countries; that has been hijacked by the effect that the Kaiser-Prinz had in deconstructing France and the former balance of power in Europe. Even though Germany may be saved from nigh dissolution, it would have dominated either way, and that if it had, then the rest of Europe would have to deal with the bear next door, which is not a good thing.
Meanwhile, in Afrika, the Congo Free State has been "developed" by various delegates from Ostafrika and Sudwestafrika-Angola. It will be some time before that colony will be absorbed into the German "orbit". It will be a very long time. In fact, it has become fact that the different colonies within Afrika are slowly moving away from each other due to the geographic location they occupy as well as the people that consitute it. The joke is that if the Afrikan Union will ever come about, they will have to speak English instead of German, because their individual dialects of German is simply...well...babble.
Russia
Russia is a sleeping bear with the weight of a 5k Gorilla just waiting to be the Ruler of Everything and Anything. It is a republic in the definition only a couple of people rule the state and they meet up with specific qualifications that is three steps away from an oligarchy. In fact, it is an oligarchy, although there is a Duma for the people to "speak up".
Unlike the Fourth Republic, there is simply no need for the Iron Brigade; there is the heritage of the previous Tsar to keep people in line. The Russian economy is booming with their arrangements with Germany as well as their links with Japan, Persia, the Ottomans, and Bulgaria. It is pointed out that the Russian trains are seen in almost every country in Eastern Europe and it will be only a matter of time before they will be seen in Italy and Spain.
Tsar Nicholas II does have an heir apparent - two sons - one named Ivan and the other Peter. There's a couple of English names thrown in. However, Tsar Nicholas II does pass on the heritage of abuse that he had within his own childhood, always pointing out to his sons that Russia is three steps away from being the Master of Everything, and it is up to them to not "screw it off for a glass bauble".
Of course the concessions that Tsar Nicholas II has gotten from the Ottoman Empire is only the tip of the many other things that he has done throughout the Eurasian Continent. There are Russians in Japan, China, Persia, and India. It is within Persia that they are making the most of their presence, creating their own currency of Russian made guns, and "assisting" the current Shah in adopting the Consitution in which Persia will become akin to the US or the Uk. The thing is that the UK does not like this but cannot intervene due to the limitations they have across the globe.
Plus there is China to worry about...
China
China is currently not trying to fall into revolution/civil war. Democracy has been a big thing with the noted Three Years Reform pushing for a full modernization of the Chinese Imperial Army. Most unfortunately, this has met with some opposition from the Empress Dowanger, who does not like the current Emporer, and has appealed to anyone who can help her on a possible coup. The British are listening, more specifically that division of the Royal Navy that did not agree with their Queen favoring the Kaiser-Prinz, and has been at work in carving out some version of Britain away from their homeland. Their weapons are not as superior as the Mauser gewer but near there.
There is also the matter of the former French enclaves within China. Some of them have been taken over by British interests. Some of them have rebelled and gone over to China. That is not important. What is important is that Russia has pointed out their inherent weakness to Japan so that they won't take over Korea (an "Eastern Poland") and thus becoming an Empire on their own.
Japan has ships that have been proven against the Chinese Navy. They can most certainly take those enclaves with ease. The matter is, of course, on this possible revolution in China. Knock-offs of the famous Mauser gewer have been appearing in the "modernized" Imperial Units that acutally stood against the Japanese in the First Sino-Japanese War.
If China lasts, it's screwed with Japan and Russia looking on.
If China doesn't last, it's screwed with Japan and Russia taking it over.
China is screwed either way.
Germany (or rather, the German Empire) -
It is fact that the German Empire has supplanted the British Empire through the actions of the Kaiser-Prinz. Although the Kaiser-Prinz may or may not be dead, his actions are still reverberating within the world. South America is now *active* with a capital *A* and Afrika has been "helped" to the detriment of the British Empire as well as those powers that would rather colonize than assist.
The exact politics of the German Empire, ironically, is what an anarchist of OTL would love. There are several different components of the German Empire that operate out of the jurisdiction of Berlin. France is a military state. Afrika is on it's own. The famed K-L Complex is an entity unto itself, most noted to have given guns to the Mexicans and other folk that aren't supposed to have them, and so on down the list.
