A Greater Greece and a Front in The Caucausus and Middle East

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archaeogeek

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This is becoming the usual stuff. Can't we just agree that Greece can't conquer Anatolia without an army of radioactive monkeys?

You'll have to convince the newbie that a single radioactive monkey wouldn't beat ataturk's army of apparently mostly conscripted greeks singlehandedly first :rolleyes:
 
I am not a nationalist to start with...... I am not polite to peole there not polite with me. I know the subject better as I have gone to Phd Degree by now, to some that make claims in just 'because I say so...". Regarding the Armenians, It has been recognise so by the USA Congress, French Parliament and others. If you mean that I ADVOCATE ETHNIC CLEANSING,I surely can not see were you are reading it, and the only thing I can assume, is that you and your budies just tried to play the newby card on me and failed, as you have not present a single fact beside 'I say so'. As such you are desperate and you make personnaly attacks, for no reason which is a policy that well... you know who are using them.

Thank you very much

What I was specifically referring was the fact that this scenario would require ethnic cleansing by Greece on a massive scale. The Armenian Genocide hadn't even come up.

If you seriously believe the posters and moderators of this board are in some kind of conspiracy against you, perhaps this isn't the kind of place you should be posting at.

And what the Greeks did wasn't ethnic cleansing? Reported.

Don't tell people you've reported their posts as though it's scored you some kind of points. It's obnoxious.

Everybody can quit giving CKP non-constructive criticism right now. If you just want to join the dogpile, don't. If this stupid flamewar goes on, I'm closing this thread.
 

CKP

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Well, why it should require ethnic cleansing? Kemal did not had any official mandate from the Turkish people that he claimed to be the successor of the Ottoman empire, while the Sultan the Legal leader was still in power in Istanbul. Now the Turks did ethnic Cleansing after Victory. So in any case we are talking about it. In any respect, any case of discussion before the Yugoslavian Civil war legalize the Ethic cleansing as a problem of war, we are talking of ethic cleansing in one form or another. So in any given case all most all discussions should be closed. I will quote here the reporter of BBC that made the one year series of Alexander the Great. He closed the final episode by stating that Alexander the great in his process of forming his empire, he killed 10% of the world population and sold as slave another 10%. However if he was alive he would say judge me according the moral standards of my time that I used to live, not the one you have today!.

This is indeed a point, we are talking a bout periods that even the use of chemical weapons forbidden straight after the war, was a norm, while in WW II, Both side target deliberately Civilian populations as and USA used twice the Atom bomb. In the case of this thread, the prevailing side would quite possible had undergone an ethnic cleansing policy, as the Turks did. Remember, 1.5 mill Greeks were kicked out the largest refugee movement until the Yugoslavian wars in Europe and close to another million were killed. If Greece had won, yes indeed there is a high percentage of the Greek government proceed to ethnic cleansing. However this is debatable, as the Greek armed forces did not proceed to major high level planned ethnic cleansing while entering Anatolia neither the massive level of refugees fallowed the Turkish counter attack did appeared while the Greek army was advancing. Further, when the final agreement came for the Turks to kick 1,5 million people to Greece, that this came indeed to an agreement of exchange of populations between Turkey and Greece. 500.000 Turks moved from Greece to Turkey in part of the deal.
This proves two things.

One that In Greeks lands that had been liberate from 1912, in 1923 was still living a Turkish population equal to 5 to 10% of the total Greek.

Second considering that the 1.5 mil Greeks that was forced to move to Greece after the 1923 agreement, meant that a large number of Greek refuges that move to Greece through the advance of the Turkish army in 1921 to 1922, is increasing the total number of Greek refuges by several hundred Thousands.


No I don’t believe in conspiracies either. I do believe however in people in Internet and in general that are trying to ridicule and bring down conversations and matters, that they feel that they can not keep up with it.


