A Greater United States

Let’s say due to a mix of luck and good leadership the United States takes most of Canada during the Revolutionary War with the exception of some lands and islands. This could also be done if Quebec decides to join the United States during the war for one reason or a other.

During the Haitian revolution the United States successfully invades Haiti to put down the slave uprising when France fails. France concedes Haitia to the United States.

When Napoleon takes power he sells the the United States the Louisiana purchase like in our world but for a bit more money he sells the United States all French holding in the Americas.

Now by around 1812 Britain and the United States goes to war against Britain again and takes the rest of Canada and the British Caribbean(counting Guyana) somehow. Or they just buy the all of the British Caribbean holdings and Guyana at one point later on.

A similar war breaks out with Mexico around the same time but the United States annexes all of it after.

The United States keeps Liberia as part of the country.

Americans start filler-bursting Central America like our world but actually annex them after a successful take over

The United States still buys Alaska

The United States buys all of the Dutch and Danish American colonies at some point.

America still gets Hawaii.

The United States gets the Easter Islands and that one Ecuador has.

The United States still has a war with Spain at some point but annex all of the Spanish Caribbean and Pacific holdings.

The United States takes most of the Polynesia

The United States gets a Hong Kong like trade port or 2 during the boxer rebellion.

The United States buys Greenland.

How do you think the United States could possibly do this and manage it within a timeframe from 1775 to 1912?

How would this United States develop in regards to politics, culture, military, economics, and any other factor?

What would Americans foreign relationships be like? What would be its interactions with South America and Japan?

How would racial relationships work and how would slavery develop in this country? Would the US use or create a caste system in regions like Mexico or very racially mix societies? Would these societies ally with the slave holding south politically? Would immigration be bunch more open due to the larger land mass?

How would Francophones populations develop in this country especially in Canada and Louisiana?
 
During the Haitian revolution the United States successfully invades Haiti to put down the slave uprising when France fails. France concedes Haitia to the United States.
Did the US have a navy capable of taking and holding Haiti at this point? Was its army good enough to withstand what would undoubtedly be severe guerrilla warfare from those America wished to re-enslave? Would the US be willing to keep an island that would in all likelihood be a huge money-pit?

Now by around 1812 Britain and the United States goes to war against Britain again and takes the rest of Canada and the British Caribbean(counting Guyana) somehow. Or they just buy the all of the British Caribbean holdings and Guyana at one point later on.
What stops the British from just retaking Canada once they wrap up their business with Napoleon?

A similar war breaks out with Mexico around the same time but the United States annexes all of it after.
That's going to add a lot of Mexican catholics to the US population. Not sure the Americans would go for it, but I guess it's possible.
The United States keeps Liberia as part of the country.
Liberia was never part of the US, but it's probably not too hard to get it to be one.
The United States buys all of the Dutch and Danish American colonies at some point.

The United States gets the Easter Islands and that one Ecuador has.
These two are probably the most plausible options.
The United States gets a Hong Kong like trade port or 2 during the boxer rebellion.
America had a bunch of chances to get trade ports of their own and didn't. You'd need a very different American foreign policy during this time period for this to work.
What would Americans foreign relationships be like? What would be its interactions with South America and Japan?
An America that takes all these lands by force or coerced purchase is likely to be seen as a bully across the world. I doubt any of the country's that got their land taken would hold the US in high regard unless it drastically changes its act in later decades.
 
Rolling sixes after taking on everyone right in the beginning? That’s like the guy who wins a playground fight thanks to enlisting help from the school bully and then turning around and kicking that guy’s ass again by himself - and then taking down the school bully. Not to say it couldn’t have happened but it would take a lot of luck and a lot of chutzpah on part of the fledgling States.
 
Off topic: why are there so many topics about how big the USA could get?

On: the USA would be a superstate that no one can beat. Not even the British Empire. Then again? If there is a massivd expansion there might be a morr hostile relationship between colonial powers and the USA.
 
Did the US have a navy capable of taking and holding Haiti at this point? Was its army good enough to withstand what would undoubtedly be severe guerrilla warfare from those America wished to re-enslave? Would the US be willing to keep an island that would in all likelihood be a huge money-pit?
I think American could easily have a large military force navy and army wise if they invested. A more federalist or more centralized government could build up much more before the war. The United States might re-enslave the Haitians then deport large numbers of them to states like like Alabama or Mississippi. Later on they can send them to Florida and Louisiana when they get those places. They would have a harder time starting unrest there. It would also make the white population more even with the black one in Haiti which they might desire.

What stops the British from just retaking Canada once they wrap up their business with Napoleon?
I did say Quebec joined the United States during the revolutionary war. Most of Canada would be the United States by then. The only thing America has to take is Rupert land which is doable and the islands off the Canadian coast which could be hard but doable if they are distracted. Once you take that they will have a harder time landing a anywhere.

That's going to add a lot of Mexican catholics to the US population. Not sure the Americans would go for it, but I guess it's possible.
Like mentioned before Quebec and French Canadian sided with and joined the United States during the revolution which makes them more use to Catholics. The race issue might be bigger problem in regards to Mexico.
Liberia was never part of the US, but it's probably not too hard to get it to be one.
I met to say they turn it into a colony or territory. My bad.


These two are probably the most plausible options.