The current ruler of Germany is Kaiser Heinrich I, who wouuld prefer to be called Kapitan than Kaiser. The politics within Berlin is quite turbulent. There are about four different political factions; the military party, the economist party, the "liberals", and the "conservatives". Although this would defy common sense, what cannot be denied is the immense weight that the military (named the Sparticists) have within every aspect of life for the German citizenry.
But I have covered this at length in the previous installments.
The ramifications of a "anarchist" Germany has been somewhat catastrophic for the Marxist teachings. There's no hide nor trace of the movement within the former stance they had in other countries; that has been hijacked by the effect that the Kaiser-Prinz had in deconstructing France and the former balance of power in Europe. Even though Germany may be saved from nigh dissolution, it would have dominated either way, and that if it had, then the rest of Europe would have to deal with the bear next door, which is not a good thing.
Meanwhile, in Afrika, the Congo Free State has been "developed" by various delegates from Ostafrika and Sudwestafrika-Angola. It will be some time before that colony will be absorbed into the German "orbit". It will be a very long time. In fact, it has become fact that the different colonies within Afrika are slowly moving away from each other due to the geographic location they occupy as well as the people that consitute it. The joke is that if the Afrikan Union will ever come about, they will have to speak English instead of German, because their individual dialects of German is simply...well...babble.
Russia
Russia is a sleeping bear with the weight of a 5k Gorilla just waiting to be the Ruler of Everything and Anything. It is a republic in the definition only a couple of people rule the state and they meet up with specific qualifications that is three steps away from an oligarchy. In fact, it is an oligarchy, although there is a Duma for the people to "speak up".
Unlike the Fourth Republic, there is simply no need for the Iron Brigade; there is the heritage of the previous Tsar to keep people in line. The Russian economy is booming with their arrangements with Germany as well as their links with Japan, Persia, the Ottomans, and Bulgaria. It is pointed out that the Russian trains are seen in almost every country in Eastern Europe and it will be only a matter of time before they will be seen in Italy and Spain.
Tsar Nicholas II does have an heir apparent - two sons - one named Ivan and the other Peter. There's a couple of English names thrown in. However, Tsar Nicholas II does pass on the heritage of abuse that he had within his own childhood, always pointing out to his sons that Russia is three steps away from being the Master of Everything, and it is up to them to not "screw it off for a glass bauble".
Of course the concessions that Tsar Nicholas II has gotten from the Ottoman Empire is only the tip of the many other things that he has done throughout the Eurasian Continent. There are Russians in Japan, China, Persia, and India. It is within Persia that they are making the most of their presence, creating their own currency of Russian made guns, and "assisting" the current Shah in adopting the Consitution in which Persia will become akin to the US or the Uk. The thing is that the UK does not like this but cannot intervene due to the limitations they have across the globe.
Plus there is China to worry about...
China
China is currently not trying to fall into revolution/civil war. Democracy has been a big thing with the noted Three Years Reform pushing for a full modernization of the Chinese Imperial Army. Most unfortunately, this has met with some opposition from the Empress Dowanger, who does not like the current Emporer, and has appealed to anyone who can help her on a possible coup. The British are listening, more specifically that division of the Royal Navy that did not agree with their Queen favoring the Kaiser-Prinz, and has been at work in carving out some version of Britain away from their homeland. Their weapons are not as superior as the Mauser gewer but near there.
There is also the matter of the former French enclaves within China. Some of them have been taken over by British interests. Some of them have rebelled and gone over to China. That is not important. What is important is that Russia has pointed out their inherent weakness to Japan so that they won't take over Korea (an "Eastern Poland") and thus becoming an Empire on their own.
Japan has ships that have been proven against the Chinese Navy. They can most certainly take those enclaves with ease. The matter is, of course, on this possible revolution in China. Knock-offs of the famous Mauser gewer have been appearing in the "modernized" Imperial Units that acutally stood against the Japanese in the First Sino-Japanese War.
If China lasts, it's screwed with Japan and Russia looking on.
If China doesn't last, it's screwed with Japan and Russia taking it over.
China is screwed either way.
I like this TL, keep going just the way you are. Nothing really wrong. I know, you want to hear some form of criticism, but honestly there's nothing I can do to help you improve on this. (It's that good)