Like space monkeys for example, That is the first argument I am hearing from the opposing side, and it is so dam solid!!!!!
 

yourworstnightmare

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Well, why it should require ethnic cleansing? Kemal did not had any official mandate from the Turkish people that he claimed to be the successor of the Ottoman empire, while the Sultan the Legal leader was still in power in Istanbul. Now the Turks did ethnic Cleansing after Victory. So in any case we are talking about it. In any respect, any case of discussion before the Yugoslavian Civil war legalize the Ethic cleansing as a problem of war, we are talking of ethic cleansing in one form or another. So in any given case all most all discussions should be closed. I will quote here the reporter of BBC that made the one year series of Alexander the Great. He closed the final episode by stating that Alexander the great in his process of forming his empire, he killed 10% of the world population and sold as slave another 10%. However if he was alive he would say judge me according the moral standards of my time that I used to live, not the one you have today!.

This is indeed a point, we are talking a bout periods that even the use of chemical weapons forbidden straight after the war, was a norm, while in WW II, Both side target deliberately Civilian populations as and USA used twice the Atom bomb. In the case of this thread, the prevailing side would quite possible had undergone an ethnic cleansing policy, as the Turks did. Remember, 1.5 mill Greeks were kicked out the largest refugee movement until the Yugoslavian wars in Europe and close to another million were killed. If Greece had won, yes indeed there is a high percentage of the Greek government proceed to ethnic cleansing. However this is debatable, as the Greek armed forces did not proceed to major high level planned ethnic cleansing while entering Anatolia neither the massive level of refugees fallowed the Turkish counter attack did appeared while the Greek army was advancing. Further, when the final agreement came for the Turks to kick 1,5 million people to Greece, that this came indeed to an agreement of exchange of populations between Turkey and Greece. 500.000 Turks moved from Greece to Turkey in part of the deal.
This proves two things.

One that In Greeks lands that had been liberate from 1912, in 1923 was still living a Turkish population equal to 5 to 10% of the total Greek.

Second considering that the 1.5 mil Greeks that was forced to move to Greece after the 1923 agreement, meant that a large number of Greek refuges that move to Greece through the advance of the Turkish army in 1921 to 1922, is increasing the total number of Greek refuges by several hundred Thousands.


No I don’t believe in conspiracies either. I do believe however in people in Internet and in general that are trying to ridicule and bring down conversations and matters, that they feel that they can not keep up with it.


Like space monkeys for example, That is the first argument I am hearing from the opposing side, and it is so dam solid!!!!!

The Greeks did not want Turks, the Turks did not want Greeks. Both were as active in ethnic cleansing, and the population transfers happened mainly because of this. Please lock this thread.
 

CKP

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The Greeks did not want Turks, the Turks did not want Greeks. Both were as active in ethnic cleansing, and the population transfers happened mainly because of this. Please lock this thread.


I dont think is your threat to lock to start with. And to start with it is not a threat that examines ethnic cleasning as you are trying for a reason to present, is a similar threat to the others talking about an alternative evolution of events.

Jesus, you even have threads talking about Nazis wining the war!
 

CKP

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I did not also talked about Greece occed Turkey. The amount of areas Greece was claiming and are reffered in this thread amount for a 1/4 to 1/3 of what is today Turkey....
 

archaeogeek

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I dont think is your threat to lock to start with. And to start with it is not a threat that examines ethnic cleasning as you are trying for a reason to present, is a similar threat to the others talking about an alternative evolution of events.

Jesus, you even have threads talking about Nazis wining the war!

We don't have threads about the great judeo-bolshevik conspiracy. That's the difference.
 

Leo Caesius

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I dont think is your threat to lock to start with. And to start with it is not a threat that examines ethnic cleasning as you are trying for a reason to present, is a similar threat to the others talking about an alternative evolution of events.

Jesus, you even have threads talking about Nazis wining the war!
Rarely is anyone as emotionally involved in getting a Nazi victory as you plainly are in this Μεγάλη Ιδέα TL of yours, and those that come here hoping to extol the virtues of the Nazis usually get banned rather quickly. Verbum sapienti satis est.
 

Glen

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Burton had to go offline, so I'm stepping in for him.

CKP, I recommend that you go back to the drawing board on the initial premise and make certain that for your next try at this or any timeline that you have multiple, well documented sources, especially if you are trying for something large and controversial.

Also, for our other members, please remember that constructive criticism is more valuable.
 
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