America had a bunch of chances to get trade ports of their own and didn't. You'd need a very different American foreign policy during this time period for this to work.
This is supposed to be a more expansionist or imperialistic United States.
An America that takes all these lands by force or coerced purchase is likely to be seen as a bully across the world. I doubt any of the country's that got their land taken would hold the US in high regard unless it drastically changes its act in later decades.
Britain and Spain would hate us. France probably be fine with the US and like the idea of us weakening Britain. As long as the United States don’t mess with their expansion in Africa and Asia the US and France will be good with each other. Germany when formed would not care what we do in the Western Hemisphere in my opinion. Same could go for Russia and most of powers. Regarding purchasing Greenland, Denmark did offer us Greenland once I think. They have no issue selling us that. Britain would maybe be the only one unwilling to sell its tropical and Caribbean American holdings.
 
Off topic: why are there so many topics about how big the USA could get?

On: the USA would be a superstate that no one can beat. Not even the British Empire. Then again? If there is a massivd expansion there might be a morr hostile relationship between colonial powers and the USA.
It could become a super state or a very unstable nation due to its massive size and population. Imagine the Wild West in a nation like that. But back to your question, I think people talk about this a lot because people see the United States being the most abled to take over all of North America while still being able to integrate most areas into the country. America could have taken all of Mexico in the war when they had invaded them but the question is could they hold on too it all which could be difficult
 
American politics would be interesting to say the least. From the beginning, the focus of the Federal government was to give all the states - big states and small states, free states and slave states - equal representation in Congress. The inclusion of Quebec probably means a fundamentally different approach in order to appease the French Catholics. Conquering Haiti would demand a much earlier dialogue on slavery, a topic the Founding Fathers were keen to avoid. If the slave holding interests get their way and annex Haiti and other Caribbean islands earlier on, and then enslave the population, you might see a civil war between a pro-slavery union and free Northern secessionists, which is a very interesting scenario. This would also include Liberia - how would it be treated by the US government? The European Great Powers, especially Britain, would not be thrilled with a slave-owning nation getting a foothold in Africa.
 
American politics would be interesting to say the least. From the beginning, the focus of the Federal government was to give all the states - big states and small states, free states and slave states - equal representation in Congress. The inclusion of Quebec probably means a fundamentally different approach in order to appease the French Catholics. Conquering Haiti would demand a much earlier dialogue on slavery, a topic the Founding Fathers were keen to avoid. If the slave holding interests get their way and annex Haiti and other Caribbean islands earlier on, and then enslave the population, you might see a civil war between a pro-slavery union and free Northern secessionists, which is a very interesting scenario. This would also include Liberia - how would it be treated by the US government? The European Great Powers, especially Britain, would not be thrilled with a slave-owning nation getting a foothold in Africa.
But the United States have Canadian free states to help balance that out
 
But the United States have Canadian free states to help balance that out
It's also a question of morality - Haiti was a revolutionary nation of freed slaves. If the United States conquered it, pro-slavery advocates would want the population re-enslaved, which would cause a moral outrage in the north. Abolitionism would grow in the north while the south would continue with its expansionist frenzy. The primary cause of the Civil War was the existence of two lobbies - one that fundamentally wanted slavery abolished, and the other that fundamentally wanted slavery protected. Conflict is inevitable between these two groups.
 
It's also a question of morality - Haiti was a revolutionary nation of freed slaves. If the United States conquered it, pro-slavery advocates would want the population re-enslaved, which would cause a moral outrage in the north. Abolitionism would grow in the north while the south would continue with its expansionist frenzy. The primary cause of the Civil War was the existence of two lobbies - one that fundamentally wanted slavery abolished, and the other that fundamentally wanted slavery protected. Conflict is inevitable between these two groups.
The Haitian Revolution might have hurt the abolishment movement greatly. The former slaves tried to wipe out the whole white Haitian population after the revolt at one point and a large number of rapes happened. That did not sit well with white people on both sides of the debate. Because you support abolishment doesn’t mean you support equality. Many abolishment supporters saw blacks as lower beings. Some thought they should have been sent back to Africa after given freedom. Haitian Revolution actually lead to Southern slavery being more brutal out of a fear of a other Haiti. Even abolishment supporters didn’t like the idea of a black ruled nation in the Americas when it first happened. Many abolishment people hated slavery because of economic and political reasons. If your a poor white farmer you hate slavery because it can destroy your chances at making a livelihood out of farming or labor. Many wealthy northerners didn’t like it because gave the slave owner more power and influence. Slavery is morally wrong but many of the supporters of abolishment didn’t have pure or moral reasons for opposing it.
 
Britain and Spain would hate us. France probably be fine with the US and like the idea of us weakening Britain. As long as the United States don’t mess with their expansion in Africa and Asia the US and France will be good with each other. Germany when formed would not care what we do in the Western Hemisphere in my opinion. Same could go for Russia and most of powers. Regarding purchasing Greenland, Denmark did offer us Greenland once I think. They have no issue selling us that. Britain would maybe be the only one unwilling to sell its tropical and Caribbean American holdings.
That really depends on time. If the US were to invade Haiti in 1820 to re-enslave the population, France would certainly have something to say about that and it won't nice, they'd be willing to do a whole "Congress of Vienna vs USA" scenario. That would also be an issue for the US gobbling up nations to impose slavery there. Taking some territory from Mexico (okay, more than "some") but then making a chunk of it a free state and the other a Slave state was one thing. But successive annexations of entire nations only to convert them as slave states, and you ring a lot of bells. Especially when it looks like the US is a form of Napoleon 2.0. How long before the US backs a new French warlord should the French be nice to the US? Could the US survive an entire Europe (even if it's minus France) breathing down its neck while fighting endless guerrilla wars?

The US got extremely lucky in OTL. It would need to be near, if not down right, ASB-ish in this proposed scenario.
 
Actually, I wonder if the existence of a stronger north might lead to an earlier attempt at Southern secession. The non-slave states would be stronger relative to the slave-states.
 